MQA is Vaporware

[The Computer Audiophile]

5 minutes ago, One and a half said:

Hmm, so Tidal don't read the reasons for leaving in the form and shotgun cancellations to lure back people, sounds counter intuitive. Warner most likely spent Mega$ on MQA, so Tidal HAVE to use it, or lose a large section of the offering. Rock and hard place. 

Don't go back to Tidal then, let them rot. 

I’d bet Warner didn’t spend much on MQA. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

But, MQa will weasel its way around that by saying the original is the MQA format and FLAC compresses it losslessly. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 hour ago, StephenJK said:

That's with Tidal, Qobuz and DropBox only.  Why a cloud service is included is beyond me.  If I'm going to buy new music, I'll add it to my local storage, not upload it to DropBox.

Dropbox is for backing up your database, not music. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

8 minutes ago, StephenJK said:

That's a standard CD Redbook file.  The 16 bit/44.1 kHz sample rate gives you a 1,411 Kbps file - kilobits per second.  That, as compared to MP3, which at its highest rate is 320 Kbps

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=cd+kbps+rate&rlz=1C1OKWM_enCA906CA906&oq=cd+kbps+rate&aqs=chrome..69i57.6106j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

But 1411 is for uncompressed audio. Apply any level of FLAC and it can’t be 1411. Apply FLAC uncompressed and you’ll likely get 1411. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

23 minutes ago, Cebolla said:

 

Looks like the new Australian TIDAL HiFi tier has been tested and it is indeed poisoned:

https://community.roonlabs.com/t/tidal-hifi-plus-introduced/157461/15

With MQA Ltd involved, it just couldn’t have gone any other way. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, KeenObserver said:

Is there no end to the MQA BS?

There is not. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, KeenObserver said:

The truly sad part of this is that there are people buying into this.

I suspect that some of them will follow MQA right over the cliff.

Absolutely. 
 

When this much money is at stake, get your boots on to wade through all the BS, and watch people clamor to get on the bandwagon as it goes right over the cliff. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

When MQA first launched, who’d have thought they’d be so desperate to fraudulently claim the solution is better for the environment. What’s left for them to claim? Please don’t answer that. I’m sure it will come soon enough. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

5 hours ago, R1200CL said:

Link here.

 

Not MQA necessarily. 
 

 “A very exciting new direction is live streaming, that for the first time permits HD video to be combined with HD audio.”

 

 

That will be nothing but MQA. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 hour ago, SoundAndMotion said:

dozens of lectures and themed sessions.

 

That's a very kind way of saying infomercial. Mike JBara has one gear, it's called "scorched Earth, burning bridges, full speed MQA, damn the rest of you, it's all about me."

[The Computer Audiophile]

9 minutes ago, SoundAndMotion said:

That may be true of the one session, NOT the whole 4 day conference. Slamming Jbara for his behavior in your RMAF talk, and expected behavior in the session on streaming is one thing; slamming all of AES is inappropriate, IMHO.

Of course, nobody would be foolish enough to slam the entire organization.

[The Computer Audiophile]

22 minutes ago, UkPhil said:

Yes I see it as round the Calvary up and create a wall around MQA  I hope they allow Q and A sessions for registered participants as it’s going to be a pretty one sided affair if not 

Yep. When people have zero credibility left, they frequently try to get as close to it as possible and hope that those listening to the presentation associate the good credibility of others with them. Yes, Vicki is very smart and is a nice person with whom I’ve exchanged emails (agreeing and disagreeing), but when credibility rubs off onto others who need it, it’s hard to get back. I hope she is the voice of reason in that infomercial. She has the chops to call out every claim by MQA, if MQA dares to raise them. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Another tactic used by scammers is to bring up topics outside of the industry in which one is speaking. Example, Bob bringing up the “benefits” of MQA to record labels, while talking to the RMAF audience. Who is going to call him out? Nobody in that crowd. It will be interesting to see how much MQA talks about consumer demand and other total consumer-side topics at a professional engineering “conference.” 
 

Ask anyone with integrity, the toughest audiences are those in the same field who are experts. You can’t pull the wool over their eyes. Thus, speaking to experts about a topic that’s outside their wheelhouse ensures smooth sailing. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Still holding on to MQA at this point is no different from politicians who never admit they were wrong. They find ways to twist and turn to justify their previous actions and points of view. Meanwhile, the rest of the world looks on, uncomfortably, as they squirm to answer questions. 
 

Is it really that hard to look at all the evidence now and change one’s mind? Seems pretty straight forward, plus then one gets to be right (for those who have a hard time being wrong).

[The Computer Audiophile]

Anyone remember all the folks claiming this would never happen? That we’d always have a choice? I guess the choice is to either accept the lossy tainted mQa files or avoid the music altogether. 
 

I wonder what kind of position a niche record label is in, if it now only offers mQa.  Certainly not in a position to please consumers who don’t want mQa. Kind of reminds me of politicians doubling down on the big lie in order to at least get support from someone. I guess those who support the big mQa lie are better than no support at all for some labels. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, LarryMagoo said:

Why????? What do you expect to find?   

Who knew you’d appear right when Roon was mentioned!

[The Computer Audiophile]

21 minutes ago, yahooboy said:

From 9to5Google:

 

 

With Apple Music 3.6.0 Beta, rolling out now via the Google Play Store, we’ve found similar signs of high-quality audio streaming and downloading options coming to Apple Music for Android. As you’d expect, Apple includes a prominent warning of how much data and storage high-quality audio uses.

Lossless audio files preserve every detail of the original file. Turning this on will consume significantly more data.

Lossless audio files will use significantly more space on your device. 10 GB of space could store approximately: – 3000 songs at high quality – 1000 songs with lossless – 200 songs with hi-res lossless

Lossless streaming will consume significantly more data. A 3-minute song will be approximately: – 1.5 MB with high efficiency- 6 MB with high quality at 256 kbps- 36 MB with lossless at 24-bit/48 kHz- 145 MB with hi-res lossless at 24-bit/192 kHzSupport varies and depends on song availability, network conditions, and connected speaker or headphone capability.

 

With Spotify going lossless, this should kill off Tidal whatever that "format" they use is was called

If we have Qobuz, Amazon HD, Deezer lossless, Spotify lossless, and Apple HiFi, I can’t see a reason why anyone would use Tidal. Nothing beats paying more and getting less. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

Roon has been promoting artists in their Instagram stories as well as their feed, and it strongly favors TIDAL.

Of course. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, LarryMagoo said:

Why do you think Roon needs Tidal?    They have 300,000 customers that like Roon for what it is.....They can add Convolutions for Room Correction or HQP if they like that alteration to their Music files.   Plus I think Qobuz has as a good following there.  I enjoy using their services.    Roon to get off the pot?   

One more time. 
 

Do you work for Roon or are you affiliated with Roon somehow? 

[The Computer Audiophile]

[The Computer Audiophile]

24 minutes ago, vmartell22 said:

 

ALAC as per the rumours !

 

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Hopefully without mQa inside like they do with FLAC. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Apple Music webpage source code indicates lossless and lossless high resolution. 
 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Great news for DAC manufacturers. 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

The first thing I did was Command + F mQa on that press release. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, yahooboy said:

Luckily nothing was found

Yes. Made my day.