Jeff Dorgay & TONEAudio Declare War on CA

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I just read a few sentences in and knew, just knew, you were going to be dealing with someone that is wielding technology they don't know how to effectively use. 

 

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27 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Except Stereophile TAS and all the others aren’t publishing our feed.  You’re the only one doing it and we both know it’s a dick move

 

Consider the war on

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

Then Stereophile and TAS are simply using the feed as informational. 

 

Really RSS is SYNDICATION. It's purpose is to take publishers that push the content via RSS and allow others to Aggregate it. 

 

It's the whole fucking point of it.

 

Jeff want's his cake and eat it too. 

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4 minutes ago, sandyk said:

Hi Chris

 Publishing email conversations without first seeking the permission of the sender is a very grey area, and possibly not a good move.

Perhaps they should be removed and just an overview given ?

Jud may be able to assist with some general advice in this area. 

 

 Kind Regards

Alex

 

Actually this isn't grey at all. Anyone ever just firing off an email has zero expectation to privacy. 

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Just now, sandyk said:

 

Yes, Mr. Attorney .

 

I've actually been in court (I was the plaintiff) and Time Warner Cable was the defendant. I had previously published emails in a dispute with them and they tried arguing that it was protected content, yada yada yada. It may be different in Australia, but here it wasn't a problem. TWC had zero expectation of privacy.  Judge almost laughed at that one. They ended up paying me $2700. 

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Just now, tmtomh said:

 

That's true - and Chris has every right to publish that exchange.

At the same time, I would guess that publishing that exchange will only redouble Dorgay's rage, because (at least in Dorgay's mind) it's the same type of thing Dorgay was upset about in the first place with the RSS issue.

 

I find idiots are generally idiots all the way through. It's their unerring ability to keep operating in the same manner but expecting different results. 

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6 minutes ago, arcman said:

My thoughts:

 

why post the email exchange? Really...a bit non professional imo. You may have the right to do it, however, does not make it the right thing to do.  As a business owner, i ‘ve had “tiffs” with clients, etc...some even did me wrong...id never post those enails on a public forum. 

 

As a professional photographer im always dealing with people violating copyrights, using my photos without permission, etc. The TA owner probably deals with the same stuff on a weekly basis. Sure, the owner could have handled things better, sure the feed may be set up poorly. Just abide by his wishes and remove. 

 

Just because you get a little jarred at an email, doesnt mean there is WAR! Just abide by the copyright holder’s wish. Sure, you may win in court if he sues...is it worth it? We are not talking about kids being held in cages at the Mexico border.,this is just a hobby topic..nothing earth shattering

 

just my 2 cents. 

 

The email in and of itself is what is unprofessional. Not Chris turning it into a thread here. 

 

Here's a bit of advice for people when they use email: Assume it's going to be on the front page of the New York Times. 

 

There are certainly conversations that I've had that have taken place outside of electronic means. 

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8 minutes ago, arcman said:

Just abide by his wishes and remove. 

 

This is the crux of the problem however. You don't understand RSS but you are willing to comment on it as some informed party.

 

Your post tells me you are uninformed. Your response will inform all of us how reasonable a participant you are in learning something new. 

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11 minutes ago, arcman said:

Just abide by the copyright holder’s wish

 

Uhg.... You don't get it. 

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4 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

To add to this, here is a piece of advice I used to tell the porn addicts at the various corporate networks I managed:  

 

Assume NOTHING you do or see on your computer is "private" and not recorded/logged by some computer geek such as myself which in turn will be used against you in some form or fashion by a supervisor, law enforcement agent, "journalist", or your wife...

 

Been there with a C Level Exec at a non-profit. 

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1 minute ago, Jud said:

 

A lesson we try to teach all the people sending email or letters out of our organization, but a difficult one to learn. 

 

They learn it when it's on the front page...

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I've been to court so many times that threats just go right by me. 

 

Had a customer that was abusive to my staff here. I called up and booted them and gave them 30 days.

 

They actually have their attorney call me about how it's going to be detrimental for their business.  I just let them know they agreed to a TOS with a jurisdiction clause and asked if they are licensed in my state. Also let them know I can provide a phone recording of every conversation we've ever had with the asshole. 

 

I literally laughed at the attorney and wished him the best of luck in the law suite. 

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2 minutes ago, sandyk said:

 Who gives a stuff, certainly not the vast majority of C.A. members.

 Chris has previously had a long held policy of not permitting full copies of C.A. threads to be posted elsewhere, just a brief resume and a link to the original thread.

Surely in this case, it should also apply to other Forum's/Vendors' material being posted in C.A. too ?

 

I see your understanding of RSS is about as good as audio... So here goes:

 

Chris isn't setting up and RSS feed to actively disseminate threads here over RSS feeds. 

 

Everything on this site is Copyright that benefits Chris (why else run a commercial forum?). But what Chris is doing is this:

ToneAudio setup an RSS feed to distribute their content (syndication). Chris has taken them up on that offer. If they don't want ToneAudio content delivered that way then they have the option of NOT USING RSS.

 

jesus wept this is so simple to understand. But here we are.

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Just now, sandyk said:

 I don't give a rat's anus about RSS.

Neither do I need any advice from somebody like yourself with such an aggressive attitude who is always spoiling for a fight. 

 

You're not very intelligent. 

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7 hours ago, HiFiInsider said:

I am also a content creator (YouTube) and I have to side with Jeff on this one. If someone embeds my videos on their website and use as content, I would be upset. Can they legally do it, yes but that doesn't mean it's ok with me. 

 

It's not the same thing. RSS is distribution, YouTube is hosting. RSS is understood as a way to disseminate and push out content beyond the domain you are originating it at. 

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In my business we have training, troubleshooting, and how to videos. We built our own content management system to organize and host those videos so we don't have to put them on YT or another hosting service where we lose control of our content. 

 

If someone were to ever link to our content we would have remedies available to us that you don't get otherwise. It's why we spent the coding effort.

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1 minute ago, phototristan said:

 

It's pretty easy to view the raw RSS feed for any website. I suggest you do so. 

 

Their feed is here (use an RSS reader) : http://www.tonepublications.com/feed/

 

Ah the new user here to inform us how RSS works. 

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2 minutes ago, phototristan said:

 

You need to look at the actual RAW RSS data. Some RSS readers will essentially click on the included link in the feed to bring up the entire article. This does not mean the entire article is in the RSS feed. 

 

And if ToneAudio knew what they were doing (technical competence) they could fix that... 

 

Also all the linkages are there at the bottom of the articles.

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31 minutes ago, phototristan said:

I think CA is a bit disingenuous with attribution for sure. 

 

Chris, you bastard:

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9 minutes ago, HiFiInsider said:

I am not on anyone's side. Jeff is wrong for starting the conversation with guns blazing but Chris could have taken the high road and remove the feed. CA doesn't need TONE to get readers. One less site in CA's feed isn't going to make a dent in the readership. 

 

Why?

 

ToneAudio is publishing via RSS. They've offered by setting up an RSS feed and Chris has accepted said offer by setting up an RSS reader.

 

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9 minutes ago, phototristan said:

 

You chose to create this thread and go public with it, you also chose the title, clickbait. 

 

And....? 

 

The beauty of this is that Chris is benefiting from this and not ToneAudio from a search engine perspective. When some idiot that doesn't understand RSS feeds and how it affects distributing their content, then get all butt hurt over it and writing a nasty email.

 

Why WOULD Chris just crush that ball out of the park? I know I would.

 

ToneAudio has handed this to Chris on a golden platter. And what you're doing is helping Chris. 

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Just now, phototristan said:

You stated in one of your replies to Jeff that you actually prefer to just post a summary of articles. If that is the case, why did you not just edit it to be a summary?  Boom - problem solved. 

 

Did you not see the Word Press screen shot that Mansr posted? It showed full text or summary. I'm sure Chris prefers summaries also but the Automated CA bot that manages RSS is going to post what is sent across the feed.

 

The entire point is Chris doesn't want to edit this stuff. You may be missing what the word 'automated' means. 

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1 minute ago, phototristan said:

 

So you really don't have the ability to edit the post on CA? I doubt that's true. 

 

You're a xxxxxxxxxx. 

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Just now, phototristan said:

 

If Chris is so bent out of shape over this, I'm sure he could edit or even remove the post. It's clear he likes the attention he's getting about it though. 

 

Duh.... It's good for CA, bad for TA. 

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Just now, beetlemania said:

I know nothing of this "RSS" other than what's is described in this thread. Heck, I can't even see anywhere on this site how/where to access content from other websites.

 

But it seems easy to comply with Jeff Dorgay's request, even if the real "problem" is his ignorance of how RSS works.

 

Jeff has one reasonable option: Stop syndication via RSS. 

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3 minutes ago, Allan F said:

 

You just don't get it. Why would Chris even consider editing the RSS content? The feed is syndicated, i.e. published to all subscribers, with the content consisting of what the publisher chooses to include, i.e. what the publisher intends subscribers to receive.

Oh he gets it but that's not the way sycophants work.