SACD Ripping using an Oppo or Pioneer? Yes, it's true!

[lordvader]

8 hours ago, CatManDo said:

 

Can you play the SACD layer on hybrid discs, by switching manually to it?

 

SHM-SACDs are single layer, so the player can only play (and rip) the SACD part, but with hybrids you can choose the layer.

 

My BDP-170 managed to rip hundreds of hybrid SACDs, but with a few discs, I needed to open/close the tray a few times before the player finally recognized it as an SACD and not a CD.

 

Failing to read hybrid SACDs is also a common problem of many SACD players (related to the laser), so it could be that your player has a hardware problem.

 

No. The front display always says CD, no matter how many times I eject, reinsert the tray. Pressing that CD/SACD button on the remote does nothing.

 

So... I have a dud?

[mlknez]

1 hour ago, MikeyFresh said:

 

Post #4426.

 

Thank you for the reply.  I tried using that version of SACD_extract.  I have some SACD .iso files that hang at 99% when extracting .dsf files.  The source .iso files play just fine on jriver 25.  Anyone have this issue?  Any fixes?

[james_joyce]

On 10/3/2019 at 3:28 PM, lordvader said:

 

No. The front display always says CD, no matter how many times I eject, reinsert the tray. Pressing that CD/SACD button on the remote does nothing.

 

So... I have a dud?

 

Most likely. When the laser to laser goes bad in SACD players the usual symptom is it can't read the SACD layer on discs that play fine in other players. Although in theory the laser is replaceable.

 

[B&WQuad]

It noticed that MAC OS Catalina 10.15.1 broke the java script from Sonore iso2dsd_gui.jar. MAC refuses to run the .jar as it can not check for malware. Any new of what to do? I use it with my OPPO 105 and it works fine until now.

[pl_svn]

use terminal

 

- create, on your Mac, a folder where you want your rips to end up

- place "sacd_extract" (the very same file that's on the USB stick) inside it

- launch Terminal, type "cd /Users/paolo/Music/SACD_rips" and hit "enter"

(modify accordingly to your username and to where your folder is. mine is called "SACD_rips" and it's inside "Music"

- then tipe "./sacd_extract -i 10.0.1.43:2002 -I" (use your Oppo's IP instead of 10.0.1.43) and hit enter if you want to rip to ISO or...

- type "./sacd_extract -i 10.0.1.43:2002 -2 -s" and hit enter if you want to rip to DSF

- ...

- ...

- ...

- job done!

 

 

I never bothered installing java nor even just touching iso2DSD 😛

 

[B&WQuad]

21 hours ago, pl_svn said:

use terminal

 

- create, on your Mac, a folder where you want your rips to end up

- place "sacd_extract" (the very same file that's on the USB stick) inside it

- launch Terminal, type "cd /Users/paolo/Music/SACD_rips" and hit "enter"

(modify accordingly to your username and to where your folder is. mine is called "SACD_rips" and it's inside "Music"

- then tipe "./sacd_extract -i 10.0.1.43:2002 -I" (use your Oppo's IP instead of 10.0.1.43) and hit enter if you want to rip to ISO or...

- type "./sacd_extract -i 10.0.1.43:2002 -2 -s" and hit enter if you want to rip to DSF

- ...

- ...

- ...

- job done!

 

 

I never bothered installing java nor even just touching iso2DSD 😛

 

I try to make it work but sacd_extract is refused by terminal.

 

[pl_svn]

please post a screenshot of the folder with its content and one of the Terminal window with the commands you typed and resulting error

[MikeyFresh]

1 hour ago, B&WQuad said:

I try to make it work but sacd_extract is refused by terminal.

 

You can make the JRE work on Catalina, probably best to uninstall the one you have and then install the latest version. There is mention of this on the Java help page:

https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/using-jdk-jre-macos-catalina-5781620.html

[B&WQuad]

On 10/31/2019 at 6:18 PM, pl_svn said:

please post a screenshot of the folder with its content and one of the Terminal window with the commands you typed and resulting error

Thanks, I solved the problem simply by pressing the CTRL button during the launch of the .jar (not to mix-up with the CMD button). Seems to solve the issue in Catalina

[Mike6f]

I just stumbled over this topic after what must be years of poking around the edges looking for an old playstation, but not quite remembering what it was I needed to remember about them. I own two SACD discs and one player, Denon 3910, and what has held me back to some extent is the inflexibility due to Sony insanity with SACD protection, preventing me from playing my content conveniently or on any device I wanted in full fidelity.

 

I found a Sony BDP S5100 not too far away, so it's the most likely one for me to buy after going through the March list of players showing up on ebay, but for sake of paranoia, other than the Oppo priced units, what is the best one?

 

Those of you who only use the player for ripping, do you leave it powered or all the way off, unplugged or switched off at the AC outlet?

 

Thanks for all the great information.

[snafu_]

3 hours ago, Mike6f said:

I just stumbled over this topic after what must be years of poking around the edges looking for an old playstation, but not quite remembering what it was I needed to remember about them. I own two SACD discs and one player, Denon 3910, and what has held me back to some extent is the inflexibility due to Sony insanity with SACD protection, preventing me from playing my content conveniently or on any device I wanted in full fidelity.

 

I found a Sony BDP S5100 not too far away, so it's the most likely one for me to buy after going through the March list of players showing up on ebay, but for sake of paranoia, other than the Oppo priced units, what is the best one?

 

Those of you who only use the player for ripping, do you leave it powered or all the way off, unplugged or switched off at the AC outlet?

 

Thanks for all the great information.

I bought a Sony BDP-S590 for something like $40 on ebay. 

Eventually, with the help of the people from this forum I was able to get it to reliably rip my SACD collection.

I think a lot of new users had a similar experience with the one I had - which was it is likely to take a bit of fiddling and experimentation to get it all working. But, it's absolutely worth the trouble. 

Sounds like you are like me, as initially I only had a few SACD discs. But since I can now rip them, I've bought more.

 

Myself, I keep the S590 unplugged and only power it on when I need to rip a disc.

 

Use the post here that has links to the files you'll need.

 

[tmtomh]

12 minutes ago, snafu_ said:

I bought a Sony BDP-S590 for something like $40 on ebay. 

Eventually, with the help of the people from this forum I was able to get it to reliably rip my SACD collection.

I think a lot of new users had a similar experience with the one I had - which was it is likely to take a bit of fiddling and experimentation to get it all working. But, it's absolutely worth the trouble. 

Sounds like you are like me, as initially I only had a few SACD discs. But since I can now rip them, I've bought more.

 

Myself, I keep the S590 unplugged and only power it on when I need to rip a disc.

 

Use the post here that has links to the files you'll need.

 

 

I agree with this and had a very similar experience: I got a 590 (or I think the 510 - the Wal-Mart equivalent) off eBay for about $30. It was a lot more fiddly to set up than my prior solution (my Oppo BDP-105), and I did need some help from folk here. But once I'd ironed out the initial kinks, it was super easy and 100% reliable. 

 

I did keep mine plugged in, because I use the "sleep method," and so keeping it plugged in allowed me to skip the step of having to insert the USB stick each time I wanted to rip an SACD: as long as the unit is connected to power, the SACD-ripping executable (app) from the USB stick will stay loaded in the Sony player's memory, so you can pretty much just use it as if it were a mythical computer SACD optical drive: just press the Open/Eject button, put the disc on the tray, then press the Power button to close the tray and put the unit to sleep, making it ready for ripping via one's computer.

[Mike6f]

Compared to my current trial of installing windows on an old PC, playing with the old Sony sounds like fun.

 

What an irony it would be if the easy ability to rip SACD restarted general interest in the format.

[B&WQuad]

What is the news on new developments on ripping SACD's (like new players capable to use the Sonore software). I use my OPPO105 for a lot of things currently, but one day I will replace it. I am afraid that I have keep the OPPO 105 solely for purpose of ripping new SACD's I buy (like SACD make for Old famous albums from Japan).

[MikeyFresh]

7 hours ago, B&WQuad said:

What is the news on new developments on ripping SACD's (like new players capable to use the Sonore software). I use my OPPO105 for a lot of things currently, but one day I will replace it. I am afraid that I have keep the OPPO 105 solely for purpose of ripping new SACD's I buy (like SACD make for Old famous albums from Japan).

 

The list of compatible models was updated last spring to include 3 additional ARMv7 based Sony units.

 

For ripping over a network using a GUI, mindset's SACDExtractGUI tool (in conjunction with sacd_extract 3.9) has supplanted the venerable ISO2DSD as state-of-the-art, circa fall 2018.

[Mike6f]

As an old computer software person the idea of telnetting into a modern consumer device because it runs on some incantation of Linux puts a smile on my face, and would tempt me had I fewer irons already in the fire to play with all the similar devices I could get my hands on. Is the telnet loophole firmly closed on all of the newer devices?

 

Today or tomorrow I hope to pick up the Sony 5100 I found locally, which is supposed to be in fine shape, but these seem for the most part average midfi gear that isn't designed for a long life. I guess time will tell.

[MikeyFresh]

1 hour ago, Mike6f said:

Is the telnet loophole firmly closed on all of the newer devices?

 

It's not just a Telnet loophole, though that was the original breakthrough. The process works without Telnet, and more recently with the advent of AutoRip, it doesn't even require a network at all, the ripped tracks can be written to the very same USB flash drive that runs the initial script.

 

1 hour ago, Mike6f said:

Today or tomorrow I hope to pick up the Sony 5100 I found locally, which is supposed to be in fine shape, but these seem for the most part average midfi gear that isn't designed for a long life. I guess time will tell.

 

Indeed, I bought several units for redundancy, though I also managed to repair a sold as dead S7200 that auctioned for all of $9.99 due to it's non-working condition. The replacement optical drive was a $14 part, and now it works fine again.

[Waynefi]

Is there any current concerns about Sony sending out new firmware, that would prevent using these various units to backup my SACD's ? Are there any settings to prevent this ?

 

Thanks,

Wayne

[Mike6f]

They could, and they might, but I don't think its likely unless the copyright holders made a big fuss, not just Sony on its own. Even if Sony did, it would just put the Pioneer units in greater demand.

 

While I am not worried, I don't think I will be leaving my Sony on while not in use for ripping, or giving it access to other than specific sites on the internet, if thats reasonable.

 

Biggest point I would make is that having a few old systems out that can rip SACD may be good for SACD in general.

 

Worse case, it is a big wild internet, and somebody someplace will have ISO files.

[Mike6f]

I picked up the Sony S5100 I found on craigslist today, looks mint with remote, so as soon as I find a spare thumb drive I will be off and ripping.

[Redbeemer]

12 hours ago, Waynefi said:

Is there any current concerns about Sony sending out new firmware, that would prevent using these various units to backup my SACD's ? Are there any settings to prevent this ?

 

Thanks,

Wayne

If I recall correctly, Kal Rubinson of Stereophile, spoke to Sony representatives when he first became aware that certain Oppo, Sony, and Pioneer players could rip SACD's.  They indicated to him they had no problem with users ripping their own SACD's for backup and to play on other devices such as streamers and digital music players (such as their own HAPZ-1ES).  I believe Kal posted the above somewhere earlier in this thread.

[lordvader]

And to be realistic - most of these players are fairly old.
Sony and Pioneer wouldn't bother putting time and resources in "supporting" these old players.

[Mike6f]

Its easy for us as DIY hobbyists to vastly underestimate the time and cost that even a tiny change to a consumer scale product could be. Sony could make the change perfectly, and due to the numbers involved some percentage will by chance croak after the update. Getting close to perfect might mean several days of a team reviewing what the old code did plus testing any change on machines they might no longer have. It could be cheaper for Sony to just buy all the old players that show up on ebay etc., or offer some kind of trade in deal on a newer player.

[RolandGo]

On 10/30/2019 at 7:29 PM, B&WQuad said:

It noticed that MAC OS Catalina 10.15.1 broke the java script from Sonore iso2dsd_gui.jar. MAC refuses to run the .jar as it can not check for malware. Any new of what to do? I use it with my OPPO 105 and it works fine until now.

 

I have a similar problem: The SACDExtractGUI.jar runs in Catalina, but trying to rip a SACD always gives the error message "sacd_extract doesn't exist or not executable". The newest said_extract is in the specified folder (same as SACDExtractGUI.jar), so that can't be it.

[MikeyFresh]

47 minutes ago, RolandGo said:

 

I have a similar problem: The SACDExtractGUI.jar runs in Catalina, but trying to rip a SACD always gives the error message "sacd_extract doesn't exist or not executable". The newest said_extract is in the specified folder (same as SACDExtractGUI.jar), so that can't be it.

 

I believe the fix there involves you designating it a worthy UNIX executable, and that's done in Utilities -> Terminal.

Open Terminal, then type the following command:

chmod +x

Followed by a single space after the above code. Then just drag and drop the sacd_extract file onto the Terminal window, at which point it will automatically fill in/populate the file path/name. Press Enter.

Thats all, you can now close Terminal.

You should now have a Unix executable with which you can rip your SACDs...