Everything sounds the same

[kumakuma]

1 hour ago, mansr said:

There are no differences between a $5 clock radio and the finest system money can buy.

 

Only true after Frank has "sorted out" all the bugs in both.

[kumakuma]

32 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

In fact, I use a debugged $5 clock radio to decide which recordings are good enough to keep listening to ...

 

I thought there were no bad recordings with your equipment.

[kumakuma]

8 minutes ago, audiobomber said:

This thread is proof that you don't even need an actual topic to start an argument in an audio forum.

 

I disagree.

[kumakuma]

6 hours ago, mansr said:

That isn't an argument. That's just contradiction.

 

No, it's not.

[kumakuma]

13 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

To be serious for a sec, "stupid USB cable debates" is where the action is - I'll spell it out again:

 

* Certain interference and noise artifacts are the hardest thing for the mind to ignore

* Insufficient integrity of areas such as cabling are some of the worst offenders for allowing these artifacts to be audible

* It's extremely difficult at the moment to slap some monitoring device on part of a system, and point to precisely the waveform or number that says, we have a problem ...

* Which means that people who live and die by measurements think the other lot are nutters; OTOH the "nutters" are pragmatic, and by lots of fiddling and experimenting actually work out a 'useful' solution.

 

This is how it is, I'm afraid. Until enough people properly understand that it's vital that certain types of integrity are in place for quality playback to be realised then this sort of mudslinging will continue, endlessly ...

 

 

 

Please provide evidence that even one of your statements is true. 

[kumakuma]

2 hours ago, sandyk said:

 

WHEN WILL YOU AND MANSR GET IT THAT THIS IS THE JOB OF QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO PERFORM !!!.

 

 

Why would anyone with qualifications in the applicable fields waste their time investigating the audio equivalent of the paranormal?  

 

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8 minutes ago, rando said:

 

He said disregarding any formal self awareness of what highly qualified people actually do with hours of their time every day in this very same place.   

 

I haven't seen any of these highly qualified people step forward to investigate Sandy Alex's Magical Files.

[kumakuma]

31 minutes ago, Superdad said:

 

Just remember that in the earlier days of digital, few engineers paid attention to jitter.  And there was a time in doctors who were concerned with sterilizing surgical tools were ridiculed.  Now look where we are.

 

 

If we follow this logic to it's natural conclusion, no claims in any field of knowledge should ever be rejected because there is always the possibility that that they may be proven correct at the some point in the future.

[kumakuma]

8 hours ago, Superdad said:

 

Right.  And yet both Galileo and Newton were considered heretics at the time.

 

 

This is faulty logic along the lines of the Survivorship Fallacy.

 

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/238/Survivorship-Fallacy

 

By focusing on the few who have made outrageous claims and who were proven right, you are ignoring the tens of thousands who have made outrageous claims, were proven wrong, and have been forgotten forever.

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6 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

I have never used USB, but I don't like what I see in the circuits which receive the data, and pass it onto the D to A converter - to me, the ones I have looked at all have flaws in the implementation - no wonder people are struggling to get this right!!

 

So how are you connecting your DAC to your computer?

[kumakuma]

 

30 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

 

That’s like... a car mechanic giving advice  on troubleshooting a fuel injection system who has never seen anything other than a carburetor

 

Or the Wright brothers trying to fly an Airbus A320...

[kumakuma]

38 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

I always used CDs, and lately just used the circuitry of the computer alone, including its DAC, for playback. I have never used a DAC as a standalone component, ever - one reason why it's "easier" for me ... .

 

Hence all the generalities and hand-waving in your posts...

[kumakuma]

2 minutes ago, elcorso said:

 

 

 

Roch

 

PS/  Frank is an example.

 

An artist of BS, perhaps...

[kumakuma]

3 minutes ago, Allan F said:

 

Bearing in mind, of course, that it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide.

 

Dating yourself, counsellor.

[kumakuma]

2 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

What matters is that you can hear the character of the sound alter when you do something. Anything. If one always grabs onto the excuses of expectation bias, and human frailty, to explain something you didn't expect - then you're lost ...

 

 

The only time the sound of my system changes significantly is when I turn it off. 

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5 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

IOW, when you switch it on from dead cold, and immediately put on some ambitious recording at high volume it sounds as "perfect" as it does at any other time ... .

 

Not sure what an ambitious recording is...

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5 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

Glad to see that someone other than me has caught on to Frank's circular reasoning, endlessly repeated nonsense, and self contradiction. This is one merry-go-round that I'm glad I stepped off of!

 

You have to admire his stamina though... 3000+ posts essentially saying the same thing but in different words. 

[kumakuma]

28 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

How I see it is that the analogue side of the USB chain is often less than well implemented in terms of how the DAC is fed with data - meaning, the slightest variations, anywhere, impacts how well the DAC does its job. And this includes noise and interference from the digital side of the USB link - change the digital link ever so slightly, and the analogue areas are affected. Circuitry couldn't care less whether we label some part digital, and another part analoge; it's all a big electronic stew, which has to be designed and built well enough to do the job correctly.

 

Frank, you're like a nun teaching a sex education class.

 

You've already admitted you don't own a DAC, have never used a USB cable for audio, and only listen to your CD player.

 

[kumakuma]

8 minutes ago, jabbr said:

Right, end of story please.

 

 

[kumakuma]

Just now, Ralf11 said:

yes, but we need to photochop Frank in there

 

Which of the three is he?

[kumakuma]

12 minutes ago, fas42 said:

There's a rumour that many scientists are crap ...

 

The majority of people in any occupation are crap...

[kumakuma]

12 minutes ago, fas42 said:

A memorable pizza experience for me was a calzone - in Amsterdam. Wasn't that taken with the ones in Italy - I ended up with a rule, while over there: never eat the "national cuisine" in the country of origin - those that move to countries nearby put a bit more of their heart into it - the locals are only feeding tourists, .

 

A better rule would be not to eat in restaurants that cater to tourists.

[kumakuma]

5 hours ago, mansr said:

Sturgeon's law: 90% of everything is crap.

 

Also the Pareto Principle (80-20 rule).

[kumakuma]

4 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

 

according to the book on cheese I am reading right now, both species and forage are important

 

 

When it comes to cheese, everything matters.