linear regulator after pico or seperate power supply?

[Solid-State]

5 hours ago, the_doc735 said:

If you say you have a good solution, you are obliged to explain why it is 'good'. (Obviously).

and you are obliged to explain why we have to explain every thing for you

[billg]

It's probably a good idea to read the thread I posted earlier. You'd learn how the music/file server is set up and some of the reasons it's a good approach, such as isolating the player from potential digital jitter and electrical noise contamination from the HDD (using wired ethernet connections). It hosts Minimserver which serves up the music library and performs any format conversions and dsp, thereby offloading these tasks from the player pc. Being on the home network, the music library is available to both my systems and to any mobile device, and externally if I wanted to open a port in the firewall. 

 

I have mounted the hdd inside the player pc, externally, in the nas, and now in the music server pc. The music server pc makes sense to me and IMO it sounds the best. I did some A/B comparisons but they can give false results and I don't rely on them. I prefer to listen over a period of time. I can't afford several Tb of SSD or I'd use them in the server instead of a hdd. 

 

Windows 2016 server is great OS when it is optimised for audio. AudiophileOptimizer and Fidelizer help achieve this and if you haven't heard of them I recommend you visit their websites and forums. You plan to use I2S (which I would like to try myself) so you won't use Jplay like I do. 

 

What OS and player software are you planning to use? You've obviously given a lot of thought on the hardware for a single pc player, but that's only half of the solution.  

 

[Tomslin]

9 hours ago, the_doc735 said:

If you say you have a good solution, you are obliged to explain why it is 'good'. (Obviously).

Strange standpoint imo. Possibly I'll do it if I'm going to sell something (for money). But this is just a discussion forum and everything is free.

[Solid-State]

either he is a manufacturer or ,,,,,,,

he just wants to troll

 

what do you think 

[4est]

1 hour ago, TubeMan said:

either he is a manufacturer or ,,,,,,,

he just wants to troll

 

what do you think 

LOL. He doesn't seem to even know enough to be a manufacturer's rep, let alone a manufacturer or designer. I tried to help him once, and he got rude with me for saying he "didn't know enough to even know what he doesn't know" after repeatedly not understanding. You all are merely wasting your efforts IMO.

[the_doc735]

7 hours ago, billg said:

It's probably a good idea to read the thread I posted earlier. You'd learn how the music/file server is set up and some of the reasons it's a good approach, such as isolating the player from potential digital jitter and electrical noise contamination from the HDD (using wired ethernet connections). It hosts Minimserver which serves up the music library and performs any format conversions and dsp, thereby offloading these tasks from the player pc. Being on the home network, the music library is available to both my systems and to any mobile device, and externally if I wanted to open a port in the firewall. 

 

I have mounted the hdd inside the player pc, externally, in the nas, and now in the music server pc. The music server pc makes sense to me and IMO it sounds the best. I did some A/B comparisons but they can give false results and I don't rely on them. I prefer to listen over a period of time. I can't afford several Tb of SSD or I'd use them in the server instead of a hdd. 

 

Windows 2016 server is great OS when it is optimised for audio. AudiophileOptimizer and Fidelizer help achieve this and if you haven't heard of them I recommend you visit their websites and forums. You plan to use I2S (which I would like to try myself) so you won't use Jplay like I do. 

 

What OS and player software are you planning to use? You've obviously given a lot of thought on the hardware for a single pc player, but that's only half of the solution.  

 

Many Thanks!

I've followed windows ever since its inception and re-jigged windows XP CD's to customise them, back when that was the current O/S from MS.

Now I'm on windows 10/64 PRO. I have tried several players over the years and at the moment using foobar.

Graphic EQ32 Studio PRO 2017v, Enhancer 0.17v, Foobar2000 1.3.16v, VB-Audio ASIO Bridge - Hi-Fi (virtual) Cable Control Panel 1.0.0.7v, Windows Volume Mixer, Windows Sound Profile (panel). MS Windows 10/64 bit.

Sorry but I can't find "the thread you posted earlier"? Are you the thread creator, O/P?

[the_doc735]

46 minutes ago, the_doc735 said:

Many Thanks!

I've followed windows ever since its inception and re-jigged windows XP CD's to customise them, back when that was the current O/S from MS.

Now I'm on windows 10/64 PRO. I have tried several players over the years and at the moment using foobar.

Graphic EQ32 Studio PRO 2017v, Enhancer 0.17v, Foobar2000 1.3.16v, VB-Audio ASIO Bridge - Hi-Fi (virtual) Cable Control Panel 1.0.0.7v, Windows Volume Mixer, Windows Sound Profile (panel). MS Windows 10/64 bit.

Sorry but I can't find "the thread you posted earlier"? Are you the thread creator, O/P?

Thinking of trying win. server 2016, + optimizer, Fidelizer, + XXHE.

Music/file server, would this be anything like "FCoE"?

[the_doc735]

4 hours ago, Tomslin said:

Strange standpoint imo. Possibly I'll do it if I'm going to sell something (for money). But this is just a discussion forum and everything is free.

Not really. I prefer: "this is good because............."; rather than, "this is good" (PERIOD).

[Tomslin]

I explain one thing, you say "thanks" as answer. I explain next, again "thanks". and so it keep on and it's fully accepted. When "the barrel is full", you will drop all content again and start over. I'm not sure if you do not want or can understand. But honestly, I don't care either.

[the_doc735]

58 minutes ago, Tomslin said:

I explain one thing, you say "thanks" as answer. I explain next, again "thanks". and so it keep on and it's fully accepted. When "the barrel is full", you will drop all content again and start over. I'm not sure if you do not want or can understand. But honestly, I don't care either.

I am just looking at things from various points of view, to gain a better understanding overall. Everyone has to start somewhere.

[sandyk]

3 hours ago, the_doc735 said:

Now I'm on windows 10/64 PRO. I have tried several players over the years and at the moment using foobar.

 

 Try JRiver with what you have already. If the rest of your system is resolving enough you will soon realise that the "jack of all trades, but master of none"  Foobar is VERY lacklustre.

[the_doc735]

@billg 

"I use a dedicated network file server now. It has windows server 2016 on a SSD with  Audiophile Optimizer. The music files are on an internal HDD with a SOtM noise filter?. It performs any format conversions and DSP, thereby offloading these tasks from the player PC. 

I previously did mount the HDD inside the player PC, externally, and in a NAS. I definitely prefer the file server to the Qnap NAS I previously used. I can't afford several Tb of SSD or I'd use them in the file server instead of a HDD."

 

What make/model of file server do you have?

[billg]

The thread on building a music server is on the Jplay forum http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/2403-jplaystreamer-how-to-improve-sound-quality-guide/

 

The "dedicated network file server" is the music/file server pc I built. It's a Lenovo M92p i5 with ssd for the OS, 8tb hdd with sotm noise filter for music files, 16GB ram, onboard network adapter. Wired ethernet to the router and player pcs. Software is windows server 2016, audiophileoptimizer, Minimserver, avconv (for transcoding). There are several hardware improvements I could make (psu, fanless) but there's more to  do on the player pcs first.

 

I run the music server and player pcs headless (no screen, keyboard or mouse) and use remote desktop for software upgrades/diagnostics. 

 

Jriver sounds good, esp the newest 64 bit versions and I run it on my 2nd system. It's very good at meta data. For my main system I use JplayStreamer (usb only) with bubbleds as control point on my android tablet. I'm told hqplayer is great sounding too.

 

Good luck.

[the_doc735]

9 hours ago, Tomslin said:

I explain one thing, you say "thanks" as answer. I explain next, again "thanks". and so it keep on and it's fully accepted. When "the barrel is full", you will drop all content again and start over. I'm not sure if you do not want or can understand. But honestly, I don't care either.

I am very happy with all the bits of information you have imparted on my various threads, you have no reason to be angry with me! Your contributions are very welcome and each little part adds to my overall knowledge (base). Thankyou for the information so far! I am learning a little at a time, I am certainly NOT perfect in any way, but I always do my best despite a medically diagnosed memory defect which I have had all my life, AND YES! ~ PEOPLE DO MOCK ME AND MAKE FUN OF ME BECAUSE OF THIS DISABILITY!!

Sorry if I repeat myself sometimes!

[the_doc735]

2 hours ago, billg said:

The thread on building a music server is on the Jplay forum http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/2403-jplaystreamer-how-to-improve-sound-quality-guide/

 

The "dedicated network file server" is the music/file server pc I built. It's a Lenovo M92p i5 with ssd for the OS, 8tb hdd with sotm noise filter for music files, 16GB ram, onboard network adapter. Wired ethernet to the router and player pcs. Software is windows server 2016, audiophileoptimizer, Minimserver, avconv (for transcoding). There are several hardware improvements I could make (psu, fanless) but there's more to  do on the player pcs first.

 

I run the music server and player pcs headless (no screen, keyboard or mouse) and use remote desktop for software upgrades/diagnostics. 

 

Jriver sounds good, esp the newest 64 bit versions and I run it on my 2nd system. It's very good at meta data. For my main system I use JplayStreamer (usb only) with bubbleds as control point on my android tablet. I'm told hqplayer is great sounding too.

 

Good luck.

Thank you for very good extensive reply. I will need to read it several times to let it sink in (LOL!). Thanks for the link! Take Care! 

I do have a medically diagnosed memory defect which I have had all my life, AND YES! ~ PEOPLE DO MOCK ME AND MAKE FUN OF ME BECAUSE OF THIS DISABILITY!!

Sorry if I repeat myself sometimes!

 

PS:   yes I was thinking of using (headless) remote desktop control from my laptop, but didn't know if it was possible?

[the_doc735]

new thread:

usb-memory-stick-alternatives

[the_doc735]

@Tomslin 

...please respect the fact that I have NOT repeated the exact same question, over and over again in various threads. i.e. each one is a different 'angle' within the Hi-Fi subject as a whole, each one has its own concept and outcomes, each one is concentrating on a different aspect of the subject.

[the_doc735]

On 8/26/2018 at 10:46 PM, billg said:

I use a dedicated network file server. It's windows 2016 on ssd,  Audiophile Optimizer, music files on internal HDD with a SoTM noise filter, minimserver. I definitely prefer it to the qnap nas I previously used.

Of course you can trick this out forever with linear power supplies, network cards, cables, etc. 

The "dedicated network file server" is the music/file server pc I built. It's a Lenovo M92p i5 with ssd for the OS, 8tb hdd with sotm noise filter for music files, 16GB ram, onboard network adapter. Wired ethernet to the router and player pcs. Software is windows server 2016, audiophileoptimizer, Minimserver, avconv (for transcoding). There are several hardware improvements I could make (psu, fanless) but there's more to  do on the player pcs first. I run the music server and player pcs headless (no screen, keyboard or mouse) and use remote desktop for software upgrades/diagnostics. 

I am now thinking more of a NAS than a mini 2nd. PC like your M92 because:

it only has a power socket and RJ45.

It doesn't have loads of unnecessary outputs/inputs.

it doesn't have unnecessary audio/video circuitry and ports.

It doesn't have anything that will be unused and switched off anyway (with 'optimizer'). Which makes it much closer to a dedicated/built for the purpose unit that is made for Hi-Fi only i.e. no unnecessary electronic gadgetry like you would get in a 2nd. PC of any size. It just serves files, which is all we want it to do, pure and simple. Don't forget to stick the SSD's in it though! (& suppress the DC fan ripple noise). Also, power it with LPSU.

And of course, headless, with no screen, k/board, mouse.

 

DS218play

[Darryl R]

Are you able to share what you did with your DC input inside your server?  I'm at a similar point of wanting something better than a picoPSU (and sorry if I missed this skimming your thread).

[Solid-State]

25 minutes ago, Darryl R said:

Are you able to share what you did with your DC input inside your server?  I'm at a similar point of wanting something better than a picoPSU (and sorry if I missed this skimming your thread).

https://www.hdplex.com/hdplex-400w-hi-fi-dc-atx-power-supply-16v-24v-wide-range-voltage-input.html

[Darryl R]

1 minute ago, TubeMan said:

https://www.hdplex.com/hdplex-400w-hi-fi-dc-atx-power-supply-16v-24v-wide-range-voltage-input.html

 

I'd seen that the other day and suspected it was a picoPSU on steroids.  I'd love to stand corrected.

[Solid-State]

it's not a Pico
completely different PSU
not comparable

[Darryl R]

Understand.  If you're using it, do you like it?

[Solid-State]

Yes,

With a good source it sound very good

[motberg]

I am using one of the older HDPlex DC-ATX convertors and also one of the new 400W units, also I have a 400W HDPlex ATX PS and a Teradak 210W ATX PS.. I am not sure if I would be able to tell these apart, they all sound good and much better than a generic switching ATX supply. I am using the HDPlex DC-ATX convertors for the 20 pin ATX power input only, the mb 12V input is a separate LPS.

 

However - a friend built a DIY server/dac (something like an all in one setup but still configured in a few boxes) using a lot of LT3045's mostly double regulated to the mb, and 12V input via battery. .. We tried that in my system and I think most people would say his was substantially better. One of my setups uses the same mb (Supermicro X10SBA-L) and similar r2r dac, similar stuff but certainly not an A-B comparison.  Hearing his comparatively simple device using Volumio, you get the sense that mb and dac power regulation is perhaps a key attribute to this performance.