How DOES the grounding boxes work?

[89reksal]

4 minutes ago, marce said:

A few centuries of discoveries in physics and electronics...

 

 And people believed the earth was flat for a lot longer than a few centuries.

[89reksal]

2 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

Further to this: lasker, if indeed the Entreq is affecting the sound in @Cornan‘s system by acting as an antenna, it would do so by capturing radio waves (radio frequency interference, or RFI), then conducting that noise into the ground side of his system through the ground screw to which it’s attached.

 

Is that a clear explanation?

 

Then what's the purpose of the box and it's contents?

[mansr]

15 minutes ago, lasker98 said:

Then what's the purpose of the box and it's contents?

It's to justify the price.

[89reksal]

3 minutes ago, mansr said:

It's to justify the price.

 

if you believe that I truly feel sorry for you.

[pkane2001]

9 minutes ago, lasker98 said:

 

if you believe that I truly feel sorry for you.

lasker, this is not about belief, it's about knowledge. The reason people believed in flat Earth was based on lack of knowledge. Science changed that. Science is why we now know Earth is not flat, and science is why we know that grounding boxes don't work the way they are described, but instead, act as an antenna. You can believe what you want, including that Earth is flat, but that doesn't change reality.

[AJ Soundfield]

1 hour ago, lasker98 said:

Have you presented any plausible explanations?

Yes, but despair causes tunnel vision, blocking out answers and belief does not allow for non-belief.

Some folks will always vainly insist that their purely subjective perceptions are unerring representations of physical reality.

Power bracelets, Santa, electrical litter boxes, etc, etc. All must be real if perceived.

No alternates are allowed, regardless of plausibility. Tis the way of this world.

 

Btw, you seem far more enraged than the OP, who's taking this all in stride. 

[89reksal]

20 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

lasker, this is not about belief, it's about knowledge. The reason people believed in flat Earth was based on lack of knowledge. Science changed that. Science is why we now know Earth is not flat, and science is why we know that grounding boxes don't work the way they are described, but instead, act as an antenna. You can believe what you want, including that Earth is flat, but that doesn't change reality.

 

I'm sure back in the days when people believed the earth was flat and someone at the local watering hole brought up the possibility that the earth wasn't flat, your ancestor was right there telling them that all science proves that the earth is flat. 

 

Gimme a frickin' break with these responses. Does anyone know if the term "know-it-all" is derived from the Latin word "noitall"? Reminds me of the Groucho Marx song "Whatever It Is, I'm Against It".

[89reksal]

7 minutes ago, AJ Soundfield said:

Btw, you seem far more enraged than the OP, who's taking this all in stride.

 

 Unfortunately, I have a low tolerance for ignorance. Believe me, that tolerance has been stretched to the limits by this back and forth.

 

I see why the usual suspects in these threads all have such high post counts.

[AJ Soundfield]

6 minutes ago, lasker98 said:

Unfortunately, I have a low tolerance for ignorance.

Excellent. There was a link earlier for learning high school level physics that teaches about very basics of electricity, like what ground is, potential difference, current flow, etc, etc.

That would go such a long way to correcting all the misunderstandings in this thread and many, many others.

Good luck sir.

[pkane2001]

1 minute ago, lasker98 said:

 

I'm sure back in the days when people believed the earth was flat and someone at the local watering hole brought up the possibility that the earth wasn't flat, your ancestor was right there telling them that all science proves that the earth is flat. 

 

Gimme a frickin' break with these responses. Does anyone know if the term "know-it-all" is derived from the Latin word "noitall"?

There are two schools of thoughts: one based on belief, another based on science. You are attacking folks based on your belief system, while most of the conversation in this thread has been about scientific explanation for what these boxes might or might not do. It's clear that you don't subscribe to the scientific approach. There's really not much to discuss, since I don't share your belief system and you have no other explanation to contribute.

[marce]

28 minutes ago, lasker98 said:

 

if you believe that I truly feel sorry for you.

Don't its true, though in this case the discoverer (who admits no real electronics experience) probably doesn't know either, just believes they work as its all based on the MYTH that mother earth/Ground wotever is an infinite sink for noise. So its a component designed by someone with no electronic experience based on misguided myths.

[89reksal]

1 minute ago, pkane2001 said:

There are two schools of thoughts: one based on belief, another based on science. You are attacking folks based on your belief system, while most of the conversation in this thread has been about scientific explanation for what these boxes might or might not do. It's clear that you don't subscribe to the scientific approach. There's really not much to discuss, since I don't share your belief system and you have no other explanation to contribute.

 

Finally, progress. You're right and I'm wrong. That makes everything so much clearer.

[pkane2001]

Just now, lasker98 said:

 

Finally, progress. You're right and I'm wrong. That makes everything so much clearer.

Not what I said. I said we have a different approach. We'll never agree on any details, since we are approaching the subject from completely different perspectives.

[marce]

9 minutes ago, lasker98 said:

 

 Unfortunately, I have a low tolerance for ignorance. Believe me, that tolerance has been stretched to the limits by this back and forth.

 

I see why the usual suspects in these threads all have such high post counts.

Yours is probably one of the highest, your recent posts have destroyed the conversation that was going on quite amicably, you have lowered the tone of the thread and in doing so proved yourself to what you are accusing other of. I presume you get some thrill for derailing an amicable thread, going totally of topic and waving your hands around booing!

[89reksal]

2 minutes ago, marce said:

Don't its true, though in this case the discoverer (who admits no real electronics experience) probably doesn't know either, just believes they work as its all based on the MYTH that mother earth/Ground wotever is an infinite sink for noise. So its a component designed by someone with no electronic experience based on misguided myths.

 

I highly doubt the OP would have had to start this thread if he believed the explanation from the discoverer so I don't think you're telling anyone anything new. One known fact is that there are years of satisfied customers using these products. So that leads me to believe you're assuming all these people are wrong, misguided, delusional, etc., and you, who have no first hand experience with the product, are right? And I'm the one dealing in mis-guided myths?

 

But I guess that's how science works nowadays. No need to perform any actual experiments. I believe in science. I know all there is to know. next topic please.

[89reksal]

14 minutes ago, marce said:

Yours is probably one of the highest, your recent posts have destroyed the conversation that was going on quite amicably, you have lowered the tone of the thread and in doing so proved yourself to what you are accusing other of. I presume you get some thrill for derailing an amicable thread, going totally of topic and waving your hands around booing!

 

 I believe other than the antenna theory, I'm the only one in 22 pages of posts to post a possible theory. It may be wrong but at least I tried. Unlike most others.

 

"Yours is probably one of the highest" . 518 posts in over 6 years is one of the highest?

[89reksal]

11 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

Not what I said. I said we have a different approach. We'll never agree on any details, since we are approaching the subject from completely different perspectives.

 

Point taken. My apologies.

[The Computer Audiophile]

Take a breather everyone. Nobody is saving babies or killing puppies.

 

We also aren't coming up with the next AES standard to be used by all manufacturers for decades. We are talking about products that increase or decrease our enjoyment of a great hobby. 

 

If someone thinks these boxes help and doesn't want to accept another person's opinion or facts, that's life. 

If someone thinks these boxes can't possibly work, that's life.

If someone is being unreasonable, that's life. 

 

You don't have to get the last word.

You don't have to prove anything.

You don't have to save anyone from themselves.

 

If you've spent considerable time trying to help explain the facts, I applaud you and thank you for your continued contributions. Seriously. I've learned so much from everyone here. I'm frequently bummed out by how little I actually know. Fortunately, your time spent isn't wasted because the answers remain for everyone to view and find via search engines. Keep in mind that less than 1% of CA readers actually post in the forum. Your comments are mostly for the 99% who come here to read (I'm frequently told by readers that they have nothing to offer so they don't post).  

 

 

[kumakuma]

9 minutes ago, lasker98 said:

 

 I believe other than the antenna theory, I'm the only one in 22 pages of posts to post a possible theory. It may be wrong but at least I tried. Unlike most others.

 

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[89reksal]

1 minute ago, kumakuma said:

 

Unfortunately folks that actually known the science at work here and who deal with these issues professionally have told you that your theory makes no sense.

 

Where I have a big problem is "my theory" (that somehow the box is adjusting the voltage of the ground plane) makes no sense at all, yet the theory that "it's an antenna" (the wire is picking up airborne noise and somehow injecting that back into the component and the box itself is only there as a way to get more money out of customers) is all the explanation we need. I know what theory makes more sense to me.

[kumakuma]

16 minutes ago, lasker98 said:

 

Where I have a big problem is "my theory" (that somehow the box is adjusting the voltage of the ground plane) makes no sense at all, yet the theory that "it's an antenna" (the wire is picking up airborne noise and somehow injecting that back into the component and the box itself is only there as a way to get more money out of customers) is all the explanation we need. I know what theory makes more sense to me.

 

You added the part in bold to my words. I never said this.

 

I simply said that the antenna theory is the only one that fits the facts presented.

 

I have no idea whether or not the makers of this product believe their own explanation of how it works or if they are consciously trying to scam anyone.

 

It is quite possible that they simply noticed the same euphonic effect that the OP noticed and the explanation provided is simply their theory as to why it works.

[89reksal]

29 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

You added the part in bold to my words. I never said this.

 

I simply said that the antenna theory is the only one that fits the facts presented.

 

I have no idea whether or not the makers of this product believe their own explanation of how it works or if they are consciously trying to scam anyone.

 

It is quite possible that they simply noticed the same euphonic effect that the OP noticed and the explanation provided is simply their theory as to why it works.

 

I never said or meant to imply those were your words. You hadn't said anything about any theory in your deleted post other than "your theory", which I took to mean my theory, so I'm not sure why you would think I was referring to you with that bold part.

[kumakuma]

5 minutes ago, lasker98 said:

 

I never said or meant to imply those were your words. You hadn't said anything about any theory in your deleted post other than "your theory", which I took to mean my theory, so I'm not sure why you would think I was referring to you with that bold part.

 

I am more interested in your thoughts on the rest of my post as I believe it reconciles the antenna theory with your belief that manufacturer is acting in good faith.

[Fokus]

2 hours ago, lasker98 said:

 

 And people believed the earth was flat for a lot longer than a few centuries.

 

Ever heard of Eratosthenes? Hint, this was a bloke who lived 2200 years ago. 

[89reksal]

43 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

I have no idea whether or not the makers of this product believe their own explanation of how it works or if they are consciously trying to scam anyone.

 

I have no idea either. I will say I consider the possibility of intentionally scamming to be pretty remote. Definitely possible but just hard for me to believe as a most likely explanation.

 

47 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

It is quite possible that they simply noticed the same euphonic effect that the OP noticed and the explanation provided is simply their theory as to why it works

 

I agree although I'm assuming there's no negative connotation meant by "euphonic".