Article: JPLAY for iOS Is Now Available

[tom_on_wheels]

9 minutes ago, PavelDosko said:

Hello. I installed version 1.0.3 on my iPad, it keeps crashing. I uninstalled the app, restarted the iPad and installed it again, the situation is the same, crash after about 30 seconds,

Same happened to me when updating the app via App Store. One year old iPad 9.

 

Deleting the app and reinstalling solved the problem, after indexing library everything works well.

[PavelDosko]

As I write above - I uninstalled, restarted the iPad, installed and the crashes still continue, I can't even get to indexing the library

[stefano_mbp]

@mnuno10 … and the most important thing is that it’s impossible to select a Work of a certain Composer and obtain all the albums where that Work is played, neither is possible to obtain a list of Conductors, Artists, Solists involved in that Work from which I can choose the album … Classical music needs much more sophisticated searching/browsing criteria than other genres and this is where Minimserver intelligent browsing is really very useful … so why I wouldn’t use it?

[tom_on_wheels]

@PavelDoskoSorry to hear this...

 

You are right, I had to restart the iPad, too. But than it worked again.

[mnuno10]

27 minutes ago, PavelDosko said:

As I write above - I uninstalled, restarted the iPad, installed and the crashes still continue, I can't even get to indexing the library

That's odd. Can you tell what device you are using and what is the OS version?

 

23 minutes ago, stefano_mbp said:

@mnuno10 … and the most important thing is that it’s impossible to select a Work of a certain Composer and obtain all the albums where that Work is played, neither is possible to obtain a list of Conductors, Artists, Solists involved in that Work from which I can choose the album … Classical music needs much more sophisticated searching/browsing criteria than other genres and this is where Minimserver intelligent browsing is really very useful … so why I wouldn’t use it?

Yes, I understand that, and it is a totally valid use case.

But will always be a little confusing using the two ways of browsing, because synced items in the app are totally different from MinimServer ones. If you are in album/track details in "By Folder", when you tap an artist the app should open the "Synced Artist" screen or search/try to open that artist in the MinimServer? 

 

[PavelDosko]

iPad 2020 128 cell+wifi, iOS 16

[PavelDosko]

dtto on my iPhone 11 ... really I do not know why

[mnuno10]

3 minutes ago, PavelDosko said:

dtto on my iPhone 11 ... really I do not know why

Didn't understand. It happens the same on your iPhone 11?

It happens when you are doing some "especial" thing? Or it happen randomly?

[PavelDosko]

after the start of the Qobuz synchronization, the application crashes, the same when trying to synchronize the Minimserver - the synchronization is not completed on either platform. I'll leave the other attempts for the evening. On my iPad and on iPhone too

[tom_on_wheels]

10 minutes ago, mnuno10 said:

Didn't understand. It happens the same on your iPhone 11?

It happens when you are doing some "especial" thing? Or it happen randomly?

In my case iPad with IOS 16.2 the app didn't open. I was touching the JPlay Icon, it started to open but immediately it was closing again. Reinstall and reboot helped.

[stefano_mbp]

1 hour ago, mnuno10 said:

If you are in album/track details in "By Folder", when you tap an artist the app should open the "Synced Artist" screen or search/try to open that artist in the MinimServer?

I cannot find the “Synced Artist” screen but the “Search artist” option is there and it works

[mnuno10]

1 minute ago, stefano_mbp said:

I cannot find the “Synced Artist” screen but the “Search artist” option is there and it works

What I mean by "Synced Artist" is an local artist that show up in "My Library" -> "Artists" and "Local Network" -> "Artists". Basically artists that app "creates" when indexing/syncing local libraries.

If you open one of these artists it will not open the same screen as if you are navigating to "MinimServer" -> "All Artists" -> ARTIST in "By Folders" section.

Sorry, I don't know if I'm making myself clear. 

 

[stefano_mbp]

7 minutes ago, mnuno10 said:

What I mean by "Synced Artist" is an local artist that show up in "My Library" -> "Artists" and "Local Network" -> "Artists". Basically artists that app "creates" when indexing/syncing local libraries.

If you open one of these artists it will not open the same screen as if you are navigating to "MinimServer" -> "All Artists" -> ARTIST in "By Folders" section.

Sorry, I don't know if I'm making myself clear. 

 

Perfectly clear, thanks.

Now I need to play a little bit to get used to these browsing modes …

[stefano_mbp]

@mnuno10 @Marcin_gps just realized that total album/tracks shown in the home page are less (-8/-24 albums/tracks) than what is shown in the By folders/Minimserver root page

Is there any log of the scan task that can be investigated?

[PavelDosko]

so at least a little progress - if I only have MinimServer and JPLAY femtoServer in the application libraries, the application is stable, if I add Qobuz it starts crashing and never finishes downloading Qobuz favorites. The 1.0.3 application behaves the same way for me on iPad and iPhone. The Qobuz account is valid and plays without problems on a desktop computer (outside of the main HiFi setup).

[Marcin_gps]

1 hour ago, PavelDosko said:

so at least a little progress - if I only have MinimServer and JPLAY femtoServer in the application libraries, the application is stable, if I add Qobuz it starts crashing and never finishes downloading Qobuz favorites. The 1.0.3 application behaves the same way for me on iPad and iPhone. The Qobuz account is valid and plays without problems on a desktop computer (outside of the main HiFi setup).

Can you enable logs, reproduce the issue and send us the log file? 

[PavelDosko]

sent to JPLAY support

[Mike Rubin]

Good news:  The new version has found the JRiver server, allowed me to index it, and has found it again over several iPad reboots and app restarts.  Because of that, I don’t have display anomalies with multi-disc sets.

 

Bad news:  Removing a server continues to crash the app.  Running an update also crashes out the app. In both cases, I am dumped back to the desktop.  In the latter case, I have to do a full scan in order to add a single album to the collection.  In the long run, that isn’t acceptable.
 

I know my use case isn’t typical. I have almost 23,000 albums and about 185k tracks in an aggregation of digitized vinyl, ripped CD’s, and downloads of various resolutions that I began accumulating almost 60 years ago. I also worked at a company that markets digitized music and it was easy to obtain music from my employer at a good price, as well.  So my library is pointlessly huge. I have upgraded thousands of MP3’s by replacing them with larger and higher resolution FLAC and DSD’s.  To be certain, I am more of a music hoarder than collector, but, in any event, I acknowledge that indexing and managing my collection can’t be easy for a music manager app.  In fact, JPlay wouldn’t be the first such app that my library has brought to its knees.  With indexing occurring on the iPad in addition to the server, scalability in an app like this always is going to be an issue.  I hope JPlay can fix this, but I wonder to what degree we are bumping up against mobile device hardware limitations with a library of this size.  If I were Marcin and Mario, I would just take the position that the product isn’t intended for collections above a certain size and focus my attention on making the app work better for the 99% of the population with more manageable libraries.

[Norton]

JPLAY app (1.0.3) now working fine  with Oppo205 as endpoint.  All Setup options unchecked and (thanks for Marcin’s advice) update time set to 20.  

 

To my ears does sound better than with  either MConnect or JRemote.  Very nice with 24/192 Qobuz and Oppo.
 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

13 minutes ago, Mike Rubin said:

Good news:  The new version has found the JRiver server, allowed me to index it, and has found it again over several iPad reboots and app restarts.  Because of that, I don’t have display anomalies with multi-disc sets.

 

Bad news:  Removing a server continues to crash the app.  Running an update also crashes out the app. In both cases, I am dumped back to the desktop.  In the latter case, I have to do a full scan in order to add a single album to the collection.  In the long run, that isn’t acceptable.
 

I know my use case isn’t typical. I have almost 23,000 albums and about 185k tracks in an aggregation of digitized vinyl, ripped CD’s, and downloads of various resolutions that I began accumulating almost 60 years ago. I also worked at a company that markets digitized music and it was easy to obtain music from my employer at a good price, as well.  So my library is pointlessly huge. I have upgraded thousands of MP3’s by replacing them with larger and higher resolution FLAC and DSD’s.  To be certain, I am more of a music hoarder than collector, but, in any event, I acknowledge that indexing and managing my collection can’t be easy for a music manager app.  In fact, JPlay wouldn’t be the first such app that my library has brought to its knees.  With indexing occurring on the iPad in addition to the server, scalability in an app like this always is going to be an issue.  I hope JPlay can fix this, but I wonder to what degree we are bumping up against mobile device hardware limitations with a library of this size.  If I were Marcin and Mario, I would just take the position that the product isn’t intended for collections above a certain size and focus my attention on making the app work better for the 99% of the population with more manageable libraries.

I have the library crash issue again. It was resolved in an earlier version, but is back. 

 

I sent a log into them.

[Runsilent]

Just a quick shout out to Marcin and Peter for the recent Jplay & Lumin updates. Jplay detects my X1 without issue now—thanks for that. I’m liking this app! It’s blazing fast and sounds better than any other control app I’ve tried. I can understand it sounding better than Roon due to all the network traffic that Roon requires but sounding better than Lumin’s app for example? I don’t quite understand that. Even more weird is increasing the update time in settings seems to sound better. Still experimenting with it but curious if anyone else has messed around with that setting and noticed any change in sound quality.
 

There’s some operational quirks with Jplay that I’m working through but I’m being patient and keeping an open mind. Overall, I like the layout of the app and find it easier to navigate than something like Lumin’s app. I also discovered that Jplay can open liner note pdf’s on my local network (minimserver /Synology NAS).  
 

There’s a ton of potential here I think with this app.

[AudioDoctor]

I just can't get the app to crash, no matter what I do. I have tried all of the things mentioned here that caused others a crash and nothing. I am almost sad to admit that it's working perfectly here guys.

[AudioDoctor]

I have tried on an M1 iPad and an M1 Mac and it just continues to do its thing without problems.

[stefano_mbp]

5 hours ago, Runsilent said:

I also discovered that Jplay can open liner note pdf’s on my local network (minimserver /Synology NAS).  

How did you get it?

[Mike Rubin]

13 hours ago, Mike Rubin said:

Good news:  The new version has found the JRiver server, allowed me to index it, and has found it again over several iPad reboots and app restarts.  Because of that, I don’t have display anomalies with multi-disc sets.

 

As it happens, I had to assign my PC a new reserved IP address for reasons unrelated to JPlay. I didn’t think about JRiver’s connections on the network when I did this, but soon realized that I would regret moving JRiver from its former address, because JPlay once again isn’t discovering JRiver. 

 

I acknowledge that it was my messing with the PC IP address that broke the connection between JRiver and JPlay, but it also broke the JRiver connections with Mconnect on iOS and with all the Android controllers on my phone.  Changing the address also disconnected Audirvāna from its controller on both iOS and Android and HQPlayer Desktop from HQPD Control on both platforms.  I am sorry to say that only JPlay failed to find the JRiver server after new scans or manual entry of the new IP address where required.  
 

If JRiver pops up again in JPlay after a scan, I again will connect it, scan it, and hope it stays connected for as long as the PC remains on its reserved IP address.  In the meantime, I will revert to MinimServer with its oddball handling of multidisc sets and hope for a better day.