How DOES the grounding boxes work?

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 hours ago, Cornan said:

 

Sorry, now you're a bit stupid again.

 

You have some very smart and talented people trying to help you and giving their own valuable time. 

 

More comments like this and you'll be asking for help on another site. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

18 minutes ago, AJ Soundfield said:

No you aren't.

You are seeking an objective crutch for a subjective belief, due to unease.

You will completely dismiss the most plausible explanation, it's your imagination and instead seek some techno-babble "objective" one due to remote plausibility like grounding etc.

You won't test for either of course.

 

You sure seem confident in knowing what others are thinking. With such a mind reading ability, I'm surprised you're in the non-lucrative field of loudspeaker manufacturing. 

 

Seriously, you come off as being a jerk. Whether that is intentional or not, I have no idea. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

20 minutes ago, plissken said:

 

They work by being an antenna, introducing a higher noise floor that you seem to have a preference for. You just aren't educated enough to know what it is you are hearing.

 

It's your preference and you a welcome to it.

 

It would be really nice to hear what Entreq has to say about this measurement. I'll try contacting them for the other side of the story. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

10 minutes ago, plissken said:

 

Chris, with respect. Multiple explanations, that have been ASKED for, have been given, and all dismissed.

 

So given that information AJ, and it's conclusion that I can't find fault with, has made another guess as to not how but WHY the listener thinks the box works.

 

Why does AJ need to be tea and cookies pleasant with someone that is ignoring so much data? He's not being unpleasant, just sometimes it takes a different tact.

 

You could also simply close the thread.

 

This is like talking with with an Anti-Vaxer.

 

Hi plissken - Thanks for the reply. 

 

Nobody needs to be tea and cookies pleasant, but nobody should be a jerk. If you look at that comment, who is it really for? It's for AJ and perhaps people who like him. It's not for the person asking questions. No minds are going to be changed or educated with a comment like that. 

 

I certainly hear you about talking with an Anti-Vaxer. I have one in my extended family. I used to provide facts and data to this person. I've now stopped talking about it with him/her. I have no duty to continue discussing the issue. Even after the measles outbreak here in Minnesota because of the crusade of an Anti-Vaxer, I didn't talk to this relative about it. 

 

I wish some people would take this approach. If talking to someone using what you know to be true, yields results that one doesn't agree with or similar, just stop talking to the person. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

9 minutes ago, plissken said:

 

Could you ask them for a technical on why the box works and what measurements they use to support their claims?

Yes, for sure.

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, plissken said:

 

Chris, is it possible for you to ban YashN from this thread?

 

I'm trying to manage competing interests. I have PMs from people asking others to be banned not only from this thread but from the entire site.

 

If everyone just takes a step back, and realizes this is audio not brain surgery, we'll be OK.

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 hours ago, semente said:

One can educate without being scornful or putting down.

Be nice and make CA a better place; it's our responsibility.

 

This is exactly the way I look at it. 

 

I put responsibility in the hands of adults and assume they will handle it without the need of an adult babysitter. Some people obviously come here to raise hell, but the vast majority are here to help and be helped.

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, wgscott said:

If you ground something, the electrons (which are negatively charged) flow into the earth.  If you have something that is electrically isolated and suspended in space, and not connected to the earth, it cannot dissipate electrons, so no current flows, and no grounding takes place.  This has nothing to do with something like Einstein's discoveries.  In the case of special relativity, Einstein offered a new interpretation of why Maxwell's Laws of Electrodynamics were invariant under a Lorentz transformation. Einstein did not change the laws of electrodynamics in any way whatsoever.

 

I'm not sure anyone could ask for a better answer without paying for it, and even then I'm not sure it would be better.

[The Computer Audiophile]

5 minutes ago, plissken said:

We know, demonstrably, what the box IS indeed capable of in Amir's measurements. You simply may have a preference for the added broad spectrum noise.

 

I wonder if all of this back & forth could have been avoided if:

 

1. The measurement is seen as valid

2. People agreed that the box does change the sound because of the noise seen in the measurement

 

Rather than people suggesting others are out to lunch or idiots or whatever, it would help to see the other side.

 

Someone puts this box in place and hears a difference. They ask how this could be. They are told it can't be.

 

Based on measurements we see yes, in fact it is true the box makes a difference. The difference is caused by something many audiophiles like and many run away from, but the sonic differences heard may not have been in the listener's head. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

I heard back from Entreq today. Here is our email exchange. 

 

 

 

Hello Chris.

 

Nopp

Dont know how it have been done. He anyhow don´t use any of our cables.

All cables act like antennas. If you have right length, right metal , right area etc on the cable, you can pick up the most of  signals in the air, so ................

Perhaps any of the other brands, Tripoint, CAD, Nordost etc can help.

 

Best

PO

 

From: Chris Connaker

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:41 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Grounding Box Adds Noise?

 

 

Hi Guys - Someone has posted measurements of one of your grounding boxes and says it adds noise. Can you comment on this or explain why this appears to be the case?

 

https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/34650-how-does-the-grounding-boxes-work/?page=6#comment-694618

Chris Connaker

Founder
Computer Audiophile

[The Computer Audiophile]

Take a breather everyone. Nobody is saving babies or killing puppies.

 

We also aren't coming up with the next AES standard to be used by all manufacturers for decades. We are talking about products that increase or decrease our enjoyment of a great hobby. 

 

If someone thinks these boxes help and doesn't want to accept another person's opinion or facts, that's life. 

If someone thinks these boxes can't possibly work, that's life.

If someone is being unreasonable, that's life. 

 

You don't have to get the last word.

You don't have to prove anything.

You don't have to save anyone from themselves.

 

If you've spent considerable time trying to help explain the facts, I applaud you and thank you for your continued contributions. Seriously. I've learned so much from everyone here. I'm frequently bummed out by how little I actually know. Fortunately, your time spent isn't wasted because the answers remain for everyone to view and find via search engines. Keep in mind that less than 1% of CA readers actually post in the forum. Your comments are mostly for the 99% who come here to read (I'm frequently told by readers that they have nothing to offer so they don't post).  

 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

What are you guys doing? 

 

If you don't get along with someone, stop talking to him or her. 

 

This isn't the twisted internet debate team where you score points for bickering. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

4 minutes ago, lasker98 said:

Chris, did you see the post raff made that I asked to be removed. He made his own comments and posted them as if they were a quote from me.

 

 

Please use the report post function and I'll take a look.

[The Computer Audiophile]

put a fork in it. this one is done.