HQ Player

[Luca72c]

On 8/20/2021 at 5:50 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

Try this build - https://www.signalyst.eu/bins/hqplayerd/images/hqplayer-embedded-4.25.1-x64amd.7z

 

 

Hello Miska, i installed this build that was suggested a few days ago. Do you think any other build can have better performance on a intel 10850K cpu? 

About IP address, i have many ways to identify it, i just didn't think MAC address could change going from win10 to hqp os (then different IP address assigned by router). No problem anyway, easily and fast solved

[Miska]

2 hours ago, Luca72c said:

Hello Miska, i installed this build that was suggested a few days ago.

 

That's the AVX2 build. This why I never post links directly to files or such as they become obsolete in no time.

 

2 hours ago, Luca72c said:

Do you think any other build can have better performance on a intel 10850K cpu? 

 

As I said before, I'd recommend to try both builds to see which one performs better for you, since you use Intel CPU.

 

[skipspence]

On 8/28/2021 at 1:37 AM, Luca72c said:

My test setup: ... NAA BeagleBone Black connected via I2S to the DAC...

 @Luca72c can you please specify what SW you used on NAA BBB in you HQP setup?

[Luca72c]

3 hours ago, skipspence said:

 @Luca72c can you please specify what SW you used on NAA BBB in you HQP setup?

 

Sure, i have NAD running in a gentooplayer release that includes botic driver

[Luca72c]

18 hours ago, Miska said:

As I said before, I'd recommend to try both builds to see which one performs better for you, since you use Intel CPU.

 

Ok, today i tried 4.25.2 x64gen. Installation and configuration easy and fast as 4.25.1 x64amd, very good.

Performance is a bit worse, as i cannot play anymore ext3 and gauss-xla at 192 khz, so my limit is 96 khz just like in win10 hqpdesktop. Still i cannot play closed-form-16M at 96 khz and Sync-L at 44.1 khz, while i can in win10 hqpdesktop, so to summarize this time i'd say 10 to win10 and 9.9 to hqp os.

To be honest, i realized that when testing x64amd 2 days ago i didn't select a specific SDM rate but i leaved it to auto, while i only selected 12288000 as max SDM rate; this time i also selected 11289600 as SDM rate. I don't know if this can be the reason of better performance of hqp os x64amd embedded compared to win10 hqpdesktop, but as soon as i can i'll test again with identical settings.

Anyway i can say that with 4.25.2 x64gen, win10 performance are better than linux ones, totally unexpected! But true...

BUT: volume is not lower than win10 hqpdesktop's this time AND sound quality is much better than using x64amd (still i can't figure out how this can be). I mean MUCH better, this time it gives a real match to win10. Still a little sleek, but not in an unconvincing way, as sound is rich and punchy just like win10 hqpdesktop; naturalness and "reality" of instruments is still lower then using win10 hqpdesktop, but dynamics and transients are maybe even a bit better and most of all soundstage is a bit wider and there is more air. So i'd say this time really the choice is upon listener's taste and favourite music genres - surely better for jazz and the likes, a bit worse for pop and world music imho.

So this build is here to stay, i'll have 2 different "incarnations" of hqplayer to choose from (win10 + hqpdesktop and hqp os + embedded), depending on the type of music i'll want to listen to or on "taste of the day". The little lower performance compared to win10 is not a problem for me, being it so slight (as much as little higher performance of x64amd was not a game changer for me, nor a sufficient reason to switch to linux).

[Luca72c]

1 hour ago, Luca72c said:

 

Sure, i have NAD running in a gentooplayer release that includes botic driver

 

Just to be exhaustive, NAD is v. 4.1.1

[giordy60]

hi Luca
my experience with enbedded is different from yours .....
usb key on windows server with cpu i7 6700 ....
with embedded I can do both ext2 and gauss with ASDM7EC 48X256 ....
with the same settings it was not possible to do it with windows server 2016 ....
don't ask me why 🙄

(I haven't tried other filters yet)

[Luca72c]

11 minutes ago, giordy60 said:

hi Luca
my experience with enbedded is different from yours .....
usb key on windows server with cpu i7 6700 ....
with embedded I can do both ext2 and gauss with ASDM7EC 48X256 ....
with the same settings it was not possible to do it with windows server 2016 ....
don't ask me why 🙄

(I haven't tried other filters yet)

 

Hello Giordy, i'm talking about windows 10, not windows server 2016. I never tested hqp perfomance on windows server 2016, but what you write makes me think it's worse than win10 in this case.

I say this as i was able to play with the parameters you report with my i5-4570T in win10 with some stutters, so it seems quite strange that you can't play it with a not-T i7 6700... Ext2 is a very light filter, you should be able to run it with ASDM7EC with a mid-generation i7 in DSD256! I believe other users with the same CPU can.

So i think there's a problem with windows server 2016 or with your windows setup/configuration, i'd say...

[giordy60]

16 minutes ago, Luca72c said:

 

So i think there's a problem with windows server 2016 or with your windows setup/configuration, i'd say...

it can be ....🤷‍♂️

 

 

[Luca72c]

1 hour ago, Luca72c said:

 

Ok, today i tried 4.25.2 x64gen. Installation and configuration easy and fast as 4.25.1 x64amd, very good.

Performance is a bit worse, as i cannot play anymore ext3 and gauss-xla at 192 khz, so my limit is 96 khz just like in win10 hqpdesktop. Still i cannot play closed-form-16M at 96 khz and Sync-L at 44.1 khz, while i can in win10 hqpdesktop, so to summarize this time i'd say 10 to win10 and 9.9 to hqp os.

To be honest, i realized that when testing x64amd 2 days ago i didn't select a specific SDM rate but i leaved it to auto, while i only selected 12288000 as max SDM rate; this time i also selected 11289600 as SDM rate. I don't know if this can be the reason of better performance of hqp os x64amd embedded compared to win10 hqpdesktop, but as soon as i can i'll test again with identical settings.

Anyway i can say that with 4.25.2 x64gen, win10 performance are better than linux ones, totally unexpected! But true...

BUT: volume is not lower than win10 hqpdesktop's this time AND sound quality is much better than using x64amd (still i can't figure out how this can be). I mean MUCH better, this time it gives a real match to win10. Still a little sleek, but not in an unconvincing way, as sound is rich and punchy just like win10 hqpdesktop; naturalness and "reality" of instruments is still lower then using win10 hqpdesktop, but dynamics and transients are maybe even a bit better and most of all soundstage is a bit wider and there is more air. So i'd say this time really the choice is upon listener's taste and favourite music genres - surely better for jazz and the likes, a bit worse for pop and world music imho.

So this build is here to stay, i'll have 2 different "incarnations" of hqplayer to choose from (win10 + hqpdesktop and hqp os + embedded), depending on the type of music i'll want to listen to or on "taste of the day". The little lower performance compared to win10 is not a problem for me, being it so slight (as much as little higher performance of x64amd was not a game changer for me, nor a sufficient reason to switch to linux).

 

Well, i tested 4.25.2 x64amd taking care to select 11289600 as SDM rate and 12288000 as max SDM rate, this time. As i imagined, with this selection performance is exactly identical to x64gen! This means no ext3 nor gauss-xla with 192 khz files, just like in win10 hqpdesktop. More, no closed-form-16M at 96 khz nor Sync-L even at 44.1 khz, so a bit worse than win10 hqpdesktop.

BUT volume is higher than in 2 days ago test and sound quality is much better, practically very similar to x64gen's.

To me, this means that 2 days ago hqpembedded was playing at a lower SDM rate in some tests, and that led to (slightly) better performance compared to win10 hqpdesktop but also to lower sound quality and probably lower volume.

So to finally summarize (except if you have other tests to do), peformance-wise win10 hqpdesktop is 10, hqp os embedded is 9.9. This is what i tested on my system, in clear conflict with what many repeatedly state. No performance difference between (properly configured and setup, this is very important!) win10 and linux, if not slightly in favour of win10.

More, no significant sound quality difference between the two, but only a slight difference that could fit personal taste - in general i still prefer win10, but i'm happy to have both to choose when i have to listen to music 😉. Thank you Miska for your work!

[llamaluv]

Just wanted to give an update on HQPWV (HQPlayer Web Viewer), the open-source HQPlayer remote control app I've been working on.

 

Since last time I posted about it, I've added a bunch of features:

• Support for playlists (both for pre-existing HQPlayer library playlists, and the ability to create new ones)
• User defined "presets" (filter type + noise shaper type), which can be triggered based on the samplerate of the currently playing track. Or, two presets can automatically alternate when the track changes, which can be useful for A/B testing filters.
• Tracks can now be "liked", and the number of plays are tracked (a la Roon)
• A new play history view
• Search by artist, album, or track
• Dark and light color themes
   
• Support for HQPlayer Embedded
• Support for running HQPWV on a different machine than HQPlayer itself
• Plays nice with multiple instances of HQPlayer on the same network

I've also started a dedicated thread for HQPWV here.

 

Thanks!

[Miska]

20 hours ago, Luca72c said:

Still i cannot play closed-form-16M at 96 khz and Sync-L at 44.1 khz, while i can in win10 hqpdesktop

 

Are you maybe using Nvidia GPU for CUDA on Windows? Since HQPlayer OS doesn't support CUDA. It is supported on Ubuntu though, along with support for AMD GPUs as well.

 

[Luca72c]

28 minutes ago, Miska said:

 

Are you maybe using Nvidia GPU for CUDA on Windows? Since HQPlayer OS doesn't support CUDA. It is supported on Ubuntu though, along with support for AMD GPUs as well.

 

 

No, i don't use any gpu, only integrated intel graphics

[GMG]

Is there a way to change the username for the web interface of HQPlayer embedded?

 

[Miska]

59 minutes ago, GMG said:

Is there a way to change the username for the web interface of HQPlayer embedded?

 

Yes

sudo hqplayerd -s username password

Or if you are already root on HQPlayer OS for example, then same without "sudo".

 

[GMG]

Great. Thanks

[Raja]

Hi All,

 

Sorry to bother. Which NAA images do I need for a Cubox-I?

 

https://www.signalyst.eu/bins/naa/images/

 

-Raja

[mirekti]

@Miska
I am getting this when I start HQPlayer:

 

OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 32.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 33.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 34.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 35.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 36.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 37.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 38.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 39.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 40.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 41.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 42.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 43.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 44.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 45.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 46.
OMP: Warning #123: Ignoring invalid OS proc ID 47.

 

This is the log:
* 2021/09/01 17:22:38 Starting...
  2021/09/01 17:22:38 Signalyst HQPlayer 4 Desktop v4.12.2
  2021/09/01 17:22:38 Engine selected:
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 Restore GUI state
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 CUDA offload requested
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 libDSP version 21.19.0
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 HQPlayer Engine version 4.41.3
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 CUDA offload: all
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 Number of processor cores: 32
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 Core mask: 0000000000000000000000000000000001010101010101010101010101010101
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 CPU brand name: AuthenticAMD
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 Core pinning enabled
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 Pool mask: 1111111111111111111111111111111110101010101010101010101010101010
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 Pool: {1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15,17,19,21,23,25,27,29,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47}
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 Initial parallel threads: 32
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 Number of logical cores: 32
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 DSP thread pools enabled (6)
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 DSP pipelines enabled
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 Pipelined engine enabled
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 DirectSDM enabled
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 Audio engine: asio
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 Output set channels: 2 (2)
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 ASIO output drivers: 3
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 ASIO output found drivers:
  2021/09/01 17:22:42     'Blackmagic Audio' (0)
  2021/09/01 17:22:42     'I2SoverUSB Audio Device' (1)
  2021/09/01 17:22:42     'Realtek ASIO' (2)
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 ASIO output period time set
  2021/09/01 17:22:42 Loaded ASIO driver: I2SoverUSB Audio Device
! 2021/09/01 17:22:42 createEngine(): clHQPlayerEngine::Initialize(): clASIOEngine::InitAudioBase(): ASIOInit(): (-1000)

 

Any idea what is going on? When I start music in Roon I get it play.

[GMG]

I have a question about up sampling and streaming services,

 

I am using Qobuz and I can chose the streaming quality, CD or High-Res.

I was wondering what is the better/logical choice if I am up sampling to PCM 768? Is it better to stream the file from Qobuz in CD or Hi-Res quality?

I guess the answer really depends on how Qobuz are achieving both formats. 

Do they have 2 original/native formats or is one format an up/down sample of the other one?

[SunYang]

@Miska

Send HQP to DAC some information about Muting? Thanks 

[Miska]

On 9/1/2021 at 12:47 PM, Raja said:

Sorry to bother. Which NAA images do I need for a Cubox-I?

 

I don't support CuBox-i anymore. But you can install Debian there and the Debian Buster networkaudiod package (armhf architecture).

 

[Miska]

11 minutes ago, SunYang said:

@Miska

Send HQP to DAC some information about Muting? Thanks 

 

How?

 

[Miska]

12 hours ago, mirekti said:

Any idea what is going on? When I start music in Roon I get it play.

 

Maybe you have the ASIO driver already enabled in Roon?

 

You absolutely must have the DAC disabled in Roon if you use it with HQPlayer. Both WASAPI and ASIO drivers.

 

[SunYang]

1 hour ago, Miska said:

 

How?

 

BBB with Botic driver on connector P9 can on 1 of 4 serializers emulate Mute pin. Because I use 4 channels DSD, all serializers are occupied by DSD signals. So, I don’t understand from where information about muting originates. Is it from HQP or if Botic driver has no valid data then generates Mute signal? Is muting important if I use DSD256 only?

[Miska]

6 minutes ago, SunYang said:

BBB with Botic driver on connector P9 can on 1 of 4 serializers emulate Mute pin. Because I use 4 channels DSD, all serializers are occupied by DSD signals. So, I don’t understand from where information about muting originates. Is it from HQP or if Botic driver has no valid data then generates Mute signal? Is muting important if I use DSD256 only?

 

HQPlayer uses ALSA driver, so it doesn't know anything about Botic stuff. Driver should generate the mute signal.

 

Mute control is especially important for DSD because it takes a moment to establish signal state. For this reason, specification requires about 50 ms mute time at the beginning and at end of data. Otherwise you will get loud pops at start/stop.