Priaptor Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 These threads kind of remind me of a thread LONG AGO when Dylan won the Nobel prize. I initially took the POV that it was ridiculous when some of you convinced me that Dylan was so much more than his music but more of a cultural icon that through his music had huge impact on a huge % of his audience. I agreed when I said "why not Dylan". The Dead as well as some of these other groups being mentioned really go beyond their music. Like Clapton, no one does them their true justice if we, in the year 2021, just evaluate them based on some of their music. I can make a strong case that The Dead (and they are NOT one of my top or even close to one of my favorites from that era) had as much if not more of an influence on the same generation as Dylan did. Link to comment
firedog Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 1 hour ago, sphinxsix said: None of them IMO had a cult following similar to GD. That was exactly the reason why I chose GD as IMO most overrated one, of course beside my attitude to their music which in its essence I had described above. The Dead have a dedicated very large following. I wouldn't call it a cult. There are just too many of them and many of them are just serious fans, not cultists. IMO, overrated has to also relate to the actual abilities and qualities of the band. The Dead's are not inconsiderable. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three BXT Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
NOMBEDES Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 18 hours ago, sphinxsix said: The solution to your problem is pretty simple, my friend, just don't click on this thread Expensive audio cables are snake oil. Compare and contrast. 500 words. Wake me up later. 500 clicks / comments on any audio site. In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake ~ Sayre's Law Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 17 hours ago, Priaptor said: Now I will say this about the Dead and for those of you who aren't old enough to understand what it was like when you were at a party or concert with air filled with Dead tunes (among other things), it was much more than just the music. It literally was what we referred to as A SCENE and few bands elicited that to their audiences and listeners the way the Dead did. Ok, I can understand that, I happened to witness such phenomena here in Europe where GD has never been as popular as in the US, I guess. Never been a part of such let's say 'fan club' though, BTW never been a member of a proper fan club as well. 3 hours ago, Priaptor said: I can make a strong case that The Dead (and they are NOT one of my top or even close to one of my favorites from that era) had as much if not more of an influence on the same generation as Dylan did. Do you really think so.? Do you also think that the artistic value of their lyrics can be compared in any way with Dylan's.? 3 hours ago, firedog said: The Dead have a dedicated very large following. I wouldn't call it a cult. There are just too many of them and many of them are just serious fans, not cultists. I didn't mean 'cult' in religious sense, I meant it in a sense in which 'cult' can be called 'Pulp Fiction' or Martens shoes. IMO they are absolutely cult band - huge, devoted following, some legend or myth surrounding the band etc.. 2 hours ago, NOMBEDES said: Expensive audio cables are snake oil. ! Link to comment
Mayfair Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 3 hours ago, sphinxsix said: Do you really think so.? Do you also think that the artistic value of their lyrics can be compared in any way with Dylan's.? Robert Hunter (lyricist) - Wikipedia Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted March 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2021 48 minutes ago, ASRMichael said: The Beatles! And even if they were, they're still the best... Bill Brown, ASRMichael, sphinxsix and 1 other 2 1 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three BXT Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, Mayfair said: Robert Hunter (lyricist) - Wikipedia Wiki: "Upon his death, Rolling Stone described him as "one of rock's most ambitious and dazzling lyricists". C'mon, everyone is great upon one's death but not everyone gets Nobel Prize while being alive! But seriously - I've never been into GD.. errr.. their lyrycist's lyrics, hence can't discuss them. IMO the only one who could potentially compete with Dylan was Leonard Cohen, YMMV. Link to comment
SteelyDad Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 What is the rating agency, if I may ask? Are there standards to measure rating when it comes to arts, as opposed to sales? Who defines them? Could you answer these questions? I hope not. So, take it easy and "love the one you're with," to reference another artist, whatever his rating could be, pal. Link to comment
skipspence Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 15 hours ago, sphinxsix said: Do you also think that the artistic value of their lyrics can be compared in any way with Dylan's. <iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/KRAUH48GYcE" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe> Yes, of course and even more. Let's say only that Robert Hunter was the lyricist on Dylan's songs, in fact Robert Hunter has worked with Dylan on a whole series of songs – two from Down in the Groove, one on Tempest and virtually the whole of Together Through Life: https://bob-dylan.org.uk/archives/144 Silvio I gotta go Find out something only dead men know... Audio System Link to comment
bobbmd Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Really? You either like them(like me especially their Americana) or you don’t. Same with Clapton and Dylan etc. And although interesting who gives a rat’s ass anyway. Everybody’s subjective opinion is someone else’s opposition.Enjoyed the comments tho. NOMBEDES 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Priaptor Posted March 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2021 20 hours ago, sphinxsix said: Ok, I can understand that, I happened to witness such phenomena here in Europe where GD has never been as popular as in the US, I guess. Never been a part of such let's say 'fan club' though, BTW never been a member of a proper fan club as well. Do you really think so.? Do you also think that the artistic value of their lyrics can be compared in any way with Dylan's.? I didn't mean 'cult' in religious sense, I meant it in a sense in which 'cult' can be called 'Pulp Fiction' or Martens shoes. IMO they are absolutely cult band - huge, devoted following, some legend or myth surrounding the band etc.. ! No by no means am I comparing their "artistic value" to Dylan. What I am comparing is their effect on the masses and their followers; their historical contribution. Again, I don't know how old you are or how old most of the people responding to the this post are but few had the amazing influence on our young/revolutionary population in the 60s and 70s as The Dead did. Trust me, I am not a huge fan and not trying to prop them up, however, anyone living in America during those times need give them their just due in the history of the era. While I didn't live on the west coast, I did see them many times before, during and after college and it was truly an experience no group, no musician could elicit from their audience. I was fortunate enough to see just about all of them, including Jefferson Airplane, Allman Brothers, Traffic, The Band, The Doors, Dylan (with and without the Band), etc. and none had the influence on their audience that The Dead did. Watkins Glen perfect example. LOL. Probably the greatest concert of my life with The Band, The Dead and The Allman Brothers. While I obviously loved and enjoyed The Band and The ABs more, it was like a transcendental switch that went off with the HUGE crowd when the Dead took stage including my then girlfriend; at least that is my recollection which to this day I still don't get. My last Dead concert was one of Garcia's last appearances in Madison Square Garden, where my AMEX executive friend got a box for us to attend. I was truly amazed. It was literally a concert that reminded me of Night Of The Living Dead. LOL. All these old burned out people marching and "dancing" to a different tune. Their influence cannot be understated. sphinxsix, Josh Mound and ssh 2 1 Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 27 minutes ago, Priaptor said: I was fortunate enough to see just about all of them, including Jefferson Airplane, Allman Brothers, Traffic, The Band, The Doors, Dylan (with and without the Band), etc. Wow, I am envious (and my son would be also) with you having seen the ABB, especially if it was before Duane died. Wow again. Bill Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Popular Post Priaptor Posted March 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, Bill Brown said: Wow, I am envious (and my son would be also) with you having seen the ABB, especially if it was before Duane died. Wow again. Bill Yes I saw Duane multiple times. I also saw what I believe was their first concert after he died, at CW Post in Long Island. It was horrible, from an emotional and music standpoint. They pretty much cut their concert short and this was in the days that they did minimum of 3 hour concerts. None of us AB fans/junkies thought they could ever recover without Duane but they did but it was nothing like with him. The GREATEST concert I have ever been to, which is actually on CD but the CD sucks, was when they played in my college at SUNY Stony Brook in Long Island. (The Allman Brothers Band - SUNY at Stonybrook - Amazon.com Music) They scheduled them to play Rosh Hashana. There was literally almost no one on campus as everyone had gone home for the holidays (during that era, it was at least 75% Jewish and almost all were from NY as it was a BAD recession and few could afford the private schools; it was funny as NYU was a piece of garbage back then and had to sell their uptown campus to stay afloat). They played 2 concerts and I went to both (it was really just one morphed into each other). It was in a very hot gym, few people and they jammed their hearts out. It was one of the first times they ever played Blue Skies and definitely the only time Duane played it live as he died just 4 or 5 weeks after. They played for hours. My good buddy "Dumbo" was among 8 of my friends who had come for the concert literally passed out from the heat and the weed. While my parents weren't too happy that I wasn't coming home for the high holy days, some things come before God and in this case it was the Allman Brothers. I had seen Duane just a few times prior but this was literally the greatest concert of my life. Just a couple of hundred of us and it was amazing. Josh Mound, sphinxsix, bobbmd and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Another wow. Great. Anxious to tell my son you were at SUNY, we have the discs (basically everything from when he was alive). Coltrane was his favorite having grown up with me, but Allman supplanted him when he began playing (Les Paul of course). And agree. Never the same after. He found another live recording of Blue Sky from The Warehouse; listened to it every day, several times, for months. Extended Duane solo, just fantastic. Sound quality no good (don't care): Priaptor 1 Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Popular Post christopher3393 Posted March 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2021 On 3/23/2021 at 7:25 PM, sphinxsix said: I also find the idea of 'acid cowboys' slightly weird.. "With cow dung being the preferred habitat of Psilocybe cubensis, its circumtropical distribution is largely encouraged, if not caused, by the worldwide cattle ranching industry." Therefore, cowboys and girls. Furthermore, https://peyotecowboy.net/ additionally... In the Morenos Mountains campesinos are planting their fields While the ghost of Zapata rides a horse that can still outrun the wheel There, free in the sky high above, nearly clear out of sight It's the Free Mexican Air Force flyin' tonight In the City of Angels, a cowboy is cooling his heels Remembering that God gave us herbs and the fruits of the fields But a criminal law that makes outlaws of those seeking light Made the Free Mexican Air Force -- Mescalito riding his white horse -- Yeah, the Free Mexican Air Force is flyin' tonight! Flying so high - yi - hiyeeeee! ... How strange that an innocent herb causes money to burn They'll jail you or kill you for making those rich fat cats squirm They're the fools who make rules with no difference between wrong or right That's why the Free Mexican Air Force is flyin' tonight Uncle Sam in his misery put a nix on the fields of Guerrero Sayin', "Shoot down all gringos and wetbacks who dare wear sombreros!" Either run for your life, surrender, or stand up and fight -- Or join the Free Mexican Air Force -- Mescalito riding his white horse -- Yeah, the Free Mexican Air Force is flying tonight! Flying so high - yi - hiyeeeee! ... (instrumental bridge) It is not marijuana destroying the minds of the young But confusion continued for power and greed in all forms Well, the borders of evil will fall to the smugglers of light! We're the Free Mexican Air Force and we're flyin' tonight! In San Antonio, they tell me that power and money are one They can buy us or sell you to keep you afraid, on the run But no one can stop us! My vision is clearly in sight! And the Free Mexican Air Force -- Mescalito riding his white horse -- Yeah, the Free Mexican Air Force is flyin' tonight! Flying so high - yi - hiyeeeee! ... Some were smoking colitas while other were loading their guns Blowing smoke from their six-shooters, spinning their barrels for fun Contrabandistas, banditos alike -- We're the Free Mexican Air Force and we're flyin' tonight! High in the hills we are harvesting sweet sensimillia Yeah, the law wants it all 'cause they know that the wild weed can free ya And freedom for us is a prison for the rulers of might! That's why the Free Mexican Air Force -- Mescalito riding his white horse -- Yeah, the Free Texican Air Force is flyin' tonight! Flyin' so high- yi- yee... Flyin' tonight! bobbmd and sphinxsix 1 1 Link to comment
christopher3393 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 "The Finest Rock Improvisation Ever Recorded" - Robert Christgau, 37 year editor and chief music critic for Village Voice Josh Mound 1 Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Not bad. I have never heard anything by them that really grabbed me. I am tempted to say it leans toward noodling, but I think it hangs together. Hard for me not to think it would seem even more profound with some mushrooms or something. Not sure it rises to "The Finest Rock Improvisation Ever Recorded," but that's ok. I also realized that something that has always pushed me away from them is the voice of the vocalist. Thanks for that, Bill christopher3393 1 Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Priaptor Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Bill Brown said: Another wow. Great. Anxious to tell my son you were at SUNY, we have the discs (basically everything from when he was alive). Coltrane was his favorite having grown up with me, but Allman supplanted him when he began playing (Les Paul of course). And agree. Never the same after. He found another live recording of Blue Sky from The Warehouse; listened to it every day, several times, for months. Extended Duane solo, just fantastic. Sound quality no good (don't care): Also that night, during the "second show" they did an absolutely stunning jam of Elizabeth Reed. They actually loved "The Brook" and considered it one of their main venues. They played there multiple times and loved it. There are some interesting interviews of some of the band members about their love for Stony Brook and that night in particular. Had I known it was the last time we were going to seen Duane I would have woken up my passed out friend. Bill Brown 1 Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 3 hours ago, christopher3393 said: "With cow dung being the preferred habitat of Psilocybe cubensis, its circumtropical distribution is largely encouraged, if not caused, by the worldwide cattle ranching industry." Therefore, cowboys and girls. Furthermore, https://peyotecowboy.net/ additionally... In the Morenos Mountains campesinos are planting their fields While the ghost of Zapata rides a horse that can still outrun the wheel There, free in the sky high above, nearly clear out of sight It's the Free Mexican Air Force flyin' tonight In the City of Angels, a cowboy is cooling his heels Remembering that God gave us herbs and the fruits of the fields But a criminal law that makes outlaws of those seeking light Made the Free Mexican Air Force -- Mescalito riding his white horse -- Yeah, the Free Mexican Air Force is flyin' tonight! Flying so high - yi - hiyeeeee! ... How strange that an innocent herb causes money to burn They'll jail you or kill you for making those rich fat cats squirm They're the fools who make rules with no difference between wrong or right That's why the Free Mexican Air Force is flyin' tonight Uncle Sam in his misery put a nix on the fields of Guerrero Sayin', "Shoot down all gringos and wetbacks who dare wear sombreros!" Either run for your life, surrender, or stand up and fight -- Or join the Free Mexican Air Force -- Mescalito riding his white horse -- Yeah, the Free Mexican Air Force is flying tonight! Flying so high - yi - hiyeeeee! ... (instrumental bridge) It is not marijuana destroying the minds of the young But confusion continued for power and greed in all forms Well, the borders of evil will fall to the smugglers of light! We're the Free Mexican Air Force and we're flyin' tonight! In San Antonio, they tell me that power and money are one They can buy us or sell you to keep you afraid, on the run But no one can stop us! My vision is clearly in sight! And the Free Mexican Air Force -- Mescalito riding his white horse -- Yeah, the Free Mexican Air Force is flyin' tonight! Flying so high - yi - hiyeeeee! ... Some were smoking colitas while other were loading their guns Blowing smoke from their six-shooters, spinning their barrels for fun Contrabandistas, banditos alike -- We're the Free Mexican Air Force and we're flyin' tonight! High in the hills we are harvesting sweet sensimillia Yeah, the law wants it all 'cause they know that the wild weed can free ya And freedom for us is a prison for the rulers of might! That's why the Free Mexican Air Force -- Mescalito riding his white horse -- Yeah, the Free Texican Air Force is flyin' tonight! Flyin' so high- yi- yee... Flyin' tonight! I think you've reminded me I probably don't understand America in 100% And quite often - vice versa, IME Cool post! 2 hours ago, christopher3393 said: "The Finest Rock Improvisation Ever Recorded" - Robert Christgau, 37 year editor and chief music critic for Village Voice 1 hour ago, Bill Brown said: I am tempted to say it leans toward noodling I must admit 'noodling' is the word I've been trying to not use here since the very first post regardless how provocative this thread was meant to be.. BTW I used to like Village Voice a lot when I lived in NY but I don't think we need support of outer authorities when we talk music here. We've all heard quite a lot and know a thing or two about it or even more. We also obviously have different tastes and different bands shaped our music worlds. We even have different life experiences. Hope we all understand that. I definitely wouldn't hate or kill anyone who wouldn't agree with me that the most important performers in the late 60s/early 70s after The Beatles were gone and at the same time the ones who stood the test of time best (again for me) were Hendrix and Led Zeppelin.. Let's not treat the conversations about music that(!) personal Word of explanation - like I just said - the thread was in some part meant to be a provocation and in some part - an attempt to understand the phenomenon of Grateful Dead which I think I never quite understood. I know there are quite many Dead fans here and some people from whom I could simply get first handed information - 'what the heck was/is it all about.?' And I think I'm much closer now, after some posts by their fans, to understand what GD was to America, especially after checking out their 1977 concert recommended here by some. Think I can hear this relaxed, family-like, positive atmosphere and the strong connection between the band and the audience some were talking about here. I said here a couple of weeks ago that I separate music and art in general from its creators - I said while discussing the whole thing with Chris, I think, that if a given musician was a, let's say, a criminal of even worst kind but at the same time he had recorded some fantastic music - I'd still buy the album. Art and who the artist is for me are two separate things. I said - AFAIK Miles Davis was a son of a gun in some regards but it doesn't change my perception of 'Kind of Blue' and dozens of his other great albums. At the same time - for me the opposite is also true - it's meaningless how great a guy/band making music is, how fantastic on social or any other level his fans are and how great atmosphere both the band and the audience create during live shows - if the music isn't fully convincing for me - just forget it, I'm simply not interested. Which I'm afraid is the case here. I must add that I have a big problem with country music and any music form influenced by it will probably always be problematical for me. Maybe if I was born in the US things would be different but something tells me that not necessarily.. I think I understand a little better what GD meant for young people in America and the fact that the whole cultural and social context is at least as important here as the music itself which for me is still not that interesting, sorry for that. I didn't mean to offend anybody, thanks to everyone who contributed! Ps. Think I will get the above mentioned GD concert and check it out some day eg in a car during some long drive, something tells me it could be quite a good thing in such circumstances Link to comment
clipper Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 I vote for not overrated at all. Great band, with an incredible number of great songs... Their music tickles my brain in just the right way. Growing up, I didn't care for them. Started liking them in my 30s, for some reason. Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, clipper said: This video is age-restricted and only available on YouTube. Learn more Watch on YouTube Never seen something like that (usually being logged in to my Google account was enough): Choose how to verify your age Use a credit card to verify immediately You won’t be charged. Any transaction fee will be fully refunded. Use your ID Submit an image of a valid ID like your driver’s license or passport. It may take up to 3 days to verify your ID. Link to comment
clipper Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, sphinxsix said: Never seen something like that: It's because there's a little nudity (innocent, Woodstock style stuff) in the video. I didn't get the "verify your age" request that you got. I had a YouTube account that I must have age verified sometime in the past (I guess). Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 minute ago, clipper said: It's because there's a little nudity (innocent, Woodstock style stuff) in the video. I didn't get the "verify your age" request that you got. I had a YouTube account that I must have age verified sometime in the past (I guess). Maybe I'm just too young for GD! clipper 1 Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Yes, interesting video.....I could have been one of the 4 year-olds climbing on the stage supports. Perhaps the video shows all we need to understand the music and the "scene" (not necessarily just the topless/nude ladies and the naked dude). If I had gone to the state fair and heard/seen that I would have enjoyed it- the music fits the setting and the scene would allow for some interesting people-watching. I certainly wouldn't have been blown away (by the music in total, the musicianship is top-notch) or become a dead head. That's ok. And @sphinxsix, your post above is good. I too think we can discuss these things without it becoming argumentative. I think one of the key components is to use "in my opinion," "I think," etc. And I used the word "noodling" just because it is so descriptive to me. I couldn't come up with a different, less pejorative word or phrase to convey it. I actually would be pleased/hoped to get input that supported or argued against that opinion- @bluesman :) "At the same time - for me the opposite is also true - it's meaningless how great a guy/band making music is, how fantastic on social or any other level his fans are and how great atmosphere both the band and the audience create during live shows - if the music isn't fully convincing for me - just forget it, I'm simply not interested." Amen. An interesting, though perhaps not unexpected comment on Country music. I don't know where you are from, but suspect there is a folksong tradition that is analogous, that speaks to a population in an archetypal (or something) way. Modern radio country by and large sucks (I'll say "in my opinion" to follow my rule), but there is good country also. Something that catches the ear from a genre that came from Irish folk music to Bluegrass to Country. I have lots of "guilty pleasures" there. If you are ever in Texas, look me up, we can go sit outside on a warm day (ok, hot), eat BBQ (or crawfish if they are in season), drink cold beer, and listen to country music. If you have your best girl with you we can get you up to speed with the Texas two-step (and if you don't have one there all always lots of lovely Texas ladies that love to dance). :) Would be a cultural experience, anyway! Not my favorite song, but it shows the lineage to which I referred. And if you don't know Jerry Douglas on the dobro check him out! Bill sphinxsix 1 Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
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