Call for testers! Daphile

[zackthedog]

by cable

 

I have this problem on a mini-PC I use for Daphile. Try re-plugging the ethernet cable and make sure it's seated properly, or try a different cable. Sometime I have to restart a few times to get Daphile to establish a connection with the router. I'm not sure why this happens so I can't be more helpful, but you're not the only one. :-(

[Solid-State]

There is no problem with my network !

its related to Daphile/linux

 

at the same time its not possible to set static IP

 

even if I do in system settings, it still get a IP by DHCP

So ther is a problem with network stack in latest release

[Core32]

I can't prove otherwise of course but I have not had an issue with IP or MAC from my Daphile PC for two plus years.

And I update every time there is even a Beta release.

I'm sure you've tried it, but do you reboot the PC or do you power down completely, even removing the power plug from the PC?

I have had an issue with a PC that is not my Daphile system where I have to remove all power, even AC before it will network connect again.

[Solid-State]

There is no problem with my network !

 

If you have to do that then you have a problem with the OS

that something you should never have to do if everything is ok

[Core32]

And I have no problem with my network either.

And no problem with Daphile on my network.

But a Windows PC does, occasionally.

What I am talking about is likely a HW issue with the NIC, in the PC, not your perfect network.

That's all I got.

[botrytis]

I am using two mini PC's for running Daphile with no issues. One is a Aopen MP45-D which is a 64 bit intel processor (dual core) with 4 GB RAM and a 80 GB m SATA SSD - running 16.07-64 bit. The other is a real paired down one. It is a Xi3 Pro3 mini PC. It has a dual core AMD 64 bit APU with 4 GB ram - it has a 30 GB mSATA SSD - running the latest beta 64 bit version. For both PC's I am using an iFi Nano and an 2 GB WD USB 3.0 HD for the music. It sounds fantastic. The AMD is not as fast (indexing) but it is whisper silent and is so small. The PC's are wired to my WiFi Extender and use a Samsung Tab 3 for control and using either Squeezer or Squeezebox controller for my remote.

 

I have tried all the different players, Hysolid (which is very good) JRiver, Foobar 2000 (which has the worst sound of all of them) and other software for Windows 10. My ranking of the sound is: Daphile, Hysolid, JRiver, any others, Foobar 2000. Foobar just sounds like garbage and not worth my time.

 

I have not tried any MAC software as I do not like MACs (personal preference).

[zackthedog]

There is no problem with my network !

 

If you have to do that then you have a problem with the OS

that something you should never have to do if everything is ok

 

What computer are you trying to run Daphile on? I ask because my Azulle Byte Plus has a non-PCI ethernet adapter port, and the Daphile driver often has trouble connecting with it.

[botrytis]

What computer are you trying to run Daphile on? I ask because my Azulle Byte Plus has a non-PCI ethernet adapter port, and the Daphile driver often has trouble connecting with it.

You may need a special Linux driver for the Azulle. I would contact support for this PC, they may have a driver for it.

[zackthedog]

You may need a special Linux driver for the Azulle. I would contact support for this PC, they may have a driver for it.

 

I've asked their support but they're not very responsive. It's a good little gadget and I can get it to work with Daphile, It sounds lovely. But it takes some tweaking. :-)

[2marco]

hi all

I currently use a 2 PC Daphile ( server-client) system, both PCs are wifi linked to modem/router; i am satisfied about sound quality but i can't get dsd 128 upsample because wifi network can't support it. Furthermore it seems ( A novel way to massively improve the SQ of the sMS-200 and microRendu ) that client- server direct connection, so eliminating the needed links to modem router, dramatically improves sound quality.

Is anyone here able to suggest how to implement a Daphile two machines server-client direct connection? so i would have Daphile pc-server wifi linked to router and ethernet cable linked to Daphile pc-server.

Thanks in advance

 

Marco

[skipspence]

Hi Marco,

 

For server-client direct connection you may need to assign your server's fixed ip-address in client's Networking settings, both: Router and DNS Servers, then Save & Restart.

At least for me it worked like this. Not to say that it "massively" improved the SQ, which is already fine with Daphile, but sounded some different at a first sight.

 

Would be fine when you report your impressions when you are done.

 

Cheers, Alex

[2marco]

hi Alex,

thanks for prompt reply. I ask more because i'm informatic ignorant.

 

1- assign a fixed IP address ( es 192.168.1.160), router(?) and DNS Server (?) in server network settings

2- assign a the same fixed address ( 192.168.1.160), router ( ? the same ) and DNS server (? the same) in client network settings

3- save & restart

 

Thanks

Marco

[skipspence]

Hi Marco,

 

1- assign a fixed IP address ( you have 192.168.1.160), router(your router IP) and DNS Server (again your router IP) in server network settings

2- assign other (NOT the same!!) fixed address (say 192.168.1.161), router (192.168.1.160) and DNS server (192.168.1.160) in client network settings

 

In client settings General check Media server is set on External and Server address is your server IP (192.168.1.160)

 

3- save & restart both!!

Cheers, Alex

 

[zackthedog]

Hi Marco,

 

1- assign a fixed IP address ( you have 192.168.1.160), router(your router IP) and DNS Server (again your router IP) in server network settings

2- assign other (NOT the same!!) fixed address (say 192.168.1.161), router (192.168.1.160) and DNS server (192.168.1.160) in client network settings

 

In client settings General check Media server is set on External and Server address is your server IP (192.168.1.160)

 

3- save & restart both!!

Cheers, Alex

 

 

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but I think he wants to bypass a router altogether and connect his storage and second PC directly to his main PC. I think he can do this.

 

Marco, you will need a network switching box, preferably a high-quality one. Your main PC will typically have it's own address of something like 10.0.0.1. Connect your NAS and you second PC to a network switch and connect that in turn to your main PC. Go to your NAS network setting, set to DHCP and tell it use your main PC as a router. The router address would be 10.0.0.1, subnet 255.255.255.0, and DNS serve 10.0.0.1. Set up your second PC the same way. I*think* this will work.

[zackthedog]

Correction, it's been a while since I've done this. You might have to manually assign an IP address to the NAS and the second PC. One would be 10.0.0.2, and the other would be 10.0.0.3.

[2marco]

Hi Marco,

 

1- assign a fixed IP address ( you have 192.168.1.160), router(your router IP) and DNS Server (again your router IP) in server network settings

2- assign other (NOT the same!!) fixed address (say 192.168.1.161), router (192.168.1.160) and DNS server (192.168.1.160) in client network settings

 

In client settings General check Media server is set on External and Server address is your server IP (192.168.1.160)

 

3- save & restart both!!

Cheers, Alex

 

No way it works!

I tried all your suggested settings with a normal ethernet cable and with a crossover ethernet cable. I tried with server enabled wifi and client wifi off and the reverse.

No way. Perhaps Daphile can't be linked with ethernet and wifi connection at the same time.

Anyway , thanks for patience and help

Marco

[2marco]

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but I think he wants to bypass a router altogether and connect his storage and second PC directly to his main PC. I think he can do this.

 

Marco, you will need a network switching box, preferably a high-quality one. Your main PC will typically have it's own address of something like 10.0.0.1. Connect your NAS and you second PC to a network switch and connect that in turn to your main PC. Go to your NAS network setting, set to DHCP and tell it use your main PC as a router. The router address would be 10.0.0.1, subnet 255.255.255.0, and DNS serve 10.0.0.1. Set up your second PC the same way. I*think* this will work.

 

Hi Zack

my desidered configuration would be : server Daphile PC wifi connected (for Qobuz streaming and Squeezepad control) + Hdd for music > ethernet cable >netbook Daphile client > USB dac. No NAS, i prefer Qobuz streaming and upsamplng to DSD.

I used a network switch to connect Daphile server and Daphile client and it worked but sound quality was so so.

 

Thanks

Marco

[botrytis]

hi all

I currently use a 2 PC Daphile ( server-client) system, both PCs are wifi linked to modem/router; i am satisfied about sound quality but i can't get dsd 128 upsample because wifi network can't support it. Furthermore it seems ( A novel way to massively improve the SQ of the sMS-200 and microRendu ) that client- server direct connection, so eliminating the needed links to modem router, dramatically improves sound quality.

Is anyone here able to suggest how to implement a Daphile two machines server-client direct connection? so i would have Daphile pc-server wifi linked to router and ethernet cable linked to Daphile pc-server.

Thanks in advance

 

Marco

What do you mean your network won't support it? What Router are you using? There should be no issue if using a 1GB system. As far as wireless, what protocols are being used? One can use even 80211n and that should be plenty of through put for DSD files. 802.11AC would give you wiggle room to even do 5X DSD files.

 

If you are using an all in one Modem-router-wireless than that IS your problem. The tech in them is 5 yrs old and that is the issue. Buy a modem (Docsis 3.0 - they can be had for 45-100 USD) then a router/firewall/wireless such as ASUS RT-AC3200. This will give you the throughput desired.

 

 

As far as novel way to improve SQ stuff - sounds like a lot of snake oil. Can they prove there 'Measurable' differences? People can fool themselves into thinking something sounds better and there is no difference.

[2marco]

 

If you are using an all in one Modem-router-wireless than that IS your problem. The tech in them is 5 yrs old and that is the issue. Buy a modem (Docsis 3.0 - they can be had for 45-100 USD) then a router/firewall/wireless such as ASUS RT-AC3200. This will give you the throughput desired.

 

I use all in one modem router wireless so i'll follow your suggestion. Thanks.

 

"academic" problem remains : it is possible to directly (ethernet) connect a two PCs Daphile System mainteining in the meantime wifi access?

 

Marco

[serialdie]

I use all in one modem router wireless so i'll follow your suggestion. Thanks.

 

"academic" problem remains : it is possible to directly (ethernet) connect a two PCs Daphile System mainteining in the meantime wifi access?

 

Marco

 

What are you trying to archive?

Are you trying to maintain two active Network connections, One via WiFi and one vie Ethernet?

You can have both system hardwired and have wifi access at the same time, I just don't see the point of this. You will have to give priority to which ever you would like the OS to route first.

 

I hope I understand your question correctly... Maybe you are talking about a wifi bridge?

[botrytis]

What are you trying to archive?

Are you trying to maintain two active Network connections, One via WiFi and one vie Ethernet?

You can have both system hardwired and have wifi access at the same time, I just don't see the point of this. You will have to give priority to which ever you would like the OS to route first.

 

I hope I understand your question correctly... Maybe you are talking about a wifi bridge?

 

Totally agree with the above. Would like to know more so one can give better information.

[2marco]

Totally agree with the above. Would like to know more so one can give better information.

English is not my first languase so sorry in advance if my writing is not clear.

My question is not general ( bridged wifi, ethernet bridge) but is specifically related to Daphile system and to my audio setting.

I have no ethernet cabled network nor i have the chance to bring an ethernet cable from router to music room.

I tried powerline 500Mps but it didn't work well ( lot of interruptions).

So i have just a wifi LAN.

I like and use Daphile, i like and use Qobuz streaming, i like upsampling pcm to Dsd 128 because IMHO sound quality is better tha original ( I tried 128 Dsd upsample with Daphile one pc configuration ). I prefer a Daphile 2 Pcs ( server-client) configuration because IMHO sound quality is better than Daphile on one machine ( evaluation of course based only on PCM listening). My 2 PCs Daphile system is wifi linked and it streams pcm ( to 384khz) flawlessy but no Dsd 128 is allowed because many sound interruptions ( probably related to insufficiency of my old modem-router-wifi set).

I tried Daphile 2 PCs direct ( via crossover ethernet cable ) link by setting fixed IP, router and DNS server address and by disabling wifi on both machines. It works ! Squeezepad works based on Daphile wifi spot( automatically generated) , client finds server, 128 dsd upsample is okay, sound quality is very very good. But, no Qobuz streaming is possible because there is no internet access. Then i enable wifi on server machine and the system goes crazy ( client and audio device are not achievable ); then i enable wifi on client ( with server wifi turned off ) and server was not achievable.

So question is : in Daphile settings ( not in general ) it is possible to directly ( ethernet ) link server and client PCs while mantaining a wifi access?

Thanks

Marco

[serialdie]

So question is : in Daphile settings ( not in general ) it is possible to directly ( ethernet ) link server and client PCs while mantaining a wifi access?

Thanks

Marco

 

Yes.

 

You have to have some Linux knowledge to do this.

Go buy a cheap switch and make your life easier. Once you have a switch in between both machines all you have to do is route all none internal rout-able addresses "0.0.0.0" through your WiFi. The rest can stay local in between your two systems with static mappings under the same subnet..

[2marco]

Yes.

 

You have to have some Linux knowledge to do this.

Go buy a cheap switch and make your life easier. Once you have a switch in between both machines all you have to do is route all none internal rout-able addresses "0.0.0.0" through your WiFi. The rest can stay local in between your two systems with static mappings under the same subnet..

 

ok , i'll go and buy a switch, but i don't know if my life will be easier because i don't understand what i have to do.

I'll try and ask you for more infos

Thanks

Marco

[botrytis]

English is not my first languase so sorry in advance if my writing is not clear.

My question is not general ( bridged wifi, ethernet bridge) but is specifically related to Daphile system and to my audio setting.

I have no ethernet cabled network nor i have the chance to bring an ethernet cable from router to music room.

I tried powerline 500Mps but it didn't work well ( lot of interruptions).

So i have just a wifi LAN.

I like and use Daphile, i like and use Qobuz streaming, i like upsampling pcm to Dsd 128 because IMHO sound quality is better tha original ( I tried 128 Dsd upsample with Daphile one pc configuration ). I prefer a Daphile 2 Pcs ( server-client) configuration because IMHO sound quality is better than Daphile on one machine ( evaluation of course based only on PCM listening). My 2 PCs Daphile system is wifi linked and it streams pcm ( to 384khz) flawlessy but no Dsd 128 is allowed because many sound interruptions ( probably related to insufficiency of my old modem-router-wifi set).

I tried Daphile 2 PCs direct ( via crossover ethernet cable ) link by setting fixed IP, router and DNS server address and by disabling wifi on both machines. It works ! Squeezepad works based on Daphile wifi spot( automatically generated) , client finds server, 128 dsd upsample is okay, sound quality is very very good. But, no Qobuz streaming is possible because there is no internet access. Then i enable wifi on server machine and the system goes crazy ( client and audio device are not achievable ); then i enable wifi on client ( with server wifi turned off ) and server was not achievable.

So question is : in Daphile settings ( not in general ) it is possible to directly ( ethernet ) link server and client PCs while mantaining a wifi access?

Thanks

Marco

That would be a question for the Daphile developers. I am not sure HOW much of the Linux Kernel they are using.