Article: Streaming & Local Content Through HQPlayer - A Nice Alternative With The sonicTransporter

[The Computer Audiophile]

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[Marcin_gps]

Chris, thank you 🙏

[The Computer Audiophile]

30 minutes ago, Marcin_gps said:

Chris, thank you 🙏

Hi Marcin, I've told you personally and I'll tell everyone here, the JPLAY app for iOS is fantastic. It's a game changer for UPnP/DLNA. It makes UPnP/DLNA a viable option for everyone now. It's actually great competition for Roon, which is really needed. Competition produces better results for consumers and this is one example. 

 

Nice work @Marcin_gps

[DuckToller]

Hi Chris,

thank you for this interesting article. Looking for Roon alternative option for a while, but rather Windows/Linux/ Android based.

If I understand correctly, you offered two ways of installing the "basics" (HQP emb/Minimserver2), using off-the-shelf hardware/software from SGC (perhaps not really OtS,  though different from homebuild music server many members may already have) or an Linux installation on existing hardware.
Q: Is there an image of the SO software available for installation on existing hardware?
 

You described BubbleUPnP as a prerequisite for using Lumin software, I have heard that Minimserver and Lumin work quite well together.
Q: Perhaps this is only the case if you have Lumin hardware intergrated?
The playstore info for Lumin's Android App isn't really encouraging., I'd noticed.

Q: Is there a reasonable controlpoint software alternative outside the IOS environment, perhaps on Android ?


 

[jiminlogansquare]

Chris, this is great! Thanks for working this out for us. I was able very quickly to get Qobuz streaming to HQPe on my sonic Transporter, using the mconnect app. Works great, sounds great. I don’t mind living in (this version of) 1998 until JPLAY for iOS is released! Roon is now relegated to the mono networked speakers in my living room, kitchen and spare bedroom. Since I have a lifetime Roon license, I am fine with that limited use for Roon. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 hour ago, DuckToller said:

Hi Chris,

thank you for this interesting article. Looking for Roon alternative option for a while, but rather Windows/Linux/ Android based.

If I understand correctly, you offered two ways of installing the "basics" (HQP emb/Minimserver2), using off-the-shelf hardware/software from SGC (perhaps not really OtS,  though different from homebuild music server many members may already have) or an Linux installation on existing hardware.
Q: Is there an image of the SO software available for installation on existing hardware?
 

You described BubbleUPnP as a prerequisite for using Lumin software, I have heard that Minimserver and Lumin work quite well together.
Q: Perhaps this is only the case if you have Lumin hardware intergrated?
The playstore info for Lumin's Android App isn't really encouraging., I'd noticed.

Q: Is there a reasonable controlpoint software alternative outside the IOS environment, perhaps on Android ?


 

 

Hi Tom, yes, there is an image from @Miska (link). it can run off a thumb drive or you can install it to an SSD/NVMe like I do. Then you'd need to put a DLNA server on something else because this image can't really be altered without major effort. 

 

BubbleUPnP makes the Rygel / HQPe renderer appear in the Lumin app. MinimServer always appears in the Lumin app and other apps. 

 

Others will have to chime in on a control point for Android. When my last Android tablet and phone died, I never replaced them. I need to do that though. 

 

@Ran do you know of a good Android control point?

[Ran]

19 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

@Ran do you know of a good Android control point?

 

BubbleUPnP - This is the Swiss Army knife of all DLNA / Chromecast / OpenHome apps (May be too complicated for beginners)

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bubblesoft.android.bubbleupnp

Fidata - Works well with DLNA & OpenHome but no streaming services

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.iodata.fidata

 

Lumin - Supports OpenHome as well as Tidal / Qobuz 

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.luminmusic.lumincontroller

Hi-Fi Cast - Works well with DLNA no streaming services

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.findhdmusic.app.upnpcast

 

Kazoo - Supports OpenHome as well as Tidal / Qobuz 

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=uk.co.linn.kazoo2

Mconnect -  Supports DLNA & Chromecast as well as Tidal / Qobuz

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.conversdigitalpaid

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, Ran said:

 

BubbleUPnP - This is the Swiss Army knife of all DLNA / Chromecast / OpenHome apps (May be too complicated for beginners)

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bubblesoft.android.bubbleupnp

Fidata - Works well with DLNA & OpenHome but no streaming services

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.iodata.fidata

 

Lumin - Supports OpenHome as well as Tidal / Qobuz 

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.luminmusic.lumincontroller

Hi-Fi Cast - Works well with DLNA no streaming services

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.findhdmusic.app.upnpcast

 

Kazoo - Supports OpenHome as well las Tidal / Qobuz 

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=uk.co.linn.kazoo2

Mconnect -  Supports DLNA & Chromecast as well as Tidal / Qobuz

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.conversdigitalpaid

Thanks!

[DuckToller]

22 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Hi Tom, yes, there is an image from @Miska (link). it can run off a thumb drive or you can install it to an SSD/NVMe like I do. Then you'd need to put a DLNA server on something else because this image can't really be altered without major effort. 

Thank you for the reply, Chris !
I've meant to ask if there is an image of the Sonic Transporter software (for Intel boards), but I typed SO instead ST, which may have provoked som misunderstanding. Possibly with a license fee ?
Did you use the SGC i9 with local storage only or as well with your QNAP NAS as media source ?
Thanks, Tom

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, DuckToller said:

Thank you for the reply, Chris !
I've meant to ask if there is an image of the Sonic Transporter software (for Intel boards), but I typed SO instead ST, which may have provoked som misunderstanding. Possibly with a license fee ?
Did you use the SGC i9 with local storage only or as well with your QNAP NAS as media source ?
Thanks, Tom

Ah, no worries. 

 

I don't believe there are images of sT anymore. 

 

I had the i9 with internal storage. I also connected it to my NAS as a test. Works well. 

[Cebolla]

The Squeezebox Server (Logitech Media Server) on the sonicTransporter should also make a good Roon alternative & work with HQPe (via the UPnP/DLNA Bridge LMS plugin):

 

 

@Miska also mentioned that someone managed to get HQPe gapless working with it (but gapless would likely not work with MinimServer):

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/30983-hqplayer-linux-desktop-and-hqplayer-embedded/?do=findComment&comment=1112294

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, Cebolla said:

The Squeezebox Server (Logitech Media Server) on the sonicTransporter should also make a good Roon alternative & work with HQPe (via the UPnP/DLNA Bridge LMS plugin):

 

 

@Miska also mentioned that someone managed to get HQPe gapless working with it (but gapless would likely not work with MinimServer):

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/30983-hqplayer-linux-desktop-and-hqplayer-embedded/?do=findComment&comment=1112294

Which control app do you recommend for a setup using LMS?

[Cebolla]

LMS's built-in web browser controller, enhanced by the Material Skin and the Music & Artist Information LMS plugins.

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, Cebolla said:

LMS's built-in web browser controller, enhanced by the Material Skin and the Music & Artist Information LMS plugins.

Ah. That’s a no-go for me. Happy that others enjoy it though. 

[Cebolla]

The iPeng app is supposed to be the go to controller for LMS on iOS - no idea if the Music & Artist Information LMS plugin works with it though, as I only have Android handheld devices.

 

Fortunately, for those of us using Android, the Material Skin plugin's developer has also provided a webview wrapper app for a seamless web browser controller:

https://github.com/CDrummond/lms-material-app/releases

[bibo01]

Is there going to be an Android version of JPlay app? @Marcin_gps

@The Computer AudiophileWould BubbleUPNP control HQPembedded and MinimServer with no gapless?

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 hour ago, bibo01 said:

Would BubbleUPNP control HQPembedded and MinimServer with no gapless?

I’m not sure as I’d have to test on Android and both my tablet and Pixel phone are dead. 

[bibo01]

17 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I’m not sure as I’d have to test on Android and both my tablet and Pixel phone are dead. 

Thanks.

I hope @stefano_mbp intervenes in this discussion because he also had a lot of experience in Embedded/MinimServer/gapless, contacting both developers about it and son on...

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, bibo01 said:

Thanks.

I hope @stefano_mbp intervenes in this discussion because he also had a lot of experience in Embedded/MinimServer/gapless, contacting both developers about it and son on...

That would be great!

[bobfa]

3 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Which control app do you recommend for a setup using LMS?

I am using iPeng and I am really happy with it.  I understand that Orange Squeeze works well on android.  I will have to try it this week.  I will demo some of this soon!  Maybe on YouTube live.

 

There is also an app for ipad called “Squeezepad” that feels pretty good.

 

 

You can also install Jivelite on the endpoints and use a touch screen… (GEEKY hardware alert)

[botrytis]

Orange Squeeze is a nice product. I use it with my Daphile system.

[The Computer Audiophile]

6 minutes ago, botrytis said:

Orange Squeeze is a nice product. I use it with my Daphile system.

Update Daphile for the ZeroTier vulnerability. 

[So great]

Why I couldn't find Jplay in app store from iphone or ipad? Did it release?

[Marcin_gps]

12 hours ago, Ran said:

 

BubbleUPnP - This is the Swiss Army knife of all DLNA / Chromecast / OpenHome apps (May be too complicated for beginners)

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bubblesoft.android.bubbleupnp

Fidata - Works well with DLNA & OpenHome but no streaming services

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.iodata.fidata

 

Lumin - Supports OpenHome as well as Tidal / Qobuz 

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.luminmusic.lumincontroller

Hi-Fi Cast - Works well with DLNA no streaming services

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.findhdmusic.app.upnpcast

 

Kazoo - Supports OpenHome as well as Tidal / Qobuz 

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=uk.co.linn.kazoo2

Mconnect -  Supports DLNA & Chromecast as well as Tidal / Qobuz

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.conversdigitalpaid

Only Bubble UPnP & Mconnect have full Tidal/Qobuz implementation. Other options will not work with Tidal/Qobuz if renderer doesn't support Tidal/Qobuz. 

 

A workaround is using BubbleUPnP server between control point and renderer. 

[Marcin_gps]

9 hours ago, bibo01 said:

Is there going to be an Android version of JPlay app? @Marcin_gps

@The Computer AudiophileWould BubbleUPNP control HQPembedded and MinimServer with no gapless?

Android version is not planned at the moment. JPLAY app is a native iOS app which is why it works so smooth.