AudiophileOptimizer BETA Thread (AO 3.00 beta is closed)

[AudioPhil]

What exactly is confusing to you in the manual?

[moriez]

Would have to go over it to give you something useful and I'll do that as soon as possible. A quick obvious one, it's huge! Take my own or anyone's 10-15 steps flow to get the job done as a comparison. That's why I suggested a much more compact 'Quick Start' alongside.

[AudioPhil]

Yes it is huge. The reason for this is because it contains the answers to all the questions and solutions to all problems that thousands of people where facing in the past six years  mich of it has no relation to AO but is still needed to satisfy almost all possible constellations people are using AO with.

 

More than half of it is not even about AO, but rather about the whole process of building a computer audio setup, many ither software components that come into play and so on.

 

the next manual will be completely rewritten and splittet into several parts. This will make the main manual 60%-70% smaller.

 

if you have something specific please let me know! 👍🏼

[billg]

Hi Phil,

I wonder whether it would be nice to have a different AO interface, like a traditional GUI application. Maybe add a menu (Setup, Service Tool, Set Filters, Help). We could select all the set up options on one page and walk away while AO installs and reboots. This would be simpler to use with a config file too. Just import the file and it would pre-set the options for review.

 

This could present your fine work elegantly in the manner it deserves. I realise such an app would entail some work and I have no wish to delay the final release of 3.0. Perhaps 3.1?

 

Just a thought. The application designer in me couldn't resist 🙂

[gonefishing]

@ Phil, 

 

Happy to hear your feeling better, seeing your back 🙂

 

 

On 3/14/2019 at 9:26 AM, AudioPhil said:

Interesting bit about the JPLAYfemto activation. Can you reproduce this behavior, or did this happen only once?

Interesting bit about the JPLAYfemto activation. Can you reproduce this behaviour, or did this happen only once?

"Confirmed seems this only happened once and has been ok on subsequent rebuilds - No action required". 

 

On 3/14/2019 at 9:29 AM, AudioPhil said:

well normaly AO makes the drivers working at all, and not vice versa Or in other words, in most cases its impossible to make the DAC drivers working at all if you have not installed AO already and done a few specific steps.

 

There are a few features which might not work well with your DAC driver, such as:

- Disabling Plug and Play Service

- Disabling Windows Management Instrumentation

- Also you might try the very last question by AO about T&A DAC8, etc

 

Phil,

In all the years with AO and each upgrade I have never had this situation. I have always installed JPLAY and my DAC driver on a clean OS and tested audio is operational in a dual JPLAY PC setup. Then I install AO for optimisation. Though with AO 3.0 the DAC driver is knocked out when running AO optimisation for the first time and I have to reinstall the DAC driver. Easily fixed with a reinstall but different behaviour compared to all versions of AO before 3.0

I adopted the process outlined in the online manual https://www.highend-audiopc.com/PDF/audiophile-optimizer-setup-guide.pdf

“Best Practice After installing Windows, a Media Player, Drivers for your DAC or DDC as well as the AudiophileOptimizer be sure that everything works before you actually use the AudiophileOptimizer”

 

OK if AO 3.0 is changed and does not follow the previous manual processes explicitly and a new manual will guide the right process to use 😊

 

Cheers

John

 

[motberg]

On 3/14/2019 at 9:56 PM, AudioPhil said:

 

the next manual will be completely rewritten and splittet into several parts. This will make the main manual 60%-70% smaller.

 

if you have something specific please let me know! 👍🏼

I suggest an express setup section, dedicated only to WinServer 2019 GUI installation and optimization (including the Windows GUI replacement of course). This should give you a much wider customer base. Since it is reported the SQ of optimized GUI is gaining on core, it would really help those of us that do not have the time investment to learn all the capabilities required for core use.

 

Does 3.0 have a shutdown shortcut ?

Does 3.0 have shortcut to Ethernet adapter options?

[AudioPhil]

On 3/14/2019 at 8:46 PM, billg said:

Hi Phil,

I wonder whether it would be nice to have a different AO interface, like a traditional GUI application. Maybe add a menu (Setup, Service Tool, Set Filters, Help). We could select all the set up options on one page and walk away while AO installs and reboots. This would be simpler to use with a config file too. Just import the file and it would pre-set the options for review.

 

This could present your fine work elegantly in the manner it deserves. I realise such an app would entail some work and I have no wish to delay the final release of 3.0. Perhaps 3.1?

 

Just a thought. The application designer in me couldn't resist 🙂

I have this whish as well since a long time

 

it would basically mean to start from scratch, so we won‘t see this

[AudioPhil]

On 3/17/2019 at 5:56 AM, motberg said:

I suggest an express setup section, dedicated only to WinServer 2019 GUI installation and optimization (including the Windows GUI replacement of course). This should give you a much wider customer base. Since it is reported the SQ of optimized GUI is gaining on core, it would really help those of us that do not have the time investment to learn all the capabilities required for core use.

 

Does 3.0 have a shutdown shortcut ?

Does 3.0 have shortcut to Ethernet adapter options?

You can shutdown using the AudiophileShell

[thuandb]

In addition to the wish for a Canon DSLR C1/C2 like button, I wish there's another button in SETUP (st) or AUDIOPHILE SHELL that reports the selected choices of tuning parameters.  One example is choice of Sound Signature and Digital Filter.

 That way the AO3 user would be able to more easily and accurately monitor what choices he has made versus the resulting SQ he has got, then make the more precise adjustments that he desires.

 

As a sophisticated tuning tool for Windows environment, I think such capability provided by AO3 would make the software even more efficient, more professional, elegant and sleeker.

[FelipeRolim]

I'd love if Control-PC's Audiophile Optimizer could set the parameters of the Audio-PC, without monitor, through the network. I can access it remotely, but it would be fantastic if, through Control-PC, we could configure both, Control-PC and Audio-PC...

 

Besides that, I confess that there's not much I can wish for Audiophile Optimizer that it already doesn't do...

[magicknow]

I have started using a two PC setup.  

 

JPlay recommends using a separate subset for the Control to Audio PC Ethernet

 

My Control PC has three LAN connections my Audio PC has one.

 

If I use the one LAN connection on the Audio PC on a separate subnet from the Internet for example  192.168.1.10  and I use  192.168.0.10 on the control PC for internet along with 192.168.0.1for  Gateway then I don't believe I can assign a second gateway of 192.168.1.1 for an internet connect to the AudioPC.

 

Will this prevent AO from oepratin on the Audio PC given ther is no Internet connection?

 

[FelipeRolim]

Audiophile Optimizer hasn't always needed an internet connection. As I understand it, the procedure of using the pendrive with the installation of Windows and connecting the computer to the internet is due to the fact that we're in the Beta test.

[magicknow]

Exactly Felipe  that is what I am wondering if I should wait for final release before trying to make this separate sub net work?

 

thanks

 

 

 

 

[thuandb]

In the interim I'd use a USB to Ethernet adapter to provide internet access to AudioPC if an integrated network adapter isn't available.  That way there's no need to wait for indefinite period of time until final release.

[magicknow]

6 hours ago, thuandb said:

In the interim I'd use a USB to Ethernet adapter to provide internet access to AudioPC if an integrated network adapter isn't available.  That way there's no need to wait for indefinite period of time until final release.

thanks  I will try this

[FelipeRolim]

I simply undo the configuration (netsh interface ipv4 set address name="Ethernet" dhcp) and connect the Audio-PC to the router. After I update the Audiophile Optimizer ou activate JPLAY, I set the IP as fixed again. Since my computers are close to each other and are quite accessible behind the rack, it's easier to do this.

[AudioPhil]

18 hours ago, thuandb said:

In addition to the wish for a Canon DSLR C1/C2 like button, I wish there's another button in SETUP (st) or AUDIOPHILE SHELL that reports the selected choices of tuning parameters.  One example is choice of Sound Signature and Digital Filter.

 That way the AO3 user would be able to more easily and accurately monitor what choices he has made versus the resulting SQ he has got, then make the more precise adjustments that he desires.

 

As a sophisticated tuning tool for Windows environment, I think such capability provided by AO3 would make the software even more efficient, more professional, elegant and sleeker.

 

Do you know the „settings log“ feature of AO

 

 

[motberg]

On 3/18/2019 at 8:36 PM, AudioPhil said:

You can shutdown using the AudiophileShell

Can you access Ethernet adapter properties to set a static IP address via the AudiophileShell ?

[FelipeRolim]

Friends, I think you are complicating things a little bit. If by "shutdown" you are referring to turn the computer off, just type sconfig.cmd in the command prompt. Here you can see that options 13 and 14 allow you to shut down or restart your computer. This is in the case of Windows Server (I think the vast majority here uses). I don't know if Audiophile Shell needs something like this.

 

Regarding to network parameters, it's also possible to do it by command prompt or by PowerShell. Just use the right commands. But I think this is a very useful option that would greatly simplify our life, if it exists in Service Tools or elsewhere.

[JazzDoc]

I find the shutdown option in AO AudiophileShell very useful! Much easier than the three finger waltz!

[Solid-State]

"shutdown -s -t 0"  = shutdown computer

"shutdown -r -t 0"  = restart computer

 

 

[AudioPhil]

5 hours ago, motberg said:

Can you access Ethernet adapter properties to set a static IP address via the AudiophileShell ?

Yea, just launch command promt and the start sconfig

[motberg]

1 hour ago, TubeMan said:

"shutdown -s -t 0"  = shutdown computer

"shutdown -r -t 0"  = restart computer

 

 

Yep - I have been doing similar to that for a few years now since AO 1.0... it has been an irritating feature since way back then also 🙂

 

But, I have just installed AO 3.0 beta rev.36 into a 2019 ServerGUI audio PC, which was fully setup and running well. (I am not sure, but for my recent build, setting up stuff and installing drivers in 2019 ServerGUI seems about the same complexity as Win10, so most users already understand that.... no F8, no driver signing problems, etc, etc..)

 

The amazing thing #1 is that after the standard AO optimization routine and even setting the shell to AudiophileShell, the computer worked perfectly as prior. I just pulled the monitor and USB for keyboard/mouse and everything back to normal from the control PC (win10 AO2.2)..

 

which brings us to Amazing thing #2... This sounds much better than Server Core 2012 with AO !!!!

First I noticed the snares were more correct, but then I was shocked when the drummer in the recording did one of those double handed multiple slams on the toms set.. I have not heard that type of sound pressure change from my system previously - but recalled the experience from when I worked with a similar style drummer many years ago... Bass lines are much more defined yet with realistic texture, cymbal taps have more correct definition, and even piano parts - which I think is a very weak point of my speakers - are exhibiting a more realistic texture and impact.... By the third song, the system, room, walls were gone... just remaining an envelope of musical artistry that some group created many years ago...  that does not happen very often here.

 

So, even with Server 2019 GUI and the AudiophileShell loaded, my stuff sounds the best as I have ever heard - and by a wide margin (by audiophile standards anyways).  

 

I think that Server 2019 GUI, and especially with learned familiarity of the AudiophileShell, could prove a relatively painless "gateway" into to the hardcore world of command-line server.. but maybe a few additional AudiophileShell entries and/or some very detailed instructions in the manual could be helpful to help others take their first "hit"... 🙂

 

[Solid-State]

" Yep - I have been doing similar to that for a few years now since AO 1.0... it has been an irritating feature since way back then also 🙂 "

 

And I have used it since Windows NT 3.1
way back in time

 

(if some one here knows what NT 3.1 is )

[AudioPhil]

Yes theese where the good times...

 

tell the customer to grab a coffee and make a 30 minutes break because of an IP change or similar...