Music therapy for early-onset dementia

[wgscott]

Interesting BBC Article

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-48124591

 

 

[Paul R]

1 hour ago, wgscott said:

Interesting BBC Article

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-48124591

 

 

 

Thanks for posting that. 

 

[rando]

Expected this to be based on the studies surrounding sub-bass.  Since he is drumming as part of his music therapy I suppose it partially does.  The focus of this article was predominantly on choral singing and quality of life instead of hard science.

[wgscott]

5 hours ago, rando said:

instead of hard science.

 

As if you know the first thing about how to evaluate "hard science."

 

 

[mansr]

Science is hard.

[Paul R]

5 hours ago, rando said:

Expected this to be based on the studies surrounding sub-bass.  Since he is drumming as part of his music therapy I suppose it partially does.  The focus of this article was predominantly on choral singing and quality of life instead of hard science.

 

It is a pretty large jump to associate self stimulative behavior in this context. It is just another factor to be dealt with. 

[wgscott]

22 minutes ago, mansr said:

Science is hard.

 

https://www.theonion.com/national-science-foundation-science-hard-1819566466

 

[rando]

Ah, advancing the conversation as always.  In a reasonable discussion I would quote (with quite clear mention of ownership/authorship) freely from the article you linked, @wgscott

 

Science is hard.  Alzheimers is harder... to deal with.  A family friend nearly killed himself taking care of his wife who mercifully passed two weeks ago.  I feel this will be lost on you, but I find that sadder than whatever you are trying to accomplish over the course of multiple defamatory posts aimed at me. 

 

Thank you for showing understanding in the technical realm.  

[rando]

17 hours ago, Paul R said:

 

It is a pretty large jump to associate self stimulative behavior in this context. It is just another factor to be dealt with. 

 

It is a pretty large jump to associate self stimulative behavior in the context of audio quality.  It is just another factor to be dealt with. 🙃

[AnotherSpin]

Life is a great joke.

[wgscott]

3 hours ago, rando said:

Ah, advancing the conversation as always.  In a reasonable discussion I would quote (with quite clear mention of ownership/authorship) freely from the article you linked, @wgscott

 

Science is hard.  Alzheimers is harder... to deal with.  A family friend nearly killed himself taking care of his wife who mercifully passed two weeks ago.  I feel this will be lost on you, but I find that sadder than whatever you are trying to accomplish over the course of multiple defamatory posts aimed at me. 

 

Thank you for showing understanding in the technical realm.  

 

Do us both a favor and keep your random-word salads out of my threads.  The only thing lost on me is the assertion that anything you type constitutes a "reasonable discussion."  "Self-stimulatory," however, seems to be quite appropriate to describe your activities.

[AnotherSpin]

35 minutes ago, wgscott said:

 

Do us both a favor and keep your random-word salads out of my threads.  The only thing lost on me is the assertion that anything you type constitutes a "reasonable discussion."  "Self-stimulatory," however, seems to be quite appropriate to describe your activities.

 

Please do not be above the things in such a manner. I am welcoming rando's input in any discussion. Be kind.

[Paul R]

1 minute ago, AnotherSpin said:

 

Please do not be above the things in such a manner. I am welcoming rando's input in any discussion. Be kind.

 

You probably don't have special needs kids then, or aging parents, or worries about Alzheimer.  Really, it isn't funny at all.

 

My daughter is 36 now, and trust me, while all those years have been a blessing, they have also been *anything* but easy. Music is definitely one of the things my daughter loves.

 

-Paul 

 

[AnotherSpin]

1 minute ago, Paul R said:

 

You probably don't have special needs kids then, or aging parents, or worries about Alzheimer.  Really, it isn't funny at all.

 

My daughter is 36 now, and trust me, while all those years have been a blessing, they have also been *anything* but easy. Music is definitely one of the things my daughter loves.

 

-Paul 

 

 

No reason to look for a black cat in a dark room. I appreciate everybody's input in any tread.

[Paul R]

31 minutes ago, AnotherSpin said:

 

No reason to look for a black cat in a dark room. I appreciate everybody's input in any tread.

 

Never have understood that saying. In any case, it was somewhat offensive, though those without the referents to understand may find it puzzling.

 

Perhaps you two should go make up a thread where you pick on disabled people? I am sure nobody would find that offensive.

 

I meant that sarcastically even initially put a smile behind it. But in 2019, I am not so sure anymore. The President want's to monitor disabled people to be sure they are not too "happy." What other kind of effing  weirdness is going to show up? 

 

-Paul 

 

 

[Ralf11]

http://www.wfmt.info/Musictherapyworld/modules/mmmagazine/issues/20080108093144/20080108100520/MTT8_3_Gebhardt_Georgi.pdf

[wgscott]

2 hours ago, AnotherSpin said:

 

Please do not be above the things in such a manner. I am welcoming rando's input in any discussion. Be kind.

 

The guy has attacked me like a psychotic previously.  I prefer he stays out.  He contributes nothing positive.  Feel free to start your own thread and he can bring his shopping cart and scream at shadows.

[Ralf11]

you can ask Chris for the ability to moderate any thread you start, and delete him - I've found it works well

[AnotherSpin]

It is behind my understanding why member of a forum can not comment. Do you afraid or what?

[wgscott]

13 minutes ago, AnotherSpin said:

It is behind my understanding why member of a forum can not comment. Do you afraid or what?

 

Verily.  Shoelace aglets sleep furiously heteroduplastic muon decay in a squew-Hermition operator space.

[Paul R]

1 hour ago, Ralf11 said:

http://www.wfmt.info/Musictherapyworld/modules/mmmagazine/issues/20080108093144/20080108100520/MTT8_3_Gebhardt_Georgi.pdf

 

And so, we come full circle back to 1697 with William Congreave's:

 

"Musick has Charms to sooth a savage Breast,
To soften Rocks, or bend a knotted Oak."

 

 

[wgscott]

30 minutes ago, AnotherSpin said:

It is behind my understanding why member of a forum can not comment. Do you afraid or what?

 

I'm afraid of utter nonsense, jibberish and narcissistic posturing derailing what should have been a perfectly good thread.

[PeterSt]

On 5/3/2019 at 1:28 AM, wgscott said:

As if you know the first thing about how to evaluate "hard science."

 

I suppose it is allowed to contribute in this thread with real-life experiences ?

Say that I'd dive into scientific articles or so-called "doctor" sites for help on the matter, would you think real help is provided from there ? (hint: not).

 

Anyway ... (and with the notion it is very tough for me to write in English on a subject like this)

 

While an article like this may give pointers for further exploration, it could be a community like CA which forms more strong settlement on the matter(s). But one must recognize it ...

 

OK, that was vague. I will try to come up with more substance.

 

[PeterSt]

The thought of music being a great aid for people with (certain types of ?) dementia is at least a few years old by now. As far as I know, some scientific research currently limits to accidental findings like with the choir thing, or people (observed in a group of hospitalization) getting more responsive when music (of their past ?) is playing. With this latter I mainly refer to those sitting in a chair the whole day, them hardly moving. So from there, people like us - dealing with music a lot - could see through more of this all, once we know it could be going on. And from there, for example I myself indeed do see such things happening.

 

Say that in my family there is a "she" who is subject to being prone to have the disease for several reasons (like inheritance but not officially diagnosed (yet)). Now there's me and I coincidentally saw such a (BBC) program on TV and so I start to observe;

The key thing here is that I am ahead of possible dementia times in the "she" and so I am there right from the possible start of it.

 

To jump right to the end: the more the disease expresses the more crazy "she" gets about knowing the history of songs involved. To me it seems impossible that one "is" a walking dictionary about all what happens with songs and when they came out and who the singer and guitarist etc. etc. was ... but the more the disease progresses the better she gets at it.

And all else starts to fail more and more.

 

Because the happening (of normally playing music) is reoccurring say on a weekly basis, it is easy to see the progress (on song recognition) because what wasn't recognized at all a year ago, today is (same songs, I mean). This is really weird to experience.

It is also weird to experience that from an article like the one subject to the OP, you (and maybe many people more) can see that something really is at work there. But, be not too late like with my experience. I mean, this is not at all about someone sitting in a chair the whole day. But, at some day that may happen. What I now foresee is that "she" can stay in more normal circles of life by means of playing that game of "what song is this ?" ... which is just playing music of old times (like from the youth). There's great attention and focus, which otherwise is (as it seems) explicitly lost.

 

As if all the brain activity slowly shifts to the auditory system ...

 

As far as I can tell this is just a person like you and me and the neighbors who ever back went to school and parties and was normally subject to music. Nothing special there.

[Paul R]

2 hours ago, PeterSt said:

The thought of music being a great aid for people with (certain types of ?) dementia is at least a few years old by now. As far as I know, some scientific research currently limits to accidental findings like with the choir thing, or people (observed in a group of hospitalization) getting more responsive when music (of their past ?) is playing. With this latter I mainly refer to those sitting in a chair the whole day, them hardly moving. So from there, people like us - dealing with music a lot - could see through more of this all, once we know it could be going on. And from there, for example I myself indeed do see such things happening.

 

Say that in my family there is a "she" who is subject to being prone to have the disease for several reasons (like inheritance but not officially diagnosed (yet)). Now there's me and I coincidentally saw such a (BBC) program on TV and so I start to observe;

The key thing here is that I am ahead of possible dementia times in the "she" and so I am there right from the possible start of it.

 

To jump right to the end: the more the disease expresses the more crazy "she" gets about knowing the history of songs involved. To me it seems impossible that one "is" a walking dictionary about all what happens with songs and when they came out and who the singer and guitarist etc. etc. was ... but the more the disease progresses the better she gets at it.

And all else starts to fail more and more.

 

Because the happening (of normally playing music) is reoccurring say on a weekly basis, it is easy to see the progress (on song recognition) because what wasn't recognized at all a year ago, today is (same songs, I mean). This is really weird to experience.

It is also weird to experience that from an article like the one subject to the OP, you (and maybe many people more) can see that something really is at work there. But, be not too late like with my experience. I mean, this is not at all about someone sitting in a chair the whole day. But, at some day that may happen. What I now foresee is that "she" can stay in more normal circles of life by means of playing that game of "what song is this ?" ... which is just playing music of old times (like from the youth). There's great attention and focus, which otherwise is (as it seems) explicitly lost.

 

As if all the brain activity slowly shifts to the auditory system ...

 

As far as I can tell this is just a person like you and me and the neighbors who ever back went to school and parties and was normally subject to music. Nothing special there.

 

Thanks Peter. -Paul