Why Do People Come To Computer Audiophile To Display Their Contempt For Audiophiles?

[mansr]

I find the nastiest language coming from "true believers" belittling those of us who favour a scientific/engineering approach to obtaining good sound. I'm talking about the "you're just jealous because you can't afford the fancy cables," "if you can't hear it your system, your ears, and your dog are rubbish," etc.

[mansr]

4 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

What defines one as an 'anti-audiophile'?

This list should be a good start: https://twitter.com/justinbieber/followers

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6 minutes ago, realhifi said:

Probably good you bite your tongue!  Know the feeling!  I work in the construction industry as A/V, home automation contractor and I can't believe what people want for free!

[mansr]

7 minutes ago, Albrecht said:

How do we know the difference between, belief and a real performance difference?

Through scientific studies.

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3 minutes ago, Jud said:

It’s why an overall sense of community is important, it seems to me.  Otherwise, the unfortunate tradition on the WWW is to treat it like the WWE.

Or WW2.

[mansr]

6 minutes ago, jabbr said:

I am curious. I have fun explaining things... perhaps, just perhaps loosening screws affects the transmission of vibration to components. So if we are talking tube amps ... I could see this having an effect.

 

Now if this is indeed the case, I'd say do a proper vibration isolation, rather than screw around but y'know maybe what folks are hearing is real...

Maybe they have a screw loose and need their equipment to match.

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33 minutes ago, jabbr said:

A problem I see is when people might assert that because loosening screws might actually effect say a tube amp (to continue this example) that the same sonic effect would occur when loosening screws on ones NAS

Overgeneralising is definitely common among audiophiles. It happens easily when one doesn't, or refuses to, understand why an observed effect is occurring. A prime example is assuming that behaviours of analogue signal connections apply equally to digital interfaces leading to the crazy talk of USB cables having great bass response and whatnot.

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28 minutes ago, jabbr said:

I have a hard time understanding why digital USB cables have a sound. Best idea is that it is some combination of leakage noise and induction of phase error -- these effects should be measurable.

What makes you think they do? Sure, ground loops and such can be audible, but no cable can fix those, only an isolation device will.

[mansr]

8 minutes ago, Daudio said:

Hey, I was attacked, and had to defend my reputation

What reputation?

[mansr]

PM from Daudio:

6 minutes ago, Daudio said:

Fuck you asshole !

 

For whatever silo-ed knowledge you may have, you're still among the stupider posters on CA

 

I regret clicking 'Show New Post' just now, but a least a chance to tell you what I really think of your ignorant and abusive posting.

 

Back to the rationality of Ignore !

Yeah, that reputation.

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2 minutes ago, Jud said:

Why stop there?  Can’t we all be included in the fun?

Just received another one:

2 minutes ago, Daudio said:

Juvenile crap...

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1 minute ago, esldude said:

Or is silo-education some method I am unfamiliar with like the Montessori method?

Could be relevant to farming. Or ICBM systems.

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6 minutes ago, AJ Soundfield said:

How would your ears detect "DAC" soundwave changes to the soundfield, other than from the analog output of the DAC? Please specify the method of conduction if this is not the case.

Optically, by looking at the USB cable price tag.

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4 hours ago, christopher3393 said:

So, how we inform ourselves regarding the sound quality of our audio systems is, realistically and practically, finally a matter of... taste?    That is interesting!

I always lick the capacitors to make sure they're neither bitter nor too sweet. Slightly salty is how they should be for the best sound.

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2 minutes ago, wgscott said:

There is always the question of whether they actually believe, or are just cynical power-hungry opportunists.

http://clergyproject.org/

[mansr]

12 minutes ago, christopher3393 said:

Would anyone take offense if I express the opinion that Collins is a waste of time?

Perhaps also a waste of space.

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32 minutes ago, wushuliu said:

I agree. But that means time and money. Much cheaper to tell people they're making things up.

Just as cheap to tell people their ears are crap.

[mansr]

14 minutes ago, Jud said:

No, no, it’s your system.

That's why I avoid mentioning specifics of my gear. Whatever it is, someone will have a personal grudge with the brand.

[mansr]

51 minutes ago, Superdad said:

Speak for yourself.  My ears are just fine.  Can tell the difference between an average clock and a low phase-noise one, a good or great power supply, and different film types in a capacitor--among a few hundred other things that are claimed to be irrelevant or inaudible.

That wasn't even meant to be a trap, yet you fell right in it. Wow. I'm impressed. You truly have a remarkable ability.

[mansr]

26 minutes ago, semente said:

How about fancy kettle leads

The tea tastes much better if the water is boiled with a Shunyata power cord. Everybody knows that.

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24 minutes ago, beerandmusic said:

hmmm...not sure i would agree with that. 

When you say fidelity, are you talking accuracy to original?

If a recording is analog, and you convert it, is it absolutely more accurate?

Woudn't the mastering have more to do with the accuracy?

Suppose you have a stereo analogue signal. You cut it to vinyl and simultaneously digitise it and store on a CD. Then you play back those recordings using suitable equipment and compare the analogue output to the original signal. The output from the CD player will be closer to the original than that of the turntable. This will be the case even if the turntable is the best money can buy and the CD player is a $50 "disposable" model.

 

Of course, if what you store on the CD is subjected to unnecessary mangling like dynamic range compression, it can end up being worse than the vinyl. However, that in no way means that vinyl is inherently superior, only that someone did a bad job mastering the CD.

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1 minute ago, beerandmusic said:

That may be true, but i will play a record before i will play a CD....

 

There is a sign drivng from San Diego to Temecula that says "PECHANGA" voted #1 casino in USA TODAY.

Clearly with all the extravagant casinos in vegas, Pechanga can't be voted #1.....may be voted #1 in one aspect...like loosest slots or something other than the obvious.

 

I still ike vinyl and will play vinyl more than a CD (mainly because my digital music is on computer), so for me vinyl is superior than CDs.  Plus i get to use my aesthetic piece of equipment...there is some satisfaction that adds to the mood.  For me, neither reigns as superior...just different for different moods.

But now we're no longer talking about fidelity to the original, which was what you asked about. Vinyl also has larger cover art than CD, so in that regard it is clearly superior.

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42 minutes ago, AJ Soundfield said:

So that's a no for invalid violin tests evidence and also a yes for blind musician skill auditions are worthless due to level mismatching.

Ok 

Obviously, you need to have one violinist play in your right ear while another plays the same piece in your left ear. It's the only way to escape the limits of echoic memory.

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4 minutes ago, Albrecht said:

the noise "could" be carried into the buffer.

Not so. The buffer stores digital sample values as received over the wire. There is no mechanism by which it could store anything else, including noise.

4 minutes ago, Albrecht said:

No one is attaching audio qualities to CAT7 Ethernet. They are attaching the OSI model and data transmission qualities to the cable. CAT 7 IS higher bandwidth than CAT5.

Yes, 10G Ethernet requires Cat 6 (for short distances) or Cat 7 (up to 100 m) cabling. The 1G Ethernet most common in domestic networks is perfectly fine over Cat 5e. Also, the required cable quality depends only on the link speed, not on the actual utilised data rate. A saturated link is just as reliable as a barely used one.

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23 minutes ago, Jud said:

At one time (don't know if they still do), the Vienna Philharmonic required all its violinists to use the same bowing when playing in unison (in other words, upstroke at the same time, downstroke at the same time)

I thought, based on personal observation, this was the norm among professional orchestras.