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    I have been detecting quite a blow back to Atmos Music on line recently from both the old guard two channel guys and newer you tubers alike. The complaints mostly involve costs on the production end from engineers having to add more speakers to their studios and their rendering systems. The engineering folks are also upset about what they perceive as a push by Apple to supply Atmos mixes if they are submitting two channel product to their platforms. In short they feel as though Atmos is being shoved down their throats. There are others that complain about the home environment as well, as quite understandably they are not able to add a dedicated home theater room in an apartment or condo or a smaller single family home. I would add that this can be said about a two channel system as well, especially if it contains a subwoofer. Others just want to complain without ever hearing Atmos Music in a dedicated home system or after having heard it in a less than ideal theater setup. Others, unfortunately, just like to complain for the sake of complaining, or for clicks, or so it seems to me. Believe me, I fully understand the myriad issues involved in having a dedicated multichannel listening space. I feel fortunate I have one every time I sit down to listen to spatial audio or films. It is a wonderful experience I wish more had the opportunity to experience for themselves.  I feel they same way about a nice two channel experience as well, although I find myself listening more and more to spatial audio as time goes by.

     

    In any event, my rant is over.

     

    When I was over at a friend’s place recently I was amazed how much music that I liked was available on Apple Music in Atmos. It was recommended by my calibrator that I get the 2021 Apple TV device to enjoy Atmos music in my home theater. Oh, and finally watch Ted Lasso. The list that follows consists of some albums I have enjoyed during my initial foray into Apple Music Spatial Audio.

     

     

    1. John Coltrane - Blue Train

     

    This Atmos mix is an ear opener. One of the greatest jazz records of all time and my favorite Coltrane album along with the his collaboration with the great and under appreciated Johnny Hartman. The Atmos mix does what 2 channel can’t, namely give each musician their own sense of space. Great low end, tone, three dimensionality. Any Atmos naysayer and jazz fan needs to give this baby a listen. Fantastic. It is amazing what is truly on those master tapes. 1957. Wow.

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    2. John Coltrane and Johnny Hartman

     

    Released on Impulse, this recording is a true masterpiece. By this time, Coltrane was really getting into more free and abstract playing. But here he is at his lyrical and controlled best. His solos are a perfect complement to the beautiful phrasing of Johnny Hartman. The Atmos mix captures Mr. Hartman’s rich and deep voice perfectly. I have numerous versions of this recording, in mono and stereo, CD, vinyl, SACD, DSD. Domestic and foreign releases. None sound this good. Just listen to the brush and cymbal work by Elvin Jones and the beautiful fills played by McCoy Tyner on piano. When asked by people looking to get into jazz what recordings I would suggest, this one is on the short and my favorite jazz vocal album. Period. What a treat hearing it in Atmos. 

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    3. Just Coolin’ - Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers

     

    This album sat in the Blue Note vaults until its release in 2020. What a gem. Featuring Lee Morgan on trumpet, Hank Mobley on Sax,  Bobby Timmons on piano, Jamie Merritt on bass and Blakey on drums, this album is fantastic. The band gets into a grove and stays there the whole album. Just listen to the opening track, Hipsippy Blues and you will be hooked. I sure was. The entire band is laid out right in front of you. No gimmicky use of surrounds. Just you are in the studio sound.

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    4. Eliane Elias - Quietude

     

    From Brazil, Eliane Elias is probably best known for bossa nova but make no mistake, she is fine jazz pianist and singer who performs with husband Marc Johnson, who was the last bassist for Bill Evans. This recording finds her exploring her bossa nova roots once again. This recording has wonderful tone, smooth and is almost sensual. While listening, the word relaxed came immediately to mind, with her vocals hanging mid air in front of the acoustic guitar and piano. 

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    5. Raphael Feuillatre - Visages Baroques 

     

    While Apple Music has a nice collection of jazz in Atmos, its classical catalogue is much more expansive. I have been impressed with the Deutsche Grammophon Atmos mixes I have heard on physical media, so I started there. I came across this new recording of solo guitar baroque pieces. When you think of Atmos, you think of all those speakers and instruments but do not consider what Atmos can do with solo pieces like piano and guitar. This release is a perfect example of that. It places you right in the recording space, with a rich sound that has just the right amount of reverb. Very natural sounding so much so that you feel like you can almost reach out and touch the guitar. I really do not have a ton of experience with this type of music, but it seems to be performed with tremendous skill and superb sound quality.

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    6. Rafal Blechacz - Chopin

     

    Another new release from Deutsche Grammophon that captures the sound and acoustic environment of a solo performance wonderfully, this time of the piano. Very dynamic without a hint of stridency. I find across all genres of music that Atmos excels at capturing the scale and tone of the piano much more so than I have ever heard from two channel.

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    7. Yuja Wang and the Los Angeles Philharmonic/ Gustavo Dudamel- Rachmaninoff The Piano Concertos and Paganini Rhapsody

     

    This recording is not available in full until September but one track is available on Apple in Atmos and it is well worth a listen. Yuja Wang is, as expected, superb. What a talent! If you have heard the DG recordings of John Williams, you know what to expect with the capturing of the orchestra. Impactful yet with finesse. Looking forward to the full release. Hopefully it will be released on Blu ray so we can see this performance as well.

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    8. Randall Goosby, The Philadelphia Orchestra, Yannick Nézet-Séguin-Seguin- Max Bruch - Florence Price Violin Concertos

     

    Being from Philly, I can’t leave the classical genre with a recording from the local band, The Philadelphia Orchestra. Strolling through the classical Atmos catalogue has led me to discover some amazing young talents, like the featured soloist here, Randall Goosby. He gives an amazing performance here as does the entire orchestra of compelling music, beautifully captured by the folks at Decca and presented in Atmos. Classical orchestras or the symphony for my friends in the UK, was made for Atmos.

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    9. Molly Tuttle & Golden Highway - City of Gold

     

    I have to say I am not a fan of country, but for those that are, this is a very good Atmos mix to show off what this format is capable of if you are not into stodgy music like jazz and classical. This mix features a centered vocal, instrument separation and good dynamics. The surrounds are a bit too active for my tastes but the rest of the mix makes up for it. Check it out.

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    10. Joni Mitchell at Newport (Live)

     

    It is amazing that legend Joni Mitchell is able to perform again after suffering from a brain aneurism in 2015. With the help of Brandi Carlisle, she was able to get back into live performances, first at her home in California, and culminating in this set, her first visit to Newport since 1969 back on July 24, 2022. This set presents a wonderful tribute to Joni Mitchell with the help of Ms. Carlisle, Marcus Mumford, Taylor Goldsmith and Celisse on classics such as Big Yellow Taxi, A Case of You, Amelia, Circle Game, Help Me and Both Sides Now, just to name a few. This set was well recorded with an Atmos mix that places you up front in the audience that in turn wraps around you. Well done by the folks at Rhino.

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    Honorable Mention

     

    Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga- Love for Sale

     

    With the recent death of Toni Bennett I thought it appropriate to include his last release with Lady Gaga. I have heard the stereo release of this recording and found it to be so compressed to border on shrill. I couldn’t listen to it even though it features the usual great arrangements one finds on Tony Bennett recordings. However, when I saw it pop up in Atmos, I had to give it a listen. I am glad I did. It sounds wonderful in Atmos. The shrillness is gone, with silky strings galore. Shocking I know. This release in Atmos just goes to show you what is on these modern recordings before the mastering engineers crank up the compression at the request of the labels. I guess Atmos is so niche that the bean counters allow the Atmos engineers to work their magic, on their own.

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    It has been a real treat to be able to experience Atmos music in my home theater via a 2021 Apple TV. The good news is that more Atmos is added each week. Looking forward to more.

     

     

     

     

     




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    We text about these all the time, so you already know I love it @JoeWhip, but I had to repeat it anyway!

     

    Great stuff. Thanks for writing it up!

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    It is worth mentioning that the Atmos DSotM on Apple Music is nearly as good as the blueray in the 50th Anniversary box set. The lossy Atmos isn't really losing much and it can save you $300 and should be on everyone's Apple Music Atmos list.

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    Just now, scintilla said:

    It is worth mentioning that the Atmos DSotM on Apple Music is nearly as good as the blueray in the 50th Anniversary box set. The lossy Atmos isn't really losing much and it can save you $300 and should be on everyone's Apple Music Atmos list.

    Definitely worth mentioning!

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    The Apple Music version does lack that sense of space that is on the Blu ray. Yes, they are close though, close enough for most fans.

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    I was not expecting a collection of jazz and classical titles. Nicely done

     

    I have been spending most of my time lately listening to my vinyl rig but will bookmark this for a future listening session. Given that it was never intended to be released as  stereo much less multichannel, it will be interesting to compare the "Blue Train" to the vinyl releases Blue Note just put out, both  in mono and  stereo.  It was recorded in 1957 in Hackensack and first released as mono with a stereo version a few years later. Always curious how they digitally manipulate  it to get multichannel

     

    from

     

    https://londonjazzcollector.wordpress.com/record-labels-guide/labelography-2/blue-note-mono-stereo-and-pseudo-stereo/

     

    The initial purpose of two track recording was to allow the engineer more control in preparing the final mono mix, and was not intended for stereo.

    “…Everything that was made in Hackensack was mono. Even towards the very end when we were recording two-track we weren’t listening in stereo. We were recording in two-track and we were listening in mono because there was only one speaker in Hackensack in the control room and only one speaker in the studio. So how could you listen in stereo when you only have one speaker? And all the judgments, (producer Alfred Lion)’s judgments, as to mix and balance, and mine too and the musicians too and how they sounded in relationship to each other, and all that during the creative part of those recordings was done in mono. It couldn’t be any other way. Towards the end we were running two-track sessions but no one had ever listened to them. So there was no particular attention or attempt at creating a stereo field at that time.”

    Van Gelder Interview (1999)

     

     

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    1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Definitely worth mentioning!

     

    1 hour ago, scintilla said:

    It is worth mentioning that the Atmos DSotM on Apple Music is nearly as good as the blueray in the 50th Anniversary box set. The lossy Atmos isn't really losing much and it can save you $300 and should be on everyone's Apple Music Atmos list.

     

    Although I've been lurking here at Audiophile Style for the last couple of years, this is my first post, and I wanted to express my thanks for your in depth coverage of the various forms of immersive music reproduction. AND I wanted to express how thrilled I am that Apple has made so many albums available in Dolby Atmos on Apple Music! As I mentioned on another site, once I got my Apple TV 4k  device up and running with Apple Music, it was as if I'd died and gone to Dolby Atmos heaven! Wow!

     

    This is going to be a long post, so I beg your indulgence!

     

    One discussion point which I've seen here numerous times is that the spatial audio (Dolby Atmos) files on Apple Music are not truly uncompressed and are in fact lossy (per scintilla's comment in this thread). I think there has been a distinction made that uncompressed files could be described as "Dolby True HD Atmos", while Apple's Atmos files are compressed and lossy. And yet, when I check Apple's own site regarding compression of Apple Music files (in this case, via the Apple TV 4K device), I read the following:

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    But ALL the Dolby Atmos files I've seen on Apple Music show a sample rate of 48 kHz. (That's the read-out on my pre/pro.) Therefore, since they're NOT "greater than 48 kHz", I have to assume that they're UNcompressed. Am I missing something?

    That gets us to other interesting questions: Apple offers maybe 2/3 to 3/4 of the RCO (Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra) Live catalog in Dolby Atmos - all in 24/48. I have some of these albums downloaded from Native DSD in 5Ch DXD (24/352.8), which of course is higher resolution than 24/48. One of these albums I've now heard in 5Ch DXD and Dolby Atmos 24/48 is the Gatti Bruckner Ninth coupled with excerpts from Parsifal - one of the most wonderfully engineered recordings I've ever had the pleasure of listening to. So, because the master is indeed DXD, and Apple offers a 24/48 version in Dolby Atmos, does that mean that the Apple file is compressed (relative to a DXD file)? Is that what everyone on Audiophile Style is talking about? To me, that seems like a non-standard use of the term, "compressed" - but if that's what you guys are referring to, then at least I understand.

     


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    The broader question is, how much resolution are listeners willing to give up in order to get even more realistic spatial definition? I think I read a review in Stereophile from Kal Rubinson indicating that he in fact would be willing to do just that: give up some resolution in order to have the kind of spatial definition which Dolby Atmos offers. The question then becomes, how much resolution are we willing to give up to realize this improvement in spatial definition? For me right now, uncompressed (?) 24/48 is quite acceptable to get this kind of definition, but I'm sure that the answer will be different for different listeners. Thoughts?

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    24 minutes ago, Chris from Lafayette said:

     

     

    Although I've been lurking here at Audiophile Style for the last couple of years, this is my first post, and I wanted to express my thanks for your in depth coverage of the various forms of immersive music reproduction. AND I wanted to express how thrilled I am that Apple has made so many albums available in Dolby Atmos on Apple Music! As I mentioned on another site, once I got my Apple TV 4k  device up and running with Apple Music, it was as if I'd died and gone to Dolby Atmos heaven! Wow!

     

    This is going to be a long post, so I beg your indulgence!

     

    One discussion point which I've seen here numerous times is that the spatial audio (Dolby Atmos) files on Apple Music are not truly uncompressed and are in fact lossy (per scintilla's comment in this thread). I think there has been a distinction made that uncompressed files could be described as "Dolby True HD Atmos", while Apple's Atmos files are compressed and lossy. And yet, when I check Apple's own site regarding compression of Apple Music files (in this case, via the Apple TV 4K device), I read the following:

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    But ALL the Dolby Atmos files I've seen on Apple Music show a sample rate of 48 kHz. (That's the read-out on my pre/pro.) Therefore, since they're NOT "greater than 48 kHz", I have to assume that they're UNcompressed. Am I missing something?

    That gets us to other interesting questions: Apple offers maybe 2/3 to 3/4 of the RCO (Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra) Live catalog in Dolby Atmos - all in 24/48. I have some of these albums downloaded from Native DSD in 5Ch DXD (24/352.8), which of course is higher resolution than 24/48. One of these albums I've now heard in 5Ch DXD and Dolby Atmos 24/48 is the Gatti Bruckner Ninth coupled with excerpts from Parsifal - one of the most wonderfully engineered recordings I've ever had the pleasure of listening to. So, because the master is indeed DXD, and Apple offers a 24/48 version in Dolby Atmos, does that mean that the Apple file is compressed (relative to a DXD file)? Is that what everyone on Audiophile Style is talking about? To me, that seems like a non-standard use of the term, "compressed" - but if that's what you guys are referring to, then at least I understand.

     


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    The broader question is, how much resolution are listeners willing to give up in order to get even more realistic spatial definition? I think I read a review in Stereophile from Kal Rubinson indicating that he in fact would be willing to do just that: give up some resolution in order to have the kind of spatial definition which Dolby Atmos offers. The question then becomes, how much resolution are we willing to give up to realize this improvement in spatial definition? For me right now, uncompressed (?) 24/48 is quite acceptable to get this kind of definition, but I'm sure that the answer will be different for different listeners. Thoughts?

    Hi Chris, welcome to AS!

     

    First some terms, you likely know this though:

    compression: makes file size smaller, can be lossless or lossy compression. 
    lossless compression: no loss of quality. 
    lossy compression: loss from the original, in other words uncompressing it can’t recreate the original. 
     

    Apple Music streams Dolby Digital Plus JOC not lossless TrueHD Atmos. That’s a fact, no matter what documentation seems to say. Add an album to your library and it’s likely about 100 MB in size. That’s lossy. 

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    30 minutes ago, Chris from Lafayette said:

    Dolby Atmos, does that mean that the Apple file is compressed (relative to a DXD file)? Is that what everyone on Audiophile Style is talking about? To me, that seems like a non-standard use of the term, "compressed" - but if that's what you guys are referring to, then at least I understand.

    The master is DXD. The Atmos is likely mixed at 24/96 after downsampling, the released as 24/48 because currently 24/48 is the only Atmos release format. Sample rate has nothing to do with compression, whether lossless or lossy. 

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    Greetings,

     

    My biggest question having been using this function of my Apple TV for some time now is how to keep it organized/find everything?? I "save" some albums to my Apple Music library and some are there and some are not. But even those that are are just mishmashed with everything else. Their Spatial Audio tab is nice for browsing this week's/month's releases, but some are new and not there and many many more vanish as new albums come out. There is no way to truly search/sort by Dolby Atmos. I would love to be able to go to my own "Atmos" library and see the albums in various genres, composers, etc...as it now frankly is pretty useless. You just have to "know" that "X" album is in Atmos and go find it, listen to it, and hope you can find it again. Hence why I would love to see a Roon like solution here for this as I sort by any resolution, filter and/or tag a million ways to organize what is quickly growing to a huge Atmos library. I have looked a Amazon Prime and Tidal and their 'solutions" are not any better/arguably worse...so for now its Apple Music via my Apple TV and the Spatial Audio tab to find/play Atmos...plus the resolution issue which seems like a simple fix for Apple--release a better appleTV and all of their next gen devices to play HiRes in HiRes...seems crazy they havent done this despite having one of the largest hires and likely largest Atmos libraries of any music service.

     

    thoughts?

    thanks,

    Doug

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    6. Rafal Blechacz - Chopin

     

    Another new release from Deutsche Grammophon that captures the sound and acoustic environment of a solo performance wonderfully, this time of the piano. Very dynamic without a hint of stridency. I find across all genres of music that Atmos excels at capturing the scale and tone of the piano much more so than I have ever heard from two channel.

     

    Marche Funebre on this recording is sublime (and does not remind me THAT MUCH of the Undertaker's WWE Entrance!). 

     

     

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    4 hours ago, Douglasmaurer said:

    Greetings,

     

    My biggest question having been using this function of my Apple TV for some time now is how to keep it organized/find everything?? I "save" some albums to my Apple Music library and some are there and some are not. But even those that are are just mishmashed with everything else. Their Spatial Audio tab is nice for browsing this week's/month's releases, but some are new and not there and many many more vanish as new albums come out. There is no way to truly search/sort by Dolby Atmos. I would love to be able to go to my own "Atmos" library and see the albums in various genres, composers, etc...as it now frankly is pretty useless. You just have to "know" that "X" album is in Atmos and go find it, listen to it, and hope you can find it again. Hence why I would love to see a Roon like solution here for this as I sort by any resolution, filter and/or tag a million ways to organize what is quickly growing to a huge Atmos library. I have looked a Amazon Prime and Tidal and their 'solutions" are not any better/arguably worse...so for now its Apple Music via my Apple TV and the Spatial Audio tab to find/play Atmos...plus the resolution issue which seems like a simple fix for Apple--release a better appleTV and all of their next gen devices to play HiRes in HiRes...seems crazy they havent done this despite having one of the largest hires and likely largest Atmos libraries of any music service.

     

    thoughts?

    thanks,

    Doug

    Hi Doug, I agree that Apple Music has a less than good user interface. Fortunately I only use it for Atmos, so everything I favorite is Atmos. 
     

    If you search the Apple Music Classical app you can actually use the term spatial to find the Atmos stuff. 
     

    Ae are at the beginning of something great. It’ll get better. 

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    From the trenches:
    Note that in the Van Gelder quote that he mentions the difference between stereo and two-track: 

     'Even towards the very end when we were recording two-track we weren’t listening in stereo...'

    The tape machine used had two separate tracks and that is the reason that most of the early Blue Note 'stereo' releases are hard panned L/R. There's no stereo (as the panning circuit wouldn't be developed for years) unless it's made by the use of 2 microphones or more in some sort of stereo placement. Most of these recordings were made with 'spot' microphones and then routed to either track 1 or 2. Listening to the mono and routing to one track or another would allow for a proper balance. 

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    Joe. Molly Tuttle is Bluegrass. I'm finding I like listening to Bluegrass in Atmos. Country and Americana less but there are some interesting Americana Atmos mixes that growing on me..

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    Thanks Steve, but it is classified as country in the Apple Music spatial section. Glad you are enjoying it.

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    On 8/8/2023 at 2:48 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Hi Chris, welcome to AS!

     

    First some terms, you likely know this though:

    compression: makes file size smaller, can be lossless or lossy compression. 
    lossless compression: no loss of quality. 
    lossy compression: loss from the original, in other words uncompressing it can’t recreate the original. 
     

    Apple Music streams Dolby Digital Plus JOC not lossless TrueHD Atmos. That’s a fact, no matter what documentation seems to say. Add an album to your library and it’s likely about 100 MB in size. That’s lossy. 

     

    D'oh!

     

    My first post on this site and I was mentally in the Bahamas! I was using "compression" and "lossy" as interchangeable - so whenever I used the term "compression", I had in mind "lossy compression". Sorry for the confusion!

     

    So, despite Apple's claim to the contrary, we're concluding that Apple's Dolby Atmos files are lossy because of the file size? I'll try your suggestion of adding an album to my library. Thanks!

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    On 8/8/2023 at 2:52 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

    The master is DXD. The Atmos is likely mixed at 24/96 after downsampling, the released as 24/48 because currently 24/48 is the only Atmos release format. Sample rate has nothing to do with compression, whether lossless or lossy. 

     

    Indeed - that's why I described that use of the term as "non-standard". But again, I apologize for kind of promoting the confusion! 🙁

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    11 minutes ago, Chris from Lafayette said:

     

    Absolutely, I couldn't agree more - every day when I fire up Apple Music now, I'm like a kid in a candy store when it comes to Atmos. I never know what wonderful surprise I'll discover next!

    This is exactly how I feel!

     

    I’ve never been more excited about music and audio playback in my room!

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    Thanks to Chris from Lafayette for sharing the Apple settings. I never checked it out but after going to settings, apps, music, the box for “high quality AAC 256 was highlighted. I changed to “lossless ALAC UP TO 24 bit/48kHz”. I also agree that the DSOTM album is quite good, probably the first time I actually preferred the Atmos track over a track played through my two channel system. I’m not sure if posters here are using their multichannel processor and amps to listen to two channel content. Although my multichannel system is quite good (Trinnov altitude) , my 2 channel system is better so I typically I only use the multichannel system for movies only with the exception now if atmos tracks on Apple Music.

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    On 8/9/2023 at 11:04 PM, Sal1950 said:

    Apple stepped up and offered multich streaming when no one else would.

     

    Amazon Music HD and Tidal began to offer Dolby Atmos in 2019, before Apple. Apple was simply much better at promoting it as a feature of their service.

     

     

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    It also helps that the Apple TV+ works so well. The sound quality and picture out of that device is astounding,

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