Release of Sonic Orbiter Operating System v2.9 for the Rendu Series

[charlesphoto]

On 9/13/2023 at 9:08 AM, juniorbudel said:

I noticed potentially greater detail when installing the new SD but the sound seemed harsher with digitized artifacts, I left it playing straight, let's see what it will be like today after 24 hours of burning.

Unfortunately I'm having the same experience with 2.9 on my oR Roon only model. The detail and separation increase is very noticeable, but most likely showing up my DAC/Preamp as the sound can be like a sushi knife to my poor tinnitus ravaged ears. So back to 2.8 for me, which sounds slightly less detailed but more natural through my setup. I wouldn't say there are any 'digitized artifacts' I'm hearing with 2.9 though. I can imagine if one has top notch post Rendu gear, this upgrade brings a pretty huge benefit.

[juniorbudel]

18 minutes ago, charlesphoto said:

Infelizmente, estou tendo a mesma experiência com 2.9 no meu modelo OR Roon apenas. O aumento de detalhes e separação é muito perceptível, mas provavelmente aparecendo meu DAC/Pré-amplificador, pois o som pode ser como uma faca de sushi para meus pobres ouvidos devastados pelo zumbido. Então, de volta ao 2.8 para mim, que parece um pouco menos detalhado, mas mais natural na minha configuração. Eu não diria que há algum 'artefato digitalizado' que estou ouvindo no 2.9. Posso imaginar que se alguém tiver equipamento pós-Rendu de primeira linha, essa atualização trará um benefício enorme.

How many hours did you leave the 2.9 playing?
 

Here, after about 30 hours the shrillness in the treble ended and the sound settled down, I haven't gone back to the 2.8 yet but it's certainly playing better with the 2.9 burnt out.

[charlesphoto]

29 minutes ago, juniorbudel said:

How many hours did you leave the 2.9 playing?
 

Here, after about 30 hours the shrillness in the treble ended and the sound settled down, I haven't gone back to the 2.8 yet but it's certainly playing better with the 2.9 burnt out.

Ok, maybe I'll give it a try again. Only played for an hour, and could only stand it at a lower volume than I'm used to. I just wish I could swap cards without having to reboot the router etc...

[Cormorant]

1 hour ago, charlesphoto said:

The detail and separation increase is very noticeable, but most likely showing up my DAC/Preamp as the sound can be like a sushi knife to my poor tinnitus ravaged ears. 

 

I've got 2.9 installed and it does seem like it offers slightly increased clarity over 2.8, which is great.  I notice a touch more clarity across the frequency spectrum including a tad tighter and more dynamic bass.

 

It looks to me like you do have top notch gear!

 

I looked at a Stereophile review of the KEF Ls50 Anniversary Edition.  Measurements are here:  https://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker-measurements

 

Here is the spatially averaged frequency response of the Ls50 speakers in John Atkinson's room (red line):  

I don't know what your in-room response looks like, but the JA room frequency response isn't really going to make most of our ears and brain happy at all, particularly in the treble.  Most listeners prefer a down-sloping frequency curve from bass to treble.

 

If your in-room response looks anything like the chart above, using Acourate or Audiolense room/speaker correction software could fix your prominent treble issues.  Most speakers need EQ to shine, in my opinion.

 

[vortecjr]

On 9/16/2023 at 11:59 AM, Cormorant said:

 

I've got 2.9 installed and it does seem like it offers slightly increased clarity over 2.8, which is great.  I notice a touch more clarity across the frequency spectrum including a tad tighter and more dynamic bass.

 

It looks to me like you do have top notch gear!

 

I looked at a Stereophile review of the KEF Ls50 Anniversary Edition.  Measurements are here:  https://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker-measurements

 

Here is the spatially averaged frequency response of the Ls50 speakers in John Atkinson's room (red line):  

I don't know what your in-room response looks like, but the JA room frequency response isn't really going to make most of our ears and brain happy at all, particularly in the treble.  Most listeners prefer a down-sloping frequency curve from bass to treble.

 

If your in-room response looks anything like the chart above, using Acourate or Audiolense room/speaker correction software could fix your prominent treble issues.  Most speakers need EQ to shine, in my opinion.

 

Nice post.

[charlesphoto]

On 9/16/2023 at 8:59 AM, Cormorant said:

 

I've got 2.9 installed and it does seem like it offers slightly increased clarity over 2.8, which is great.  I notice a touch more clarity across the frequency spectrum including a tad tighter and more dynamic bass.

 

It looks to me like you do have top notch gear!

 

I looked at a Stereophile review of the KEF Ls50 Anniversary Edition.  Measurements are here:  https://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker-measurements

 

Here is the spatially averaged frequency response of the Ls50 speakers in John Atkinson's room (red line):  

I don't know what your in-room response looks like, but the JA room frequency response isn't really going to make most of our ears and brain happy at all, particularly in the treble.  Most listeners prefer a down-sloping frequency curve from bass to treble.

 

If your in-room response looks anything like the chart above, using Acourate or Audiolense room/speaker correction software could fix your prominent treble issues.  Most speakers need EQ to shine, in my opinion.

 

I'm actually playing via Audio Physic Classic Compact speakers, which are much better than the KEF. I've done a bit of speaker repositioning and tamed things down a bit. The clarity in 2.9 is pretty stunning, and may just take some time to adjust too. It does have me playing at a lower volume, which isn't a bad thing...

[jiminlogansquare]

On 9/14/2023 at 3:12 PM, jiminlogansquare said:

I replaced the 2.8 SD with the 2.9 SD on my opticalRendu and loaded the NAA software, but HQPlayer is not detecting the oR as an available NAA. I have rebooted both the oR and my sonicTransporter, to no avail. I also tried restarting the NAA app on the oR; also no luck. Thoughts on next steps? I have already experimented with going back to 2.8, which will work, but I would of course like to make the 2.9 upgrade work on my system if possible. Thanks

 

EDIT TO ADD: I access HQPlayer via JPlay, streaming Qobuz. Also, I did actually manage to (briefly) get HQPlayer to recognize the oR as an NAA by unchecking the iPv6 button. But even then I got no playback through JPlay/HQPlayer. I tried rebooting the sonicTransporter and my iPad to reconnect things; after that, HQPlayer agan no longer as able to recognize my Rendu as an NAA.

 

 

Hey, all. I wanted to report back that, after lots of hair pulling and tooth gnashing, I eventually found the answer to my problem. Briefly, you gotta hit “Apply” on the HQPlayer Configuration page even though the name of the Rendu/DAC pathway are appearing in the NAA field, looking all to the world as if HQPlayer had recognized them. There is literally nothing about the UI of HQPlayer that would make you realize this intuitively. I just eventually tried hitting “Apply” even though there was no obvious signal to do so. AND IT WORKED. End of saga. 

[vortecjr]

On 9/26/2023 at 7:37 PM, jiminlogansquare said:

Hey, all. I wanted to report back that, after lots of hair pulling and tooth gnashing, I eventually found the answer to my problem. Briefly, you gotta hit “Apply” on the HQPlayer Configuration page even though the name of the Rendu/DAC pathway are appearing in the NAA field, looking all to the world as if HQPlayer had recognized them. There is literally nothing about the UI of HQPlayer that would make you realize this intuitively. I just eventually tried hitting “Apply” even though there was no obvious signal to do so. AND IT WORKED. End of saga. 

I appreciate you posting this. 

[vortecjr]

For those of you having issues with SO 2.9 (Linux ARM Kernel 6.x) I need to go though this post and emails to filter things. I'll separate user error and known issues and post as much information as possible. There are a few devices that are having issues such as glitches or dropouts, playback stops randomly, and/or playback does not start properly. We are going to enable a new feature on sonicorbiter.com that will allow us to gather information about the specific issue you are having.

 

The fall back position for listening to music is your SO 2.8 (Linux ARM Kernel 5.x) micro SD card.

[jiminlogansquare]

2 hours ago, vortecjr said:

I appreciate you posting this. 

Sure thing. I ought to clarify that my explanation above skipped over an important step.

 

As my initial report indicates, the Rendu was not showing up AT ALL as an available NAA on the HQPlayer configuration page.

 

What I failed to mention in my followup was that I rebooted the sonicTransporter and Rendu a couple of times in my efforts to find a solution. That did eventually get the Rendu to show up as an NAA on the HQPlayer configuration page.

 

And only THEN was I able to click on "Apply" to get HQPlayer and the Rendu to send a signal to the DAC.

 

Such a lot of words; but hopefully it might help somebody else.

[topside3]

12 hours ago, vortecjr said:

For those of you having issues with SO 2.9 (Linux ARM Kernel 6.x) I need to go though this post and emails to filter things. I'll separate user error and known issues and post as much information as possible. There are a few devices that are having issues such as glitches or dropouts, playback stops randomly, and/or playback does not start properly. We are going to enable a new feature on sonicorbiter.com that will allow us to gather information about the specific issue you are having.

 

The fall back position for listening to music is your SO 2.8 (Linux ARM Kernel 5.x) micro SD card.

 

I updated my opticalRendu (2.9) via the web interface and now nothing will play via Roon. It just keep skipping tracks then says too many failures, stopping playback.

[vortecjr]

5 hours ago, topside3 said:

 

I updated my opticalRendu (2.9) via the web interface and now nothing will play via Roon. It just keep skipping tracks then says too many failures, stopping playback.

I have seen this with SO 2.9 updated in the last few days (Linux ARM Kernel 6.1). We have disabled that update until we can trace the issue. Luckily I have a DDC here that exhibits the issue and can test any new prospect versions. I'll be testing Linux ARM Kernel 6.2 soon.   

[dknk]

14 hours ago, vortecjr said:

I'm testing SO 2.9 (Linux ARM Kernel 6.2)

Can you allow me to test the 6.2 kernel using my Denafrips dac? I have an UltraRendu and an OpticalRendu. I have backups for v2.8 and v2.9 so not worried about breaking something. Just a thought.

[vortecjr]

2 hours ago, dknk said:

Can you allow me to test the 6.2 kernel using my Denafrips dac? I have an UltraRendu and an OpticalRendu. I have backups for v2.8 and v2.9 so not worried about breaking something. Just a thought.

Yes. Let me work out a delivery method with Andrew at SGC. 

[OzarkMtn]

3 hours ago, dknk said:

Can you allow me to test the 6.2 kernel using my Denafrips dac? I have an UltraRendu and an OpticalRendu. I have backups for v2.8 and v2.9 so not worried about breaking something. Just a thought.

 

44 minutes ago, vortecjr said:

Yes. Let me work out a delivery method with Andrew at SGC. 

I'd like to be included as well please.

Denafrips Pontus II DAC.

[MikePid]

Long-time Sonore user here - I started down the Sonore rabbit hole almost 5 years ago, looking for something to allow my MacBook to send native DSD rather than DoP.  After looking at several inexpensive NAAs, I decided to splurge on the ultraRendu, with the SGC linear power supply, based on the wonderful reviews on various forums.  Well, one thing led to another, and when Sonore released their own LPS, I was one of the first to order it with the (at the time SOTA) Blue fuse.  Then I changed DACs to one that had a floating ground.  The guys at Sonore helped me troubleshoot the background static noise that was coming out, explaining that their LPS was also floating which caused ground noise. So I swapped it with another LPS, and used the Sonore LPS to power a wonderful network device by a friendly, also small company "competitor".  Then when Sonore announced the balanced DC-5X replacement for the DC-4 DC cable, I arranged with the Sonore "team" to upgrade my LPS to use the DC-5X cable.  While I was at it, I upgraded the power cord to their Sonore/Cardas one.  So now the ultraRendu is powered by the Sonore LPS again, with Sonore's DC-5X and power cable, but now upgraded to the Purple fuse. 🙂

 

I only use the HQPlayer setting on SonicOrbiter, and Sonore updates that software shortly after a new version is released.

 

I'm looking forward to the improvements in 2.9, based on the previous posts!

 

A shout out to the Sonore "team" - Jesus, Barrows, Adrian, John and Andrew!

[amsco15]

I posted this in the incorrect thread (Sonore opticalRendu....apologizes).  I think this belongs in the OS 2.9 thread.  I believe there is a gapless playback issue with OS 2.9 in MPD/DLNA.  Below is based upon a couple steps over the last few days:

 

First

 

I have a new issue using JRiver over DLNA.  This has ALWAYS worked on my network/system until now.  My first play (after switching from Roon) was white noise.  Cleared the queue and started play again, all seemed good.  Now, there is a very brief pause at the 20 seconds to remain mark of each song. 

 

OS 2.9 (latest), JRiver/jremote (latest), signature rendu SE, PS Audio DSD mkii DAC.

 

Second

 

I believe the issue is a gapless problem.  Only occurs on live music (or I assume abbey road) using JRiver/dlna.  Gapless works fine in Roon.  Ug, who knows where the problem is.  
 

Think the issue revolves around the SetNext function.  JRiver allows me to disable SetNext (for broken renderers).  Disabling SetNext moves the pause (tick) to the beginning of the next track (right at the transition), from the 20 seconds left point.

 

Finally

 

I just re-installed 2.8.  gapless play works as it should.  None of the issues described above.

 

Thanks, Dale

[vortecjr]

On 10/2/2023 at 1:21 PM, amsco15 said:

I posted this in the incorrect thread (Sonore opticalRendu....apologizes).  I think this belongs in the OS 2.9 thread.  I believe there is a gapless playback issue with OS 2.9 in MPD/DLNA.  Below is based upon a couple steps over the last few days:

 

First

 

I have a new issue using JRiver over DLNA.  This has ALWAYS worked on my network/system until now.  My first play (after switching from Roon) was white noise.  Cleared the queue and started play again, all seemed good.  Now, there is a very brief pause at the 20 seconds to remain mark of each song. 

 

OS 2.9 (latest), JRiver/jremote (latest), signature rendu SE, PS Audio DSD mkii DAC.

 

Second

 

I believe the issue is a gapless problem.  Only occurs on live music (or I assume abbey road) using JRiver/dlna.  Gapless works fine in Roon.  Ug, who knows where the problem is.  
 

Think the issue revolves around the SetNext function.  JRiver allows me to disable SetNext (for broken renderers).  Disabling SetNext moves the pause (tick) to the beginning of the next track (right at the transition), from the 20 seconds left point.

 

Finally

 

I just re-installed 2.8.  gapless play works as it should.  None of the issues described above.

 

Thanks, Dale

We are in the process of updating the Kernel on SO2.9 so I would hold off on testing and troubleshooting until the new release comes out.

[BCRich]

On 10/7/2023 at 11:54 AM, vortecjr said:

We are in the process of updating the Kernel on SO2.9 so I would hold off on testing and troubleshooting until the new release comes out.

Hi Jesus,

Any progress on this? Not having issues but at the same time if there is an improvement to be had I’m game.

Thanks….Mike

[vortecjr]

22 hours ago, BCRich said:

Hi Jesus,

Any progress on this? Not having issues but at the same time if there is an improvement to be had I’m game.

Thanks….Mike

Nothing yet.

[simon_pepper]

Hi, Any progress with SonoreUPnP Bridge on the 2.9 release?

[vortecjr]

11 hours ago, simon_pepper said:

Hi, Any progress with SonoreUPnP Bridge on the 2.9 release?

It’s not going to be added at this time.

[MrDerrick]

Is there any light at the end of the tunnel yet for the sonicTransporter 2.9 OS update?

[BCRich]

2 hours ago, MrDerrick said:

Is there any light at the end of the tunnel yet for the sonicTransporter 2.9 OS update?

@MrDerrick Jesus posted not yet to my inquiry yesterday.

[vortecjr]

On 10/15/2023 at 6:49 PM, BCRich said:

@MrDerrick Jesus posted not yet to my inquiry yesterday.

Remember that sT is not a Sonore product, but I always push for updates on it.