USB audio cracked... finally!

[Doak]

1 hour ago, Superdad said:

 

Hi Peter:

(Before I comment, everyone here should know that there is much mutual respect between Peter and myself--well, really between Peter and John Swenson as myself I am nothing, not an engineer. )

 

Peter, I'll be sending you a PM to purchase your new cable.  I am nothing if not curious--and of course always looking to improve my music system!  

 

Best,

--Alex C.

 

Would love to read your comments on using the Lush USB cable with ISO Regen, Alex. 

Also curious about its use into compared to out of the unit. 

BTW: I am using a DIY USB connector from ISO Regen to DAC that I like more than the supplied USBPC because I find it more LUSH (hope that isn't a registered trademark).  

Doak 

[Doak]

2 hours ago, PeterSt said:

 

Hi - You can bet it is.

https://uk.lush.com

Haha... 

[Doak]

9 hours ago, Speed Racer said:

Let's see. So far you have the best DAC in the world, the best USB decrapifier in the world, the best USB cable in the world, and now the best speakers in the world.

 

Yet, somehow, I am not surprised......

I know speakers better than anything else after 45 yrs in this and I'd bet the wad that the Orelo is a true contender. 

[Doak]

1 hour ago, Doak said:

I know speakers better than anything else after 45 yrs in this and I'd bet the wad that the Orelo is a true contender. 

 

And my Lush 1m is due for delivery today. 

Will be interesting, no doubt. 

 

[Doak]

30 hours on the LUSH and first "serious" listen. 

Word that comes to mind is DENSE,, and I mean that in the best possible way. 

Which brings us back to LUSH. 

More later on after comparisons -- a few days at least. 

In no hurry to remove this cable from the system

[Doak]

17 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

I use the term "intense" - the impact of the music is such that it grabs you by the throat and doesn't let you go - in the nicest possible way ...

Glad I got the work part of the day behind me before I parked it in the Sweet Spot - have barely moved for the past few hours.

[Doak]

That cushion - my own design

The sound panels - not beige

The furnishings - before I added the large orange floral decorated pillows 

[Doak]

14 hours ago, PeterSt said:

 

Hi Doak - Yes, "dense" would be a most good description. I myself used different words for the same (and I forgot the words). Maybe I wrote it in the context of coherence (but at the micro level) and otherwise it would be the same as the individual transients which "connect" better. Anyway, it creates these firm / straight / taut string sounds, for example.

But please express it and all as you like. For now I only try to recognize whether it works out the same everywhere.

 

Thanks,

Peter

 

Today's obervation(s):

The gap between PCM and DSD has been all but closed. My DAC (see signature) has dedicated "engines" for each, and I've had a distinct preference for it's DSD playback.  What I'd noticed most with PCM was a some graininess at the edges of notes along with a slight hollowness. Listening through my PCM reference playlist today I do not detect a bit of either of those undesirable qualities. 

Words of the Day: REFINED & MEATY

[Doak]

 

All that matters is if it works.  I actually trust my ears, don't you?

Correct me please if it is not the case, but I think Peter has a 30 day refund policy. 

I expect very, very few of these cables are returned. 

[Doak]

Sorry I broke my own rule "Do Not Feed The Trolls.

The best way to extinguish a behavior is to ignore it -- no reinforcement. 

 

[Doak]

Suggestion: 

If you are actually interested in the item/topic under discussion here, please set about acquiring a LUSH USB cable, insert it into your music playback system for a while and then decide what you think about it.  

In the end, for YOU and your system, there is only one opinion that matters: YOURS.

 

Corollary: In MY system, MINE is the only one that matters. 

 

[Doak]

56 minutes ago, semente said:

 

I don't use a USB connection but am still interested in the topic.

What should I do?

Purely theoretical discussion on an applied subject is such a drag.. .

[Doak]

5 hours ago, Superdad said:

--Alex C.

 

P.S.  Please hurry and ship my 0.7m Lush USB cable when you can.

Must say that for some strange reason this strikes me as mildly amusing. 

 

[Doak]

1 hour ago, rickca said:

5V can be live even if the USB audio device doesn't use it.  I think Peter just means don't cut or tape over the 5V pin, but I agree we better get this confirmed.

Very interesting... Would like to have this verified.  

May explain some things.

 

[Doak]

1 hour ago, fas42 said:

 

A bug is just a word to use to say that the system isn't performing as well as it could, within the constraints of its design. So, a system will only be able to go so loud, before the amplifier starts clipping - the latter is deeply locked into the design, and is not worth trying to improve - but that is no impediment to the rig doing everything right up to that point; if a setup can't go loud without showing signs of stress, well, that's a bug.

 

Every time a system produces noticeable distortion, audible anomalies, that is a sign that something can be done to improve the performance. The only reason that I usually can pick the likely culprit is because I've spent years doing this, and one builds up a repertoire of understanding and intuition about where to look.

The problems that are being termed "bugs" here are things that I consider and call "elephants." 

IMO, reasonably experienced and competent audiophiles should have addressed most or all of the elephants in their systems.  Many of the "tweaks" we use and discuss here are more like "mice" compared to the basic system competences you cite. 

Not to say that the mice aren't important. As we've seen and learned, they make a significant contribution to the overall sound and enjoyment of a system. Could be just a different way of putting it, though I thought it an important distinction. 

[Doak]

43 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

A fair enough viewpoint. However, I make no such distinction - as an example, many systems may go loud, but are highly unpleasant when they do so. Subjectively, the impact may be "elephant", but the real cause is a "bug" - meaning that the answer won't necessarily be to get a really, really powerful amplifier: I have heard 15W amplifiers have far greater 'loudness' impact than 500W ones - because the latter haven't been "tweaked", but the former have ...

 

That's why they call it a "system."

[Doak]

1 minute ago, Theobetley said:

How do I order one again?

 

Lush USB Audio Cable

[Doak]

1 hour ago, Speed Racer said:

 

I don't buy into the expensive cable crap. And, by the way, there is no science to controvert that!

The only problem here appears to be the following "or/and" situation:

1. You cannot hear well enough to discern the things so many of us do hear and can reliably and collectively describe.

2. Your audio system performs at a level that does not allow you to hear what so many of us are hearing.

Both of these are your problem (not disgraceful, just factual).

Please see your way to discontinue making them our problem.

Wasting your time is one thing. 

Wasting ours is quite another. 

[Doak]

1 hour ago, Tone Deaf said:

That's actually pretty funny.  You are expecting the folks who don't care about proof to provide it to those who do care about it?  I think you are addressing the wrong audience....

Perfectly put. 

[Doak]

54 minutes ago, tapatrick said:

Yes. Me too, Absolutely love the ignore user feature. No burn in needed, one click and peace is restored without any debate or discussion. Bye bye, Love it. ?

Thanks for mentioning this amazingly, gratifyingly useful feature of which I have herefore not used to my advantage. 

 

[Doak]

I've found that I MUCH prefer the Lush BEFORE the ISORegen with the USPCB connecting the ISORegen to the DAC.

Try it?

[Doak]

7 hours ago, tipunch said:

Hello,

@kennyb123 and Doak and all others

 

Have you try the Lush alone?

(Direct to DAC and without ISORegen and USPCB)

 

Best regards

Yes, I did and preferred current setup.

Has been quite a while though and a very easy swap, so will revisit today.

Thanks.

[Doak]

Yes,,, I must admit that I've been "fooling myself" for all of these years.

It is true, there is no way science can explain how I can tell a Strat from an SG on the very first note played, so it cannot be real.

Mea culpa. 

(ok, i'm done .... this thread is officially dead. such a shame too, adios)

[Doak]

11 minutes ago, manisandher said:

 

 

Why do you say that? I thought everyone was behaving themselves quite well...

 

Mani.

OK,,, dead to me then. 

I've music to listen to. 

[Doak]

1 hour ago, PeterSt said:

 

People don't need to misbehave in order to kill a thread.

Moderation on staying on topic is desired. But the one who should do that is the first to step out of line ? (this is figurative but you'll understand)

 

I suggest politics now.

.... and one more thing:

Thank You for the Lush cable, Peter.

Yes, I know I paid you for it but you also deserve to be paid the compliment.