Best CPU for hqplayer

[Miska]

Intel is now listing 12th Gen CPUs! Really curious to see how the new i9-12900K performs:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134599/intel-core-i912900k-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz.html

 

[k6davis]

On 11/2/2021 at 4:28 AM, Miska said:

Intel is now listing 12th Gen CPUs! Really curious to see how the new i9-12900K performs:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134599/intel-core-i912900k-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz.html

 

The next generation CPUs from Intel, AMD and Apple will all be available soon. And there are rumors of a forthcoming M1 Pro & Max Mac Minis at a decent price. 

 

I can't wait to find out if any of them will enable a breakthrough in HQP performance!

[Miska]

36 minutes ago, k6davis said:

The next generation CPUs from Intel, AMD and Apple will all be available soon. And there are rumors of a forthcoming M1 Pro & Max Mac Minis at a decent price. 

 

I can't wait to find out if any of them will enable a breakthrough in HQP performance!

 

I have i9-12900K and ASUS Z690 TUF Gaming mobo on order. Everything else is available straight away, but wait for Noctua NH-D15S adapter for LGA1700 poses some wait time for the project.

 

[StreamFidelity]

Advanced Vector Extensions (AVX)

 

Also interesting that the Alder Lake processors do support AVX512. However, all efficiency cores must be switched off for this. The acceleration of around 30% is remarkable.

Source: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.ph....html?start=16

[Miska]

On 11/4/2021 at 3:44 AM, Miska said:

I have i9-12900K and ASUS Z690 TUF Gaming mobo on order. Everything else is available straight away, but wait for Noctua NH-D15S adapter for LGA1700 poses some wait time for the project.

 

I did testing on the new i9-12900K with DDR4-3600 CL17 RAM (G.Skill). With DDR5 I would expect notably better performance, but I happened to have a 4 module 64 GB DDR4 set already and DDR5 seems to be very hard to get. So I went with DDR4 and will build DDR5 system later.

 

Seems to be very capable, I even got DSD512 working with ASDM7ECv2 when having "Multicore DSP" forced all-in (checked).

 

 

Here playing a file from Debian 11 based SMB server (also running Roon) to a locally connected T+A HA 200.

 

Stock Windows 10 Pro for Workstations, Ultimate Performance power profile.

 

[kelvinwsy]

Hi Jussi yr NVDA GPU which modrl? Without the GPU csn the 12900k do DSD512 with EC 7 v2?

[Miska]

17 minutes ago, kelvinwsy said:

Hi Jussi yr NVDA GPU which modrl? Without the GPU csn the 12900k do DSD512 with EC 7 v2?

 

At the moment I have RTX2080Ti on that machine (ASUS Strix series). In the above example case, CUDA offload is disabled so it all runs on the CPU.

 

[StreamFidelity]

32 minutes ago, Miska said:

I did testing on the new i9-12900K with DDR4-3600 CL17 RAM (G.Skill). With DDR5 I would expect notably better performance

 

Why I never considered AMD processors were the worse latencies. Now the 12 Intel CPUs are even worse, at least with DDR5 memory. But not with DDR4, see table below i9-12900K DDR 4 (the less the better). 👍

 

In the load tests, DDR5 did not do so badly because of the higher bandwidth. But why spend a lot of money if it isn't significantly better?

 

Source: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/prozessoren/57430-core-i9-12900k-und-core-i5-12600k-hybrid-desktop-cpus-alder-lake-im-test.html?start=3

[StreamFidelity]

Examples of latencies:

 

G.Skill Ripjaws S5 black DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR5-5200, CL40-40-40-76, on-die ECC 
= CAS Latency CL 15.38ns

 

G.Skill RipJaws V black DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR4-4000, CL14-15-15-35
= CAS Latency CL 7.00ns!

[kelvinwsy]

Wow DSD512 EC7 v2 w/o CUDA!!! overclocking all cores to 4.7/4.8 ghz polysinc ext3?? 

Not shabby at all.. Looks like the target of Dsd512 with EC7 had been achieved!!

[Miska]

7 minutes ago, kelvinwsy said:

Wow DSD512 EC7 v2 w/o CUDA!!! overclocking all cores to 4.7/4.8 ghz polysinc ext3?? 

Not shabby at all.. Looks like the target of Dsd512 with EC7 had been achieved!!

 

No overclocking, this is with BIOS set to "Load optimized defaults" and then just selected XMP Profile 1 for RAM.

 

Looks like I will need to do some further changes to HQPlayer to correctly deal with these new CPUs that have two different types of cores.

 

But above is what is out there now in 4.14.0 release.

 

[k6davis]

Fantastic!!

 

Can it go all the way to 24-192 => DSD512 x 48, poly-sinc-ext3, ASDM7ECv2? That would be my stress test.

 

I realize that you will make adjustments to optimize HQP for the new CPUs so things aren't definitive yet.

[Miska]

34 minutes ago, StreamFidelity said:

In the load tests, DDR5 did not do so badly because of the higher bandwidth. But why spend a lot of money if it isn't significantly better?

 

I would expect DDR5 to improve HQPlayer performance based on some of the benchmarks I've seen. Since I've also seen improvements with CPUs that have 4 memory channels (Xeon and Extreme Edition). Especially with bigger filters.

 

[k6davis]

Oh, and what about its performance with HQP OS, assuming that it's compatible with HQP OS? 

 

If DSD512 works with Windows, might it better with HQP OS?

[Miska]

4 minutes ago, k6davis said:

Oh, and what about its performance with HQP OS, assuming that it's compatible with HQP OS? 

 

If DSD512 works with Windows, might it better with HQP OS?

 

I have not tested yet... I will try some time later when I find time.

 

[StreamFidelity]

16 minutes ago, Miska said:

I have not tested yet... I will try some time later when I find time.

 

If you are already testing: completely switch off the E-Cores in BIOS. That should activate the P-Cores AVX512. 🤗

[Account Closed]

4 hours ago, Miska said:

 

I did testing on the new i9-12900K with DDR4-3600 CL17 RAM (G.Skill). With DDR5 I would expect notably better performance, but I happened to have a 4 module 64 GB DDR4 set already and DDR5 seems to be very hard to get. So I went with DDR4 and will build DDR5 system later.

 

Seems to be very capable, I even got DSD512 working with ASDM7ECv2 when having "Multicore DSP" forced all-in (checked).

 

 

Here playing a file from Debian 11 based SMB server (also running Roon) to a locally connected T+A HA 200.

 

Stock Windows 10 Pro for Workstations, Ultimate Performance power profile.

 

The big question is: Did DSD 512 make any noticeable improvement in the sound vs 256, IOW is it worth the effort?

[luisma]

On 11/13/2021 at 8:07 AM, Miska said:

Seems to be very capable, I even got DSD512 working with ASDM7ECv2 when having "Multicore DSP" forced all-in (checked).

Thank you for posting, good to know

[luisma]

Online the scalpers already exhausted the inventory, I was able to order it from my supplier, let's see when it is scheduled for delivery.

Anyone care to comment about these boards to match the i9-12900k?

 

ASUS ROG Strix Z690-G Gaming WiFi
GIGABYTE Z690I Aorus Ultra
ASRock Z690 Phantom Gaming 4 LGA 1700

 

and getting a board with DDR5 even worth it?

[k6davis]

Apple has introduced the M1 Pro and M1 Max chips. I haven't seen any reports yet of how they perform with HQP.

 

Apple's next step is to take these new chips and combine 2 or 4 of them into a single super powerful chip. Of course, there will likely be a performance cost to combining the chips, so we wouldn't see a full 2x or 4x the performance of the single chip. But from what I understand, the M1 was designed with this end goal in mind, so they should be formidable. We're talking about either 20 or 40 computing cores and either 64 or 128 GPU cores. And these are M1 Max cores.

 

These machines will surely be extraordinary for their intended use cases. And they'll be expensive. We'll have to wait and see if any of this yields benefits for HQP. The biggest clue will be whether or not the HQP DSP workload can be spread to more than the 4 performance cores that exist in the 1st generation M1. If so, then a single 10 core M1 Max chip could be an ideal HQP server, with far lower power and cooling requirements than Intel's 12th generation chips. There's a rumored forthcoming Mac Mini version, which would be my choice.

 

So I'm looking forward to hearing reports of how HQP runs on the recently released M1 Pro and M1 Max chips. I'll be waiting to get more information before making decision between Intel & Apple. 

 

https://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2021/20211021_1030-Apple-ARM-M1X-ReaderComment-M1Max2X_4X.html

 

 

 

 

 

[sledwards]

On 11/13/2021 at 12:12 PM, bobflood said:

The big question is: Did DSD 512 make any noticeable improvement in the sound vs 256, IOW is it worth the effort?

Exactly the question to be answered before shelling out dollars for a significant upgrade. Could the user evaluate the difference using the trial version of Pro? Record a track using DSD 256 and 512 with ASDM7ECv2 modulator. Would that produce a fair comparison or are there limitations preventing that?

[k6davis]

2 hours ago, sledwards said:

Exactly the question to be answered before shelling out dollars for a significant upgrade. Could the user evaluate the difference using the trial version of Pro? Record a track using DSD 256 and 512 with ASDM7ECv2 modulator. Would that produce a fair comparison or are there limitations preventing that?

 

That's a great idea. So simple and logical that I wish I'd thought of it. 

 

Even so, the answer can't be a simple yes or no for everyone. It has to depend on how well your DAC performs at DSD 256 vs DSD 512 as well as whether or not the rest of your system is capable of revealing the improvement if there is any. 

[bogi]

6 hours ago, sledwards said:

Could the user evaluate the difference using the trial version of Pro? Record a track using DSD 256 and 512 with ASDM7ECv2 modulator. Would that produce a fair comparison

I don't see a technical reason why it wouldn't be a valid comparison.

[ted_b]

Or as I’ve also said in previous posts, grab a 512 version of an existing (in your library) NativeDSD pick. It’s what we use (Pro at 512 and adsmec7). 

[pis99]

Jussi must done some magic on the latest 3 or 4 win desktop version. I can now play 512 dsd, 7ECv2, ext3 on 11900K+3090. So 12900 must be able to do 7ECv2 at 512dsd. I am sure an extra GPU can help improving music too.

 

From my person view, it definitely worths the money for the latest CPU. I believe computing power contributes to good sound for HQP.