Daudio Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Nothing like Amir to bring out the worst of the rif raf and mentally disturbed MikeyFresh 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Daudio Posted June 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2017 8 hours ago, firedog said: Can't blame Amir for that. True, true. I didn't really mean to tar him, of whom I only know a sketchy rep, but to comment on the mobbing of the meter-readers and bully-boys of CA Teresa, Keith_W and MikeyFresh 3 Link to comment
Popular Post Daudio Posted June 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2017 1 hour ago, jabbr said: and Uh, oh, could it be another "My meter is Bigger then Yours" battle brewing ? lucretius and Middy 2 Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 22 minutes ago, Fitzcaraldo215 said: Alex says he will not sell to Amir for undisclosed PERSONAL reasons Careful, you're getting too presidential there, and not helping anything Alex clearly stated his reasons a number of times, in this thread !! It pays to pay attention Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 59 minutes ago, jabbr said: So, assuming this is valid with a larger number of evaluators I have seen it valid on the previous model; much larger number of evaluators. 59 minutes ago, jabbr said: a proper measurement would be able to distinguish something that is audible I suggest that "suggest" is a better word here Tone Deaf 1 Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, pkane2001 said: Not confused at all, but this is irrelevant to the topic. There are plenty of optical isolators that work at 480Mbs. What's your point? Dance, monkey, dance... Link to comment
Popular Post Daudio Posted June 5, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2017 3 hours ago, Jud said: merely labeling two items as different can cause people to discern some difference between the two that doesn't exist. Oh, Good Grief ! Some people can hear differences between two exactly similar items too. So What ? There is no useful information in the labels (or no labels), it is just random noise, if such meaningless attributes influence a particular listener via their personal associations, that is still noise. Noise that will recede as the number of test subjects increases. There is very limited interaction with the test giver (UTA), so that any reasonable influence (as in the "Clever Hans" example) is minimized (quasi-double blind ?). You and imitchie contributed your data points to a small blind test. Now unblind test results are streaming in supporting these early results. The rest is sour grapes and bullying... Why you waste your precious time stooping to respond to these ridiculous, arguments for arguments sake, or, more likely, for partisan warfare, or even for troll points, is beyond me PeterSt and Teresa 2 Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 31 minutes ago, jabbr said: Thanks Peter these are very helpful. j, and All, Word to the wise: Could you please only quote a small part of large posts ? This thread is already a scrolling nightmare Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jud said: The best reason to respond is because... I think your trees are hiding the forest 7 minutes ago, Jud said: I definitely don't feel bullied by Dennis Other have a different feeling And that comment was about the whole thread, not just this particular interaction. Link to comment
Popular Post Daudio Posted June 5, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2017 29 minutes ago, Fitzcaraldo215 said: no evidence anywhere that Amir has "an agenda to do Alex's firm harm." Maybe nothing that would work in Court, but so what ? There's a strong supposition, that is likely enough. And his bias is evident from many of his writings. But, regardless, his improper testing procedures have been uncovered, so his intent doesn't really matter, his output is simply untrustworthy. christopher3393 and Teresa 2 Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 hour ago, rb2013 said: The ONLY truth is the smile on one's face while listening to great music. ahhh... do you mean 'listening to great music in great sound' ? I'm suprised at how often on CA I see those two basic ideas conflated. It's really quite odd considering our common hobby !?! semente 1 Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 45 minutes ago, Fitzcaraldo215 said: If Swenson wants to be a big boy audio engineer, which he was not... plus an adequate understanding of audio measurement... going off on flights of ... For over the top assholery, I now, with great relief, throw you into my IGNORED USERS list ! MikeyFresh 1 Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 26 minutes ago, semente said: Listening won't be of much use I also add you to my IGNORED USERS list for severe cluelessness. No need to waste further time reading nonsense. Link to comment
Popular Post Daudio Posted June 5, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2017 14 minutes ago, mmerrill99 said: Yes, it's really bedazzling how deep down the rabbit hole some people can go Bedazzling for a little bit, but sloughing thru bullshit can ruin your day. I've discovered that I can ignore the crap and a_holes and enjoy a better quality of information, and quality of life, whatever's left Teresa and cpvniii 2 Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 re: the sound of jitter... 37 minutes ago, rb2013 said: Would surprise me - but of course logic would argue against that Logic ?!?! Unless you have a logic diagram of all the connections and pathways of the audiophile hearing systems in the brain, I don't see how 'logic' has anything to do with it ! How folks respond to the sound of jitter can only be measured, not reasoned, or intuited. But of course, you knew that, and it was only a slip of the tongue Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, jabbr said: there are fundamentally different types, with different underlying mechanisms and which presumably have very different "sounds" I would go along with the "different sounds", but not the "very". Why do you assume they would sound significantly different ? Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 58 minutes ago, jabbr said: Just because in my experience different waveforms have different sounds. White noise vs sine wave vs squarewave are each very different to me , for example I see, but then those waveforms are quite different in character compared to statistical distributions of 'phase error'. I can see it more like noise through. Hopefully we shall know one day, if someone can put together some relevant experiments. But only ones that can stand up to the scrutiny of the tough crowd here at 'Amateur Scientist' jabbr 1 Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 hour ago, AJ Soundfield said: Sound more like Jud is beta testing different versions of the device vs each other, rather than Regen vs no Regen Duh, that's what he has been saying thru dozens of post, re-posts, quotes, re-quotes, til I'm sick of reading the same simple, straightforward listening report over and over and over again ! And in most cases it was repeated due to some 'questioner' with IMHO a less then honorable agenda I'm not saying that is you. maybe you are just catching up with a thread I've watched since the beginning, but, it does give me pause... It is what it is. move on... ShawnC 1 Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, jtwrace said: I guess it will continue to go on the merry-go-around with purely subjective views. Yes, as it should be, since they are the only relevant measure of a device intended for use by human ears. Get used to it ! Look over the content of the CA forums, and you'll find the majority of posts are listening reports, listening comparisons, guesses as to how various gear combinations might sound, requests for listener opinions, and so on. Measurements are few and far between ! With all the aggressively vocal 'objectivists' here on CA you might think it would be different, but no. And most of the DIY measurements I have seen here were, to be kind, lame And when pinned to the wall, as has happened in this thread, their arguments generally fall away like chaff from the wheat. I have no problem with technical measurements. There are absolutely necessary, but are only part of the tool kit. I have a big problem with people who think that they are the only tool. I respect them as much as I would respect a man who went into a machine gun fight armed only with a sword. Some may applaud his bravery. I only see a dead fool... CA is rife with misunderstanding and myths about human hearing, and thus does a disservice to all audiophiles. Jud's long post a little ways back is a case in point. He in some ways acts as a kind of a Computer Audiophile institutional memory, which is really great, but... I don't have time to go into detail now, but that post was laden with myths and misapprehensions that have built up over time here with the eager assistance of the bully boys of the extreme 'objectionist' faction. Not exactly a free exchange of ideas So please cut out this ridiculous dismissal of the power of human hearing. It only makes you less smart P.S. this is not just for @jtwrace, but for everyone who thinks listening reports are useless (and you know who you are) Teresa 1 Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 17 minutes ago, AJ Soundfield said: OTOH, objective claims are. Especially when "White Papers" are posited for objective claims. Oh my, an Objective Extremist ! Well, you did kind of wear your biases on your sleeve, with "friend of Amir", "member of AES" 23 minutes ago, AJ Soundfield said: I have no issue with any such device being bought for purely subjective reasons. Well, you have surely missed the point of my post, and declared your opposition to all things 'subjective' as you belittle it so sweetly. Continue on now sharpening your sword. P.S, I generally find that it's better for newbies to lurk for a little, or long, while before jumping into a fray without knowing the territory. Otherwise it tends to end badly... Albrecht 1 Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 17 minutes ago, crenca said: the underlying quicksand that so much of "audiophiledom" rests on. The manufactures... Can we spell a-g-e-n-d-a ?? Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 11 minutes ago, crenca said: While I would encourage you to encourage others to "tone down" the personal attacks, this thread is in some ways getting to the root of the matter in a way I do not recall happening here at CA On this we agree !! Through I do remember a long, contentious, thread that got to the bottom of the serious problems with DBT/ABX. Chris made that one go invisible... Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, AJ Soundfield said: I said there were no details of the bias suppression/test methods. You could be biased by just the lettering. That isn't the point. You stated the tests were "unbiased". I asked, via what methods? How many trials, etc, etc. IOW, details critical to "unbiased", valid listening tests. Asked and answered previously in this thread (many times). All you have to to is to go back through the thread and read. Or, go to Jud's Profile page and read his past activity. Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, crenca said: Well yes, manufactures have an agenda... I find that ridiculous. The situation is far more complex and nuanced then that, and I really have no use for such misplaced obsessions and misinformation. Thus you get to join my 'Ignored Users' list crenca 1 Link to comment
Daudio Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 33 minutes ago, christopher3393 said: To try to demonstrate that this is relevant to meta-questions provoked by threads like this Gentlemen, While I confess to following along with some interest to this digression, it is clearly Off Topic, and this is a confusing enough thread. Would you please start your own thread on this ? TIA ----------------------------------------------- While I'm at it, and this is directed to every poster, I am getting really tired of trying to read this thread and having to scroll over the same post, quoted in it's entirety, over and over and over again, or even just once ! It doesn't add anything, and makes it harder to get see what you have to say that's new. I assume that most of you feel the same way, when you think about it So please, try and get in the habit of selecting some relevant text in a post, and click on the little pop-up 'Quote This' button. It will start your reply with only that text, not the whole thing ! You can go back and do it again for other points, but the point is to minimize the useless 'noise' in your signal.. uhh.. post. Then you can write a nice long reply of your own, and have a better chance of your 'pearls of wisdom' being seen TIA (or you can just punch the 'Quote' button under the post and select and delete the unnecessary quoted text. Many ways to the goal, choose yours...) Link to comment
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