MQA The Truth lies Somewhere in the Middle

[Shadders]

This is the MQA mob outside the venue lecture :

[mansr]

5 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

What was loudest was hardly convincing and very helpful to me.

It doesn't need to be convincing. People hear, and believe, whatever is repeated frequently and loudly, especially if it comes from a perceived authority. Moreover, the MQA claims are simple to process mentally. The debunking is technically involved and takes effort to understand. Most people are lazy and thus believe the simple claims. Have you never seen an election campaign?

[Brinkman Ship]

8 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

Were threads torched or were the MQA reps torched?I just got back from Denver.

threads...

 

but in the threads the reps were raked over the coals with one or two Defenders...one was enamored with the “excellent “ Scoggins article.

[PorkChop]

22 minutes ago, Shadders said:

This is the MQA mob outside the venue lecture :

 

Couldn't be - way too much diversity of age, race, and gender in that photo. ?

[crenca]

28 minutes ago, Brinkman Ship said:

threads...

 

but in the threads the reps were raked over the coals with one or two Defenders...one was enamored with the “excellent “ Scoggins article.

 

Is Hoffman a place where MQA has some traction normally?

[Brinkman Ship]

22 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

Is Hoffman a place where MQA has some traction normally?

it is shill nest...most threads get deep sixed when the facts are pointed out...one thread seems to survive..about MQA CD..good number shill plants there. Oh Scoggins “article” thread too because he is protected there.

[hvbias]

http://stereocentral.freeforums.net/

 

If you want to know the extent of what goes on at the SH forums. Warning it can be very vulgar (people can be quite bitter ?), I don't read it unless I posted in a thread that was nuked (ie the MQA thread) to see what happened.

[Rt66indierock]

2 hours ago, Brinkman Ship said:

threads...

 

but in the threads the reps were raked over the coals with one or two Defenders...one was enamored with the “excellent “ Scoggins article.

 

Steve Hoffman doesn't like controversy on his site and even though he hates MQA he doesn't want threads about it.

[Brinkman Ship]

8 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

Steve Hoffman doesn't like controversy on his site and even though he hates MQA he doesn't want threads about it.

..how do you know he hates MQA?

[Rt66indierock]

2 hours ago, mansr said:

It doesn't need to be convincing. People hear, and believe, whatever is repeated frequently and loudly, especially if it comes from a perceived authority. Moreover, the MQA claims are simple to process mentally. The debunking is technically involved and takes effort to understand. Most people are lazy and thus believe the simple claims. Have you never seen an election campaign?

 

I have a simple message that seems to work especially face to face. As for election campaigns I've run for a state wide office and won. And influenced public policy a couple times at the city level. 

[Rt66indierock]

Just now, Brinkman Ship said:

..how do you know he hates MQA?

 

I know Steve Hoffman and he told me.

[Brinkman Ship]

1 minute ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

I know Steve Hoffman and he told me.

..good to know.

[Rt66indierock]

1 hour ago, crenca said:

 

Is Hoffman a place where MQA has some traction normally?

 

Nope there are lot of anti MQA folks there. Some really helpful guys like Agitator  who recently did a listening test.

 

[mansr]

4 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

I have a simple message that seems to work especially face to face.

And what is that?

[Rt66indierock]

Just now, mansr said:

And what is that?

 

No music

It doesn't sound better

The industry and audio press are trying to churn you to buy new equipment

 

Then if necessary I say it is bad for artists and studios

 

[Brinkman Ship]

6 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

Nope there are lot of anti MQA folks there. Some really helpful guys like Agitator  who recently did a listening test.

 

Agitiator is a great poster.

[Rt66indierock]

2 minutes ago, Brinkman Ship said:

Agitiator is a great poster.

 

Love the bottom. I actually met him Saturday night. I'm off camera to the right and thought about saying stuff in the seminar but if people are going to take it to crazy I'm going to let them, if they are going to shoot themselves in the foot I'm going to give them bullets and if I want to embarrass someone I give them a microphone and let them speak. The stuff in the video is priceless.

[Brinkman Ship]

3 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

Love the bottom. I actually met him Saturday night. I'm off camera to the right and thought about saying stuff in the seminar but if people are going to take it to crazy I'm going to let them, if they are going to shoot themselves in the foot I'm going to give them bullets and if I want to embarrass someone I give them a microphone and let them speak. The stuff in the video is priceless.

Yes, give 'em enough rope..

 

Most are saying that the behaviour in the video did as much damage to MQA as many of the threads, expose pieces, and professional negative opinions. As they say, a picture is worth a 1000 words,

[mansr]

15 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

It doesn't sound better

But Bob says... He wouldn't lie to us, would he?

[Rt66indierock]

12 minutes ago, mansr said:

But Bob says... He wouldn't lie to us, would he?

 

Well I was in the same row at the Los Angeles Audio Show seminar in 2017 when he was. 

 

The better question is who has any incentive in the audio industry to tell the truth? It's as bad as the golf industry, everything will give you 10 extra yards. Not 6 not 12 you get the idea.

 

 

 

[Rt66indierock]

20 minutes ago, Brinkman Ship said:

Yes, give 'em enough rope..

 

Most are saying that the behaviour in the video did as much damage to MQA as many of the threads, expose pieces, and professional negative opinions. As they say, a picture is worth a 1000 words,

 

It's more they are under continuous pressure and their behavior showed it.  

[mansr]

Any activity on their Facebook group?

[Derek Hughes]

On 9/18/2018 at 5:16 PM, Rt66indierock said:

Our own Chris Connaker will lead this discussion Sunday afternoon at RMAF. Time get that list together of the cons, cost and claims made. 

To all

I've watched the video and all I can say is that unless you were there you got about 10% of the audience participation, ask Lee Scoggins and Rajiv. That's the fault of all of us, the moderator, me, the audience and the camera and mic folks.  Chris did his best in a very difficult situation and yes, with some hostile feedback from the audience including me (yes, I am the Brit in the blue T shirt) . For those of you mocking me, go ahead, for those of you mocking Edwin, the guy sitting next to me, you disgust me. It is obvious that he is blind, his white cane is in full view. By the way Brinkmanship I've added your clip to my profile, the grandkids love it.

 

At the end of the day the seminar was about the pros and cons of MQA, that's what Chris tried to present. In MY OPINION, that was not what his presentation was, it was biased against MQA, that is why he got the reaction that he did. Again in MY OPINION, he stated that it would be unbiased and it wasn't. I am in touch with Chris privately and I think we are good.

 

As to my position on MQA. I listen to MQA tracks on Tidal and  Red Book tracks on Tidal. I enjoy both and I love Tidal as a vehicle for me to listen to music I know and, to discover new music. Let  me give you an example, I wandered around RMAF with Shazam in hand. I got home and built a Tidal playlist of the Shazam tracks, it's great to listen to. Once Qobuz becomes available I'll sign up for it and then decide if I stay with one or go with both. I can not defend or support MQA technically, I don't have the necessary skills. At least one of you, maybe more, have said that they hope Tidal fails because of their support for MQA, I don't. Tidal and MQA will survive or fail based on customer demand and their finances. 

 

I have really enjoyed my time reading CA, I post very little but I have gotten a lot from it. I really enjoyed the bar time with Chris and other CA members at both Axpona and RMAF. Most of you are a good bunch and Chris has built a great brand and and is enjoying the success of his labors. I'm sure that it will continue. 

[mansr]

11 minutes ago, Derek Hughes said:

why he got the reaction that he did

It was because you and your MQA buddies were hell-bent on ruining the presentation lest a nugget of truth get out. Had I been in charge, the lot of you would have been escorted from the room.

 

What is your affiliation with MQA anyway?

[Derek Hughes]

1 minute ago, mansr said:

It was because you and your MQA buddies were hell-bent on ruining the presentation lest a nugget of truth get out. Had I been in charge, the lot of you would have been escorted from the room.

 

What is your affiliation with MQA anyway?

None.