Euphony OS w/Stylus player setup and issues thread

[PavelDosko]

On 15. 6. 2022 at 13:13, flkin said:

Nějaké aktualizace novinek:

 

Final v4 je plánován na konec tohoto měsíce. A nainstaluje se do stávajícího oddílu v3, takže hudební soubory a seznamy skladeb v3 zůstanou nedotčené a měly by fungovat. 
 

V příští aktualizaci nám bude umožněno přidat oddíl EUPHONY_MUSIC neaktivní instalace Euphony do aktuální knihovny. Bohužel playlisty uživatelů z tohoto oddílu stále nebudou fungovat. 

 

Nepořádek s kopírováním hudby z oddílu v3 pro přístup k verzi 4 narušil třídění mých alb. Jsem rád, že se to vyřeší, a opravdu se těším na konečné vydání koncem měsíce. 😄 👍🏻

 

[Smaragdhk]

“Final v4 targeted for end of this month…”

thats not a final deadline, just a target ;)

[dc-audiogeek]

Considering the beta was promised for January and was delivered in June, I don't think we'll see the final version for a while yet. 

[Dev]

Its over a month with the trial v4 and mine expired. what are folks doing with the trials ? do I need to file a ticket to extend the trial ?

[BCRich]

2 hours ago, Dev said:

Its over a month with the trial v4 and mine expired. what are folks doing with the trials ? do I need to file a ticket to extend the trial ?

Yes...

[genvirt]

2 hours ago, Dev said:

Its over a month with the trial v4 and mine expired. what are folks doing with the trials ? do I need to file a ticket to extend the trial ?

I believe yes. Open the tickets and I pretty sure that You'll got an extension.

[flkin]

17 hours ago, PavelDosko said:

Nějaké aktualizace novinek: 

 

Final v4 je plánován na konec tohoto měsíce. A nainstaluje se do stávajícího oddílu v3, takže hudební soubory a seznamy skladeb v3 zůstanou nedotčené a měly by fungovat. 
 

V příští aktualizaci nám bude umožněno přidat oddíl EUPHONY_MUSIC neaktivní instalace Euphony do aktuální knihovny. Bohužel playlisty uživatelů z tohoto oddílu stále nebudou fungovat.  

 

Nepořádek s kopírováním hudby z oddílu v3 pro přístup k verzi 4 narušil třídění mých alb. Jsem rád, že se to vyřeší, a opravdu se těším na konečné vydání koncem měsíce. 😄 👍🏻

 

17 hours ago, Smaragdhk said:

“Final v4 targeted for end of this month…”

thats not a final deadline, just a target ;)

 

Yeah, that's what Željko said at around that time, probably his target and hope. Software development is ALWAYS late... but I'm pretty certain our trial versions will be allowed to continue to work until the final v4 comes out. Just takes opening a support ticket and the time will be extended.

 

If it's rushed, we'll have a final v4 with bugs. If we wait for a more stable version, less chance of it messing up our v3 partition and settings - really looking forward to v4 working with my v3 playlists. 

 

But like most here, I'm also eager to see how the sound changes when v4 final is installed into the internal drive rather than via a USB drive 

[Lukasluis]

On 6/21/2022 at 5:29 PM, msb1 said:

About 15 days go my Asus Motherboard failed and had to be sent back for replacement. This PC uses an AMD Ryzen 7 3700x processor with 16GB ECC RAM powered by a Hdplex LPSU  400W DC-ATX supply.

 

I had an old Gigabyte Motherboard with an Intel Pentium Dual Core CPU and 8GB DDR3 RAM lying which I thought I would try with Euphony V4. Everything installed smoothly and I was surprised at how good it sounded in comparison to the AMD 3700x.

 

During this time I also got my hands on the AMD 4700s kit with 16gb DDR6 RAM.

 

I got the Asus motherboard back a few days ago and compared all 3. I played around with different settings (CPU frequency, isolation, etc.) and to my ears, the old Pentium sounds the best (quieter, darker backgrounds and warmer). I compared them using Roon as well as stylus.

 

Has anyone had a similar experience?

Is the Pentium dual core happen to be 4th gen? I'm liking my old Intel 4th gen i5 on an Asus motherboard too. Sounds more natural than my 7th gen and 8th gen NUCs

[Smaragdhk]

New update today with plenty of fixes :)

20220707

- fixed Queue: make space for last song's context menu

- fixed Queue: no jumping to current song after removing songs from queue

- fixed Youtube playlist display

- fixed song list display for album

- fixed race condition issue with buffering

- fixed race condition issue with queuing next song for HQP

- fixed search suggestions for Tidal & Qobuz

- fixed samba sharing activating when not enabled

- allow receiving feature updates without doing 'Complete installation'

- prevent changing kernels while in ramroot

- attempt to parse m3u playlist with full-path songs

- preparing for subscription-based licenses 20220628

- Simplified registration

- no regcode anymore

- Fixed obtaining available frequencies for some boards

- Fixed rate display (mostly during UPnP playback)

- Fixed bug occurring when Consume is ON

- Fixed Buffering problems when 'Buffer album added to queue' is on

- Fixed Webradio playback for stations already in queue

- Fixed Temp display for some boards 20220620

- Fixed adding Qobuz/TIDAL playlist to queue

- Fixed browser context menu activating on album cover touch-hold (and hold timeout lowered to 1sec)

- Fixed webradio paging

- Fixed webradio Tunein browsing

- Fixed one startup error

- Fixed switching between 'album' and 'queue' playback modes

- Attempted fix for correct bit display in signal path

- Search works inside local favorites when favorites are ON

- Added 'Reset DAC' option

- Euphony data partition from another Euphony install can now be added to library 20220614

- Fix for UPnP devices with bad song duration reporting

- Fix Temperature display and frequencies options for some mobos

- Fix for Radio playback 20220612

- Fixed EuphonyUPnP playback

- Fixed a bug in playback to UPnP endpoints

- Updated list of extensions that HQPlayer supports (mp3 and wavpack (wv) added) 20220609

- Show HQPlayer device panel when selected audio system includes HQPlayer

- Added CPU threshold field to Expert settings

- CTRL/Meta + click on pause button (or hold) issues stop command, normal click issues pause command

- Minor adjustments to album grid look

- Fixed 'Restart Stylus' and 'Restart StylusEP' actions on Audio systems page

- Fixed Spotify device startup in case when wrong credentials are entered

- Possible fix for Power button not causing shutdown 20220607

- Fixed playback problems after reboot

- Fixed playback to remote HQPe

- Fixed adding network shares 20220607

- Fixed Roon backup restore problems

- Fixed problems after reboot with linked drives added to library

- Fixed playback problems after reboot

- Ability to add single song to queue from Files view (like in v3)

- Button to view Changes Log in: Settings - System - System info

- Lowered CPU threshold that prevents playback in some cases

- Adding network shares improved (removed Ver. field: all SMB versions are tried before returning failure)

- removed a lot of extraneous logging

- fix for RC not always working 20220603

- Some changes to Files view navigation

- Enabled more verbose startup log to help with problem diagnostic

- This is image update to generate more stable start image 20220602

- Fix for shutdown after updating to 20220601 (install this update inside 2 minutes from boot and this will stop shutdown of current 20220601 version) 20220601

- Fixed Roonserver & RoonBridge startup

- Added suport for WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE format in convolution filter WAV files

- Fixed missing 'track' tags (full library rescan needed to pick up missing track tags)

- Fixed displaying/adding/removing favorites for TIDAL and Qobuz

- Minor changes to search-panel

- Changed hostname from euphonyprep to euphony 20220529

- Fix HQPe startup when playing to NAA 20220528

- Fix switching between HQPe and Stylus 20220527

- First beta open to public 20210803 - Initial test release

[msb1]

2 hours ago, Lukasluis said:

Is the Pentium dual core happen to be 4th gen? I'm liking my old Intel 4th gen i5 on an Asus motherboard too. Sounds more natural than my 7th gen and 8th gen NUCs

I think this is the 3rd gen.

[dc-audiogeek]

3 hours ago, Smaragdhk said:

New update today with plenty of fixes :)

20220707

- fixed Queue: make space for last song's context menu

- fixed Queue: no jumping to current song after removing songs from queue

- fixed Youtube playlist display

- fixed song list display for album

- fixed race condition issue with buffering

- fixed race condition issue with queuing next song for HQP

- fixed search suggestions for Tidal & Qobuz

- fixed samba sharing activating when not enabled

- allow receiving feature updates without doing 'Complete installation'

- prevent changing kernels while in ramroot

- attempt to parse m3u playlist with full-path songs

- preparing for subscription-based licenses 20220628

- Simplified registration

- no regcode anymore

- Fixed obtaining available frequencies for some boards

- Fixed rate display (mostly during UPnP playback)

- Fixed bug occurring when Consume is ON

- Fixed Buffering problems when 'Buffer album added to queue' is on

- Fixed Webradio playback for stations already in queue

- Fixed Temp display for some boards 20220620

- Fixed adding Qobuz/TIDAL playlist to queue

- Fixed browser context menu activating on album cover touch-hold (and hold timeout lowered to 1sec)

- Fixed webradio paging

- Fixed webradio Tunein browsing

- Fixed one startup error

- Fixed switching between 'album' and 'queue' playback modes

- Attempted fix for correct bit display in signal path

- Search works inside local favorites when favorites are ON

- Added 'Reset DAC' option

- Euphony data partition from another Euphony install can now be added to library 20220614

- Fix for UPnP devices with bad song duration reporting

- Fix Temperature display and frequencies options for some mobos

- Fix for Radio playback 20220612

- Fixed EuphonyUPnP playback

- Fixed a bug in playback to UPnP endpoints

- Updated list of extensions that HQPlayer supports (mp3 and wavpack (wv) added) 20220609

- Show HQPlayer device panel when selected audio system includes HQPlayer

- Added CPU threshold field to Expert settings

- CTRL/Meta + click on pause button (or hold) issues stop command, normal click issues pause command

- Minor adjustments to album grid look

- Fixed 'Restart Stylus' and 'Restart StylusEP' actions on Audio systems page

- Fixed Spotify device startup in case when wrong credentials are entered

- Possible fix for Power button not causing shutdown 20220607

- Fixed playback problems after reboot

- Fixed playback to remote HQPe

- Fixed adding network shares 20220607

- Fixed Roon backup restore problems

- Fixed problems after reboot with linked drives added to library

- Fixed playback problems after reboot

- Ability to add single song to queue from Files view (like in v3)

- Button to view Changes Log in: Settings - System - System info

- Lowered CPU threshold that prevents playback in some cases

- Adding network shares improved (removed Ver. field: all SMB versions are tried before returning failure)

- removed a lot of extraneous logging

- fix for RC not always working 20220603

- Some changes to Files view navigation

- Enabled more verbose startup log to help with problem diagnostic

- This is image update to generate more stable start image 20220602

- Fix for shutdown after updating to 20220601 (install this update inside 2 minutes from boot and this will stop shutdown of current 20220601 version) 20220601

- Fixed Roonserver & RoonBridge startup

- Added suport for WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE format in convolution filter WAV files

- Fixed missing 'track' tags (full library rescan needed to pick up missing track tags)

- Fixed displaying/adding/removing favorites for TIDAL and Qobuz

- Minor changes to search-panel

- Changed hostname from euphonyprep to euphony 20220529

- Fix HQPe startup when playing to NAA 20220528

- Fix switching between HQPe and Stylus 20220527

- First beta open to public 20210803 - Initial test release

That's a list of all the fixes since the first beta. I think the first 12 in that list are relevant to the latest version.

[c-w]

3 hours ago, Smaragdhk said:

20220707

- fixed Queue: make space for last song's context menu

- fixed Queue: no jumping to current song after removing songs from queue

- fixed Youtube playlist display

- fixed song list display for album

- fixed race condition issue with buffering

- fixed race condition issue with queuing next song for HQP

- fixed search suggestions for Tidal & Qobuz

- fixed samba sharing activating when not enabled

- allow receiving feature updates without doing 'Complete installation'

- prevent changing kernels while in ramroot

- attempt to parse m3u playlist with full-path songs

- preparing for subscription-based licenses

 

[Lukasluis]

9 hours ago, msb1 said:

I think this is the 3rd gen.

Thanks. I'll try my 4th gen Pentium too

[flkin]

10 hours ago, c-w said:

- preparing for subscription-based licenses

 

Given that recent buyers of v3 has v4 included, I suppose this means Euphony is switching to the Roon model where you can either pay an expensive one-time fee which doesn't expire or opt for a low priced monthly fee. 🤔

 

One thing I noticed in 0707, don't click the new ignore button for devices (settings). Itchy fingers made me do it for my uPNP device and I couldn't get it to appear again after that. If you did, you'd then have to open a browser developer console and execute the command:

 

changeAudioField("uuid........", "ignored",""); uuid..... being the id for the ignored device to get it back. 

 

Or open a ticket to get help, which is what I did...

[al2813]

I would expect that V3 users who also participated actively in the beta program including taking time to feedback issues - small or big - would get a permanent V4 licence.....

[Csaba]

It would be a nice option to have a "lite" version of Euphony as an operating system, that would run only Roon and HQPlayer for users who don't use Stylus.

[al2813]

2 hours ago, al2813 said:

I would expect that V3 users who also participated actively in the beta program including taking time to feedback issues - small or big - would get a permanent V4 licence.....

 Meant of course the ability to purchase a permanent licence for a decent price - not get one for free. 

[flkin]

Latest on subscription:

 

“Details will be announced very soon on our website. 
Upgrade license will be worth 1 or 2 years (your choice) after which you can buy monthly or yearly subscription.”

[PavelDosko]

hm... so the purchased unlimited V3 version (which has not changed at all in a year) will be replaced by a V4 subscription. Yes, everyone can decide, both the merchant and the customer

[Yiakubou]

Honestly this is a big no no for me. I don't understand why a piece of SW such as Euphony needs a subscription based model. I can understand it for stuff like Roon, which is kinda like a live service with lots of activities going on in cloud / background. For Euphony I don't get it. Not to mention, that from a subscription based service I would expect much better software QA, better UI, etc. I mean seriously, some of the bugs that I have found during beta (and reported) tell me they don't spend a lot of time on software testing. And I had no problem with that because it was kinda fun and I felt I'm doing my part to support a small startup team that is trying to make a very unique product. Let's see the price, but I'm seriously disappointed with their approach.

[Gbn]

mi sembra che sul sito sia ancora scritto che chi ha acquistato da poco la versione 3 abbia diritto alla vers. 4 gratis, non credo che dicano una cosa per un altra

[Yiakubou]

Yeah, that's what they say. But what is recently? And for how long the free v4 licence will be valid? None of that is clear...

[c-w]

On 2/21/2022 at 2:34 AM, di-fi said:

“Only people who very recently (around the v4 announcement a few weeks ago) installed v3 are eligible for free upgrade. Upgrade fees have not yet been determined.”  

 

[Gbn]

42 minutes ago, c-w said:

 

in reality the announcement of the free passage for which he bought the vers. 3 was already present at the beginning of the year, in fact I bought version 3 in February and it was already present

[an333]

2 minutes ago, Gbn said:

in reality the announcement of the free passage for which he bought the vers. 3 was already present at the beginning of the year, in fact I bought version 3 in February and it was already present

Then you have nothing to worry about...