Fas42’s Stereo ‘Magic’

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

54 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Note the snob coming out - only "good stuff" enables quality listening.

 

You can make personal attacks like calling people snobs but that (as usual) doesn't address what I said, that I predicted you would align yourself with @ray-dude to try and establish some sort of credibility, presumably the nature of the endgame, best quality sound. Ironically, it only serves to highlight how absurd your claims are, to achieve like quality with such low end gear.

 

54 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

What it does is eliminate the disturbing audio anomalies that instantly identify the sound you listen to, as being that coming from an audio rig. Irrespective of the latter's cost.

 

 

Once again you completely ignore what I said and simply regurgitate your unsubstantiated claims i.e. conveniently ignoring the fact that your non-existent method applied to low end gear cannot produce such claimed sound quality, and that it cannot be better than 99% of the high-end gear owned by the members in this forum.

 

This is insulting to the members of this forum and I believe that you are well aware of this. You play them for fools. When asked for evidence you can't produce it because it doesn't exist. This is why you will not produce photographs of your magic handiwork. You just produce another episode in "Frank's Fables" which really is just another way of insulting people.

 

It is extraordinarily highly likely that the vast majority of members in this forum have greatly superior sound quality than you have ever achieved in your entire lifetime of tweaking low end gear. It is extraordinarily highly likely that the vast majority of members in this forum have already got much closer to your very own descriptions of what is good sound quality.

 

Pictures please. I think it's time that Frank's Fables are accompanied by pictures. I submit that if you do not have pictures your Fables could be interpreted as fibs, Frank's Fibs hmmmmn, has a ring to it🤔

[fas42]

22 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

He’s not saying that, Frank. What he’s saying is that only the “good stuff”, as you characterize it, can reach the level of performance realism that you pretend that “your method” provides.  He’s not saying that this level of realism is required for quality listening.

 

And you choose to ignore that I've repeatedly pointed out that I used "good stuff" the first time, and then became interested in whether "lower grade" gear could repeat the trick. Which it can. There's a point where one has to do too much, and it becomes silly to try - it's a.Return On Effort situation.

 

22 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

What “what” does? How does “it” eliminate these disturbing audio anomalies? You have to be very careful, here, Frank. Remember neither you, nor statements like this have any credibility here.

 

The "non-existent method" of course. The non-existent ability of mechanics to diagnose, and fix problems with your car has absolutely nothing to do with how well it runs - but you know that, ever-reliable George 😉.

[kumakuma]

@Blackmorec

 

Perhaps it's time for you to ask @The Computer Audiophile to shut this thread down.

[The Computer Audiophile]

If people don’t like the thread they can hit the ignore topic button. 

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

1 hour ago, fas42 said:

 

Yes, on the business on what we do with a component, to improve its subjective performance - all bets are off, 😉. People hear with different ears - so if they prefer a certain configuration of capacitors, "because it sounds better, to them" ... no quibbles ...

 

that's my 8th irony meter you've exploded in this thread alone !

[fas42]

29 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

You’re cherry picking again.

 

Huhhh?

 

29 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

(Taking a page from your debating style) I see enough of your nonsense all over this forum to go looking for more. 

 

For ever-lazy George,

29 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

 What are some of these tweaks? Sounds to me like what you are saying is likened to “when my wine glass is empty, I keep on drinking, even though there is nothing left to drink.” Again you’ve said nothing - as usual.

 

 

Sometimes things that help with damping vibration, and reduce static - people use expensive racks, cable supports, various peculiar add-ons that to do similar things - I use simple, cheap, direct methods for doing the same.

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

9 minutes ago, fas42 said:

I use simple, cheap, direct methods for doing the same.

 

Let's see 'em Frank !

 

So far in the last few pages people who disagree with you are "lazy", "snobs", "smarty pants", and even a slur about my profession.

 

Surely it must be time to put up or shut up ...let's get some pics of these "simple, cheap, direct methods" .

[fas42]

23 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

 

... conveniently ignoring the fact that your non-existent method applied to low end gear cannot produce such claimed sound quality, and that it cannot be better than 99% of the high-end gear owned by the members in this forum.

 

Fact? Cites, please ...

 

23 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

 

This is insulting to the members of this forum and I believe that you are well aware of this. You play them for fools. When asked for evidence you can't produce it because it doesn't exist. This is why you will not produce photographs of your magic handiwork. You just produce another episode in "Frank's Fables" which really is just another way of insulting people.

 

It is extraordinarily highly likely that the vast majority of members in this forum have greatly superior sound quality than you have ever achieved in your entire lifetime of tweaking low end gear. It is extraordinarily highly likely that the vast majority of members in this forum have already got much closer to your very own descriptions of what is good sound quality.

 

Pictures please. I think it's time that Frank's Fables are accompanied by pictures. I submit that if you do not have pictures your Fables could be interpreted as fibs, Frank's Fibs hmmmmn, has a ring to it🤔

 

Hmmm, I'm suffering a deja vu moment ...

 

[fas42]

1 minute ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

 

Let's see 'em Frank !

 

So far in the last few pages people who disagree with you are "lazy", "snobs", "smarty pants", and even a slur about my profession.

 

Surely it must be time to put up or shut up ...let's get some pics of these "simple, cheap, direct methods" .

 

On what system? The Edifiers?

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

10 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Hmmm, I'm suffering a deja vu moment ...

 

 

irony meter No.9 explodes ! (this is getting expensive)😂

 

8 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

On what system? The Edifiers?

 

That's a start

[fas42]

Just noted,

 

Quote

 

Argument By Selective Observation:

also called cherry picking, the enumeration of favorable circumstances, or as the philosopher Francis Bacon described it, counting the hits and forgetting the misses. For example, a state boasts of the Presidents it has produced, but is silent about its serial killers. Or, the claim "Technology brings happiness". (Now, there's something with hits and misses.)

Casinos encourage this human tendency. There are bells and whistles to announce slot machine jackpots, but losing happens silently. This makes it much easier to think that the odds of winning are good.

 

 

And this relates to @ray-dude getting great pleasure from his system - how?

[fas42]

2 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

 

irony meter No.9 explodes ! (this is getting expensive)😂

 

 

That's a start

 

Right, so you want a picture of stock standard Edifiers stuck on some old, slighty heavy speakers, which are stuck to a slab of concrete, which is sitting on a floor with carpet - with a whole lot of paper on top of the lot, stretching, say, to the ceiling? I call this mass loading, which can be done in a million ways - any of which will be as good as the next ... I just happen to use what is convenient, and which makes it easy to fine tune the weighting.

 

And this miracle picture will demonstrate, what?

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

9 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Right, so you want a picture of stock standard Edifiers stuck on some old, slighty heavy speakers, which are stuck to a slab of concrete, which is sitting on a floor with carpet - with a whole lot of paper on top of the lot, stretching, say, to the ceiling? I call this mass loading, which can be done in a million ways - any of which will be as good as the next ... I just happen to use what is convenient, and which makes it easy to fine tune the weighting.

 

And this miracle picture will demonstrate, what?

 

Let's see

[fas42]

12 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

 

Let's see

 

Right, I'll do even better - your very own assembly kit of goodies, to fashion just the way it appeals.

 

First up, carpet:

 

 

And then, a nice lump of concrete:

 

 

 

A juicy old speaker gets into the act:

 

 

And a smidgin of Edifier:

 

 

And to taste, lots of paper:

 

Assemble all these in any order you wish - I tend to follow a certain sequence myself - and, voila!

 

[sandyk]

 

Perhaps Frank is trying to break Ralf 11's record of the highest possible number of posts in the shortest possible time ?  😁

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

13 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Right, I'll do even better - your very own assembly kit of goodies, to fashion just the way it appeals.

 

First up, carpet:

 

 

And then, a nice lump of concrete:

 

 

 

A juicy old speaker gets into the act:

 

 

And a smidgin of Edifier:

 

 

And to taste, lots of paper:

 

Assemble all these in any order you wish - I tend to follow a certain sequence myself - and, voila!

 

 

It's nice to share pics from the internet, so I'll contribute one.

 

Now, can we see your actual pics showing the tweaks?

[gmgraves]

1 hour ago, fas42 said:

 

And you choose to ignore that I've repeatedly pointed out that I used "good stuff" the first time, and then became interested in whether "lower grade" gear could repeat the trick. Which it can. There's a point where one has to do too much, and it becomes silly to try - it's a.Return On Effort situation.

You are right. I do choose to ignore that you repeatedly point out that you used good equipment the first time (of course you repeatedly point out everything, so that’s hardly news) and I ignore it because it has nothing whatever to do with This conversation.

1 hour ago, fas42 said:

The "non-existent method" of course. The non-existent ability of mechanics to diagnose, and fix problems with your car has absolutely nothing to do with how well it runs - but you know that, ever-reliable George 😉.

Frank, you are a champion of the irrelevant and the obfuscatory.

 

[fas42]

15 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

 

Now, can we see your actual pics showing the tweaks?

 

I take it you haven't read any posts in the Edifying Journey thread?

[fas42]

10 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

You are right. I do choose to ignore that you repeatedly point out that you used good equipment the first time (of course you repeatedly point out everything, so that’s hardly news) and I ignore it because it has nothing whatever to do with This conversation.

 

 

 

So, what's This Conversation.about, then?

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

Just now, fas42 said:

 

I take it you haven't read any posts in the Edifying Journey thread?

Are there lots of pics?

 

Here's one I took yesterday. Its not hard, just point and shoot

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

@fas42 still looking for your camera Frank or running around trying to find a concrete block?

Use your phone camera

[fas42]

53 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

Are there lots of pics?

 

 

 

 

Righto, so you haven't read the thread  - it doesn’t explain everything, it doesn’t explain nothing, it explains some things. (Local allusion ... 🙂)

 

Actually, I had a video reel, going for hours, with me puzzling over every move I made - but it got deleted; took up too much memory ... I wanted to watch a long video, a special with nothing but jokes about doctors ...

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

3 hours ago, fas42 said:

read the thread  - it doesn’t explain everything, it doesn’t explain nothing, it explains some things. (Local allusion ... 🙂)

 

It explains nothing:

from "a whole lot of entertainment boxes plugged into the same extension box was not the best for SQ, so, tweak 1"

to "I will need to get serious, and start working with my usual bag of tricks"

and one of my favs "found another piece of scrap plastic had landed where it shouldn't have"

 

So, where are those pics Frank of the real stuff?

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

3 hours ago, fas42 said:

I wanted to watch a long video, a special with nothing but jokes about doctors ...

[fas42]

3 hours ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

 

It explains nothing:

from "a whole lot of entertainment boxes plugged into the same extension box was not the best for SQ, so, tweak 1"

to "I will need to get serious, and start working with my usual bag of tricks"

and one of my favs "found another piece of scrap plastic had landed where it shouldn't have"

 

So, where are those pics Frank of the real stuff?

 

Well, it's a journey - hence the title. I assume that the system is perfect, first up - and then let it, slowly or quickly, disappoint me. If the engineering was really well done it shouldn't matter in the slightest what the quality of the power feed was like - a well performing rig should be able to be plugged into the most mediocre sockets arrangement, and that not make a difference. But it did. This steadily evolved into me having to get really serious about cleaning up the mains - and that's way not done yet. The current workaround is a pretty ridiculous looking arrangement of very long extension cords, and rough and ready prototype filters, which do enough to give reasonable isolation.

 

The killer when the SQ gets good enough is static behaviour. Electrical charge builds up, or creates some type of noise background which disturbs operation enough to be audible. And it occurs in the weirdest ways, which just do not make sense. Of course, this will drive objectivists crazy, but something as nonsensical as a single bit of plastic touching another bit of plastic can disrupt SQ - checking for this is part of the process of getting best sound.

 

The "real stuff" is that these speakers are remarkably good for the money - I've pointed out many times where they fall short; whether they can be pushed to being "fully real" is Yet To Be Determined ...