Jeff Dorgay & TONEAudio Declare War on CA

[wgscott]

There is something about this hobby that sure brings out the psychos in whole herds and droves.  

 

You might want to pass those missives along to the EFF.  https://www.eff.org

[wgscott]

8 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

What planet are you guys from?!?

 

Analog planet!

 

A place where logic doesn't apply.

 

A place where identical files can sound different depending on how much sand is in your grounding box (and your head).

 

A place where inhabitants threaten the livelihood of people over trivial disagreements about music.

 

A place where vinyl sounds good and computers are the evil spawn of satan.

 

A place where power cords and speaker cables have magical properties.

 

A place where science is appreciated as much as in the White House.

 

But let's keep pretending ignorance is harmless, and should be celebrated.

 

 

[wgscott]

58 minutes ago, mansr said:

It absolutely has the full articles.

 

 

 

Thank you very much for posting that, and more generally, for telling the truth, and exposing lies.

 

 

[wgscott]

7 minutes ago, jabbr said:

 

A court would decide. He could be considered to after the publisher demands he take down. Again IANAL but my understanding is that without an explicit copyright notice its a gray area -- note that Aaron Swartz went on to participate in the Creative Commons effort designed to license internet content. I knew all the folks at the time and participated in discussions so know these issues exist.

 

 

The relevant point here is that he is not representing the content as his own.

 

If the RSS feed pushed only the title, and he had some other mechanism to scrape the content and deposit it on his website, then maybe you would have a valid objection.  But the RSS feed itself pushed the content, whether out of intent or ignorance is not relevant.  The source is attributed, and it links back to the source, thus potentially generating internet traffic for the original site.

 

Aaron Swartz republished documents behind a paywall, not documents that were pushed by RSS.  

 

If Nature pushed its entire content by RSS feed, and Aaron Swartz aggregated and displayed that feed, he would not have committed an infringement (intentional or otherwise).

 

-- note that Aaron Swartz went on to commit suicide.

[wgscott]

1 minute ago, phototristan said:

What we can and do KNOW is he does not intend for it to be published here, from his email. 

 

That CA refuses to do anything is telling for sure. 

 

So what is CA supposed to do, break into his server and change the wordpress setting for him, because he is too incompetent to do so himself?

[wgscott]

1 minute ago, phototristan said:

 

I'm pretty sure he chooses what RSS to syndicate or not. Unless someone is actually holding a gun to his head and saying; publish ToneAudio or else? 

 

No one is holding a gun to the head of ToneAudio and requiring them to push their entire content via RSS.  If they do so either through ignorance, stupidity, or capitalist cunning, it makes no difference.  It is not CA's responsibility to second-guess the intent.  If they don't want it pushed out via RSS, then change the setting.  It would take one or two clicks, and the problem is solved.  Any six year old with a computer mouse is capable of doing this.  It doesn't require any special training, consultation with attorneys or IT professionals.  But I guess it is a lot less entertaining than having an internet tantrum and wallowing in self-inflicted ignorance.

[wgscott]

1 minute ago, phototristan said:

 

It's also not CA's responsibility to publish ToneAudio content. Which leads me to wonder, why does CA want to do so badly, even against ToneAudio's wishes? 

 

 

Unlike you, I can't speak for anyone else.  However, my guess is that CA doesn't want to back down and reward the bullying and gratuitous legal threats.

 

A better question is why doesn't ToneAudio behave in a way designed to maximize the likelihood of obtaining their alleged desired outcome?

[wgscott]

1 minute ago, phototristan said:

 

So because he did not ask nicely, CA is going to keep the content up like as punishment? What is this, first grade? 

 

I had someone legally threaten me once to take down a copy of a Letter to the Editor of a newspaper (in response to one of her own).  I refused to take it down simply because I did not want to allow a bully to get their way.  

 

If you reward bad behavior, you get more of it.  Anyone who has kids or pets is casually familiar with the concept.

 

But to answer your question, it is not first grade.  First graders are smart enough to figure out how to change a Wordpress setting (see above).

[wgscott]

2 minutes ago, jtwrace said:

So if I ask you nicely to stop posting on this forum you'll stop? 

 

Post of the Day!

[wgscott]

May I suggest the following compromise and remedy?

 

1.  Jeff Dorgay, the publisher of TONEAudio, should write to Chris (CA), apologize for the spurious accusations and threats, and agree to indemnify and hold harmless CA for the RSS posts.

 

2.  CA should remove ToneAudio from the list of RSS feeds on this website.

 

3.  Jeff Dorgay, the publisher of TONEAudio, should change the Wordpress setting (in the unlikely event that this was a genuine error of intent).

[wgscott]

2 minutes ago, phototristan said:

 This is not a reason to just ignore his request though. 

 

If it was a politely-worded "request," rather than a bunch of demands, legal threats and spurious accusations, the outcome might have been more favorable.

[wgscott]

6 minutes ago, crenca said:

What is his personal connection with Jeff?  

 

Even if it is Jeff, it shouldn't be relevant.

[wgscott]

1 minute ago, phototristan said:

 

So your not denying?

 

It brought you here, which clearly has been a great benefit to all parties involved.

[wgscott]

On 7/15/2018 at 7:22 PM, wgscott said:

There is something about this hobby that sure brings out the psychos in whole herds and droves.   

 

I probably should have just left it with this.