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    High End Immersive Audio - One Year On

     

     

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    One year ago I installed a twelve channel immersive audio system, and crossed my fingers that I'd enjoy it. OK, I researched the heck out of immersive audio and had a pretty good idea the additional ten Wilson Audio loudspeakers, Merging Technologies DAC, five Mytek Audio amplifiers, "mile" of Transparent cable, and everything else it took to get the system up and running, were going to sound fantastic. Over the last year I've listened to more music, been more excited about music, and discovered more artists and genres than I had in the previous ten years combined. Immersive audio has unequivocally had a larger impact on my enjoyment of music as an audiophile than anything I've heretofore experienced. Period.

     

    In the last twelve months I've become a Shostakovich loving Deadhead who is even more into Pearl Jam than ever. Let me explain how I got to this blissful place in my audio life. 

     

    Screenshot 2023-06-20 at 8.12.29 AM.pngImmersive audio, consisting mainly of Dolby Atmos music, delivers an incredibly captivating experience that's far more than just different from what we've heard previously. Immersive audio offers the music industry its HDTV moment. We all remember when we saw an HDTV presentation for the first time. It wasn't just different from standard definition television, it was a captivating new experience that enabled us to see incredible detail and color. Immersive audio enables us to be enveloped by music, or not. It enables us to be placed in the concert hall, or not. It enables us to hear our favorite musicians in their own spaces across the soundstage, or not. Immersive audio is an enabler of creativity, from an artist's perspective, and an enabler of endlessly enjoyable musical experiences from an audiophile's perspective. 

     

    I carefully selected the words "enable" and "or not" in the previous sentences for a reason. Immersive audio doesn't mandate anything, such as a guitarist behind the listener and a drummer on the ceiling. Immersive audio is an enabler. It offers artists and engineers the option to create an audio presentation in a three dimensional space. Some embrace the capabilities, some eschew them, and some are oblivious. We must keep in mind that the music industry is vast and decentralized. If there was a single voice speaking about any one topic or style, then I'd get suspicious. The fact that tools now exists to enable more creativity for those who want it, is a great thing for artists and for music lovers. 

     


    Classically Obsessed

     

    Over the course of the last year I started listening to Morten Lindberg's recordings on the 2L record label. Morten is the OG of immersive audio, embracing it many years before people had even heard the term immersive. I'd previously listened to some of Morten's recordings in stereo and quickly concluded they weren't for me. Nothing about them interested me or brought out the smallest hint of emotion in me. Listening to his recordings on my 7.1.4 immersive audio system is otherworldly. Not because of the technical prowess, but because technology finally enables this music to breath and be reproduced in a way in which the listener can absorb it and enjoy it for what it is, great music performed by great musicians.

     

    2L-logo-Music-Store_360x copy.jpgFor example, the 2L album titled Reflections by Trondheimsolistene, opens with Benjamin Britten's Variations on a Theme of Frank Bridge for String Orchestra. To be honest, I don't even know if I wrote that the right way so as not to give myself up as a classical novice. However, the truth is that I couldn't care less. From the instant the music starts, I get goosebumps and feel a euphoric release of endorphins. This album, specifically this piece of music in TrueHD Dolby Atmos, pushed me into classical music with reckless abandon. Nothing, I repeat nothing, in my audio life has had such a large and lasting impact on my enjoyment of our wonderful hobby. A big tip of the cap to Morten Lindberg on this one.

     

    I've listened to this same piece of music in high resolution stereo a few times, and each time it falls flat to me. There is an unnatural squeezing of every musician into two front speakers, that by definition can't be bypassed. In a way I feel bad for Morten because he has to make stereo work. Fortunately he does a better job at this than 99% of people creating records today. Morten is a master of his craft. 

     

    brand.pngOnce I was "sold" on immersive classical music, I went on a shopping spree. I purchased everything from TRPTK, Deutsche Grammophon, Spirit of Turtle, etc... that I just might like. I didn't even taste test the music. I wanted it all. Immersive audio is that powerful. Among the immersive recordings that I now can't live without is the Berlin Philharmonic's Kirill Petrenko conducting Shostakovich’s Symphonies 8, 9, and 10 (link). The three symphonies are so magical and sound so fantastic that I researched Dmitri Shostakovich and the stories behind each of the symphonies. I wanted to know more about him and his music. That's how powerful immersive presentations of music can be. They turn disinterested folks into obsessive fans of everything related to the music. 

     

    I ordered the box set of this recording from one online store. Then the store had a hangup with the distributor, so I immediately ordered it from another source. I didn't want to wait any longer. I had to have this! The box ships with a nice book and beautiful packaging, but I would've purchased this one in a Ziploc baggie. The music is what it's all about for me and the emotional impact of Shostakovich’s Symphonies in TrueHD Dolby Atmos is immense. 

     

    Each week I search Apple Music Classical for new Shostakovich albums in Dolby Atmos. Apple Music Classical is a great upgrade over Apple Music because searching for the terms Shostakovich Spatial returns all the currently available Shostakovich albums in Atmos. Necessity is the mother of invention. I needed to find more immersive Shostakovich, so I eventually figured this query out on my own. 

     

     

    Deadhead?

     

    Prior to installing an immersive audio system, the only Grateful Dead song I liked was Touch of Grey. Let me be more specific. I like the 1 minute and 15 second shorter, single version, of Touch of Grey. Nothing about The Dead appealed to me. The music was a big messy ball of eclectic jamming that instantly made me tune out. Fast forward to the release of American Beauty in Dolby Atmos and the tides started to turn. This Steven Wilson mixed album sounded like an exploded technical drawing would sound if it was a piece of music, and in the best way. I can hear each musician in his own space. This album helped me realize that The Dead's music was more than a jammy mess of sound. It was created by talented musicians who needed room to breathe on the soundstage. 

     

    Then came the Dolby Atmos release of Europe '72 (Live 50th Anniversary Edition). I thought, oh boy, the band will be extra jammy, endlessly stretching out songs about which I don't care. I couldn't have been more wrong. A live album from 1972, also mixed by Steven Wilson, sucked me in as a new fan of the Dead's live performances. Songs I'd never heard and songs that I'd previously ignored with a passion, were all of a sudden speaking to me. Because I could hear each musician and I was enveloped by the sound, I understood the music and what was going on. Cramming all this beautiful music into two speakers is a compromise that shouldn't be repeated, now that we have the technology to reproduce it immersively. 

     

    This month, Mickey Hart's 2023 Dolby Atmos mix of Workingman's Dead was released, and it turned me into a Deadhead. In one year I went from Dead-averse to a Deadhead who wants more deep tracks in Dolby Atmos. Workingman's Dead is almost all new to me. This was a true test of Immersive audio's power. The old school tunes on American Beauty were slightly familiar, even if eschewed in stereo. The tracks on Wokingman felt like deep tracks for Dead fans (at least to me). 

     

    Right from the start of Uncle John's Band, Mickey Hart's mix puts the listener in an ideal position to hear everything, and supports the instruments with immersive backing vocals. Wow, this sounds like an incredible band capable of harmonizing like Crosby, Stills & Nash! What have I been missing my whole audiophile life! Now, I sit down and listen to Grateful Dead for the pure enjoyment of the music, and think absolutely zero thoughts about what I'm going to write or tell my friends. Immersive Dead is addicting and I want more. 

     


    A Bigger Pearl Jam Fan

     

    Pearl Jam changed my life in 1991. The band's music and causes spoke to me like nothing my 15 year old self had heard or felt. Since then, I've collected Pearl Jam vinyl and CDs, and seen the band at venues such as Wrigley Field, Fenway Park, Madison Square Garden, and Alpine Valley. I listen to Pearl Jam music in the car with my 11 year old daughter on the way to her school in the morning. It's the best 20 minutes of the day and I'll cherish the time forever. Sharing music that influenced me and continues to touch me, with her, is a real treat. 

     

    logo.pngI've listened to every Pearl Jam album a trillion times. It's impossible for me to get sick of the band's music and message. I can air guitar every mike McCready solo and belt out every Eddie Vedder verse as if my life depends on it. Because the original mix of the music was so ingrained in my head, I was a little nervous to try the Dolby Atmos mixes. Fortunately the new mixes brought another dimension of the band's music to me and I have a whole new respect for each member as a musician. 

     

    Once in a while a track with three guitarists, Mike, Stone, and Eddie, can get a little jumbled coming out of a stereo pair of speakers. There's only so much a mixing engineer can do to separate the sounds, yet make them a cohesive whole, in stereo. In Atmos, the band comes alive together and as individual musicians. 

     

    The 1998 album Yield is my current favorite Pearl Jam album available with an Atmos mix. Mixed by Josh Evans and Nick Rives at Capitol Studios, it's captivating from the opening guitar "warm-up" on the left side and spacious Jack Irons drum sound on Brain of J. I recently had a visitor, who is very familiar with Pearl Jam's music, come over to hear my immersive system. This was the first track I put on for him and it's the first track any Pearl Jam fan should put on an immersive system. It's three minutes of immersive bliss. 

     

    My favorite Pearl Jam track to hear in concert is Yield's Given to Fly. The Dolby Atmos mix of this track only lacks 20,000 jumping fans and their "Arms wide open with the sea as his floor." OK, a Pearl Jam lyric reference that must be experienced in concert to feel the gravity of it, followed by the whole crowd jumping with excitement (see video clip below). Like the rest of this album, I can listen to Given to Fly morning, noon, and night and enjoy the heck out of the immersive experience. It's as close to seeing the band in concert as one can get. 

     

    The Dolby Atmos versions of Pearl Jam albums are the only ones I listen to now. I hope more albums from the catalog are released in Atmos, and really hope high resolution TrueHD Dolby Atmos versions are made available on Blu-ray Disc or even download. 

     

     

     

     

     

    The System

     

    After using my immersive system for a year, I've adapted it and learned a ton about what it takes to reproduce 12 channels at the highest quality level. The one thing I would change, from my original design, is I would add one more subwoofer. One more Wilson Audio Lōkē, on the opposite side of the room could take my system up another notch. Other than that, there's nothing I would change. 

     

    Originally I was going to also use a Trinnov processor, but as it stands now, I don't think it's the right move for me. Trinnov will absolutely be the right move for many listeners because it just works and it works better than most other processors. A "big iron" processor isn't for me because I prefer to do as much on my computer as possible and take advantage of the nearly unlimited power of a computer. For example, I use 65,000 tap FIR filters for time and frequency room correction, and I play 24 bit / 352.8 kHz discrete immersive music. Neither are possible with any current processor. In addition to the super high resolution of the filters, I use the filters and Hang Loose Convolver to route channels. I can play a discrete immersive 5.1.4 DXD album on my 7.1.4 system just by using the right filter that sends the audio to the correct 10 of 12 channels. 

     

    I'm also very happy I selected the biggest speakers I could reasonably put in my room and on the walls. There's no bypassing the laws of physics. Speakers need to move air. Putting Wilson Audio Alidas on the walls and ceiling was unfamiliar territory for me, but now I wouldn't have it any other way. The new Alexia V speakers for my front left and right channels are stunning with immersive as well as stereo playback. Powering the Alidas with Mytek Brooklyn+ amps is still something I would do today. The amps are great and I still love the flexibility. I may move my immersive electronics around a bit in the room. Having five amps for the surrounds, center, and height channels enables me to move amps granularly as I see fit. 

     

    The cabling I selected is also best in class. I've heard people refer to my pair of custom Transparent eight channel cables as unicorn cables, and in a way that's true. Transparent is capable of building almost anything, at incredibly high quality, so I thought I'd ask for the moon. The team at Transparent delivered and I can't complain. I also have endless confidence that the Transparent cabling I ran inside the walls was the right move. I never want to upgrade those cables, because rerunning in-wall cables isn't easy, and based on the performance I'm getting an upgrade won't be mecessary. 

     

    On the digital side, I absolutely love the Merging Technologies Anubis and HAPI Mk2 converters. The Anubis sits at my listening position, with its large volume control and mute button. It's a luxury that all audiophiles should have. The HAPI Mk2 is endlessly configurable and sounds terrific with its support for everything from mono to sixteen channels at 44.1 through 384 kHz and up through DSD256. I'd like to try converters from some of the storied high end companies, but as of this writing, none of them have ventured into the immersive market. 

     

    I love my system so much that I've had irrational thoughts of purchasing two of certain items, just in case they go out of production and I can't get them repaired. That's a true sign of satisfaction with a system and enjoyment from what the system delivers.

     

     

    One Year Wrap Up

     

    One year on and I'm even more enthusiastic about immersive audio than I was at the start of this journey. My enthusiasm comes from both the music and what I see in the marketplace. Dolby Atmos music enables record labels to deliver a single file containing everything from stereo and/or binaural to twelve and sixteen channels of playback. More mainstream Atmos music enters the streaming services on a daily basis (Atmos Music Search). I also see more physical Atmos music releases on the way as well as downloads. Both good signs for the format of the future. 

     

    Music from Shostakovich to the Dead to Pearl Jam has been absolutely amazing for my musical enjoyment. I can't imagine researching the life and music of Dmitri Shostakovich unless something made me incredibly excited about both. That something is immersive audio. Everyone should also keep in mind that immersive music has ups and downs, good and bad mixes, but just like stereo releases, we don't judge an entire format on its worst performance. We look at the whole body of work. One great thing about immersive mixes is that the engineers are consistently getting better at their craft, even updating already released mixes on the fly. 

     

    When I started on this immersive journey I wasn't even sure I could pull off installation of such a system. It's no small feat to install a proper immersive system. I know as well as anyone. However, where there's a will, there's a way. It took me months of thinking about it and daydreaming about it, before I had a plan that I thought would work. Not only does the system work, it's absolutely amazing from both subjective and objective points of view.

     

    Like most people reading this, music plays a huge role in my life. An audio system and music capable of bringing more satisfaction and enjoyment to my musical life is truly something to behold. Immersive audio is that something, and there's nothing like it.
     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Note: If the video above doesn't work well, please click here to view it on the Matterport site.




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    Congrats on a great year!

     

    Please expand on your subwoofer thoughts.  Why is one Loke coming up a bit short of ideal?  Why two Lokes instead of one larger sub, either from Wilson or someone else?  Thanks

     

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    For me, the Atmos experience keeps getting better and better.

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    OK, that's it !!!!  .... I'm going to have to stop coming here because every time I do it costs me too much $$ buying new BluRays 🙁

     

    so am I correct that the Dead stuff is only available by streaming?

     

     

     

     

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    Yes, great article.  I loved this quote from John Couling of Dolby Labs:

    “When you take sounds and you separate them from each other,” Couling said, “you will be able to hear those sounds independently much more clearly than if they are on top of each other. By creating space, we also create depth and clarity — and we found that’s what content creators really wanted.”

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    Just now, ted_b said:

    Yes, great article.  I loved this quote from John Couling of Dolby Labs:

    “When you take sounds and you separate them from each other,” Couling said, “you will be able to hear those sounds independently much more clearly than if they are on top of each other. By creating space, we also create depth and clarity — and we found that’s what content creators really wanted.”

    100% This is a huge part of immersive audio that people can’t grasp until they’ve experienced it. 
     

    It’s also a “hidden” part that I never thought about until one day I “got it.” All five guys in Pearl Jam in their own space yet a cohesive whole sound. It’s amazing. 
     

     

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    Yes, that part of immersive mixing is a real benefit, the ability for instruments to breathe and decay in their own space....regardless of whether the mix is aggressive, conservative, etc.  Bill Frisell's Four is not a demo disc, but the space the four of them now have is sooo musical.  And I especially notice it now that I've time-aligned my 7.1.4 setup using SACT (I emailed you about it but my emails to you are problematic lately, I think).

    Ted

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    1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    100% This is a huge part of immersive audio that people can’t grasp until they’ve experienced it. 
     

    It’s also a “hidden” part that I never thought about until one day I “got it.” All five guys in Pearl Jam in their own space yet a cohesive whole sound. It’s amazing. 
     

     

    That is exactly what I hear in the Blue Train mix. Once you hear it, you want more. Don’t tell Michael Fremer though.

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    I'm very glad to hear you "get it" when it comes to

    the tremendous musical qualities multich reproduction

    brings to the plate. I've had some sort of multich rig

    running here for 40+ years and would never be satisfied

    with stereo only.

    Enjoy

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    13 hours ago, Sal1950 said:

    I'm very glad to hear you "get it" when it comes to

    the tremendous musical qualities multich reproduction

    brings to the plate. I've had some sort of multich rig

    running here for 40+ years and would never be satisfied

    with stereo only.

    Enjoy

    Same here (decades into multichannel) BUT do you have an Atmos or Auro-3D setup?  It is fundamentally different, and the inclusion of a third dimension allows almost all mixes (some are dreadful and faux) to breathe like standard 5.1 or 7.1 hasn't been able to.

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    @Sal1950 after rereading my post I am sorry it came across the way it did; that is, crass and pouty.  I didn't mean to any way besmerch your comments about multichannel, or put down your system as not worthy compared to Atmos!  I meant to say (and its too late to edit) that those of us who've invested in nice multichannel systems owe it to ourselves to dip a toe in the immersive aka height side of things (although it requires more than speakers).  The knowledge you have as a multichannel listener will be paid back in spades when your favorites are presented to you in much more breathing space.  I think us multichannel admirers need to be a big part of the momentum for the adoption of more and more immersive .  My $.02

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    3 hours ago, ted_b said:

    @Sal1950 after rereading my post I am sorry it came across the way it did; that is, crass and pouty.  I didn't mean to any way besmerch your comments about multichannel, or put down your system as not worthy compared to Atmos!  I meant to say (and its too late to edit) that those of us who've invested in nice multichannel systems owe it to ourselves to dip a toe in the immersive aka height side of things (although it requires more than speakers).  The knowledge you have as a multichannel listener will be paid back in spades when your favorites are presented to you in much more breathing space.  I think us multichannel admirers need to be a big part of the momentum for the adoption of more and more immersive .  My $.02

    No problem  ;)

    Yes, I have a full 5.2.4 rig.  Full details are in my profile. 
     

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    Are there any lessons you learned or advice that would be relevant for people who don't have unlimited funds for Wilson speakers? I myself have run a budget 5.1 HT system for years and find the experience superior to my (much more pricey) 2.1 stereo, heresy though that may be.

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    Chris,  Hope you don't mind if I add a comment or two here as I've been at this surround thing for

    near 40 years.

    Match your base speakers as closely as possible, whether 5. or 7.  You wouldn't put a different speaker on the L & R channels of a stereo and expect SOTA imaging results would you?  Of course for most everyone putting matching speakers on the ceiling is near impossible but do try to match timbre as best you can. Then use whatever DRC you have to get the tops to tonally blend as well as can be.

    A little bit of effort will bring you years of pleasure.

     

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    5 minutes ago, Sal1950 said:

    Chris,  Hope you don't mind if I add a comment or two here as I've been at this surround thing for

    near 40 years.

    Match your base speakers as closely as possible, whether 5. or 7.  You wouldn't put a different speaker on the L & R channels of a stereo and expect SOTA imaging results would you?  Of course for most everyone putting matching speakers on the ceiling is near impossible but do try to match timbre as best you can. Then use whatever DRC you have to get the tops to tonally blend as well as can be.

    A little bit of effort will bring you years of pleasure.

     

    100%. 

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    On 6/21/2023 at 11:39 AM, bbosler said:

    OK, that's it !!!!  .... I'm going to have to stop coming here because every time I do it costs me too much $$ buying new BluRays 🙁

     

    so am I correct that the Dead stuff is only available by streaming?

     

     

     

     

    Yes. And it's a darn shame. It's a far inferior method of delivery and it's totally unfair to the faithful fans like myself who paid good money to purchase each of their albums in every format imaginable. I am still hopeful that these new Atmos mixes will be made available as physical media one day but I'm not sure there is a big enough market to make it viable.

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    Chris,

    On behalf of the International Brotherhood of Groovy Motherfcukers, I’d like to welcome you into the ranks of Deadheads!

     

    After my formative, pre-teen years of listening to Duran Duran, the Stray Cats, J Giles Band, the Doors, Led Zeppelin, The Who, and RUSH,… I discovered the Dead and tumbled deeply down a rabbit hole from which I have yet to emerge. It was through the Dead that I discovered classic Bakersfield Country, Bluegrass, Buddy Holly, Django Reinhardt, John Coltrane, Ornette Coleman, World music, and much more. 
     

    Generally, Deadheads have extremely big and open ears (as Miles Davis attested in his autobiography). As a curious and ravenous music fan, I get uncomfortable whenever I encounter music that is popular, but I don’t “get.” Like a food I don’t like, I am drawn to consume it until I either like it, or can at least understand its appeal. It can be difficult when people I respect quickly dismiss the Grateful Dead. I reflexively want to turn them on, but it is sort of a hopeless effort. Within the universe of music, they are an outlier in many ways. They have a wildly diverse catalogue, and a loose back-beat and Dixieland-like style of collective improvisation that is very unusual within the context of rock ‘n’ roll. I get that they are not that accessible. Paradoxically, you almost have to become familiar with their music before you can really get full enjoyment out of it. As with jazz, much of the music‘s magic is in the live performances; listening to how the same song can take on a different feels on different nights, and hearing the musical conversations between band members as they lightly improvise over a familiar tune. You are not going to hear that unless you know the songs.
     

    An exercise for the Dead-curious:

    Pick your favorite Dead tune and head over to the Headyversion website, where fans upvote their favorite live versions of Dead songs. Listen to the top five versions, hopefully spread across multiple decades. Listen to the players. Listen to how they react to each other and how they are all playing the song, but none of them are actually playing at straight.

     

    There are many entry-points into the Dead. There are also many obstacles. Their popularity seems to be increasing yearly, especially with young people. The punks and indie rockers I love, but were dismissive of the Dead early in their careers, are now covering their songs. (I credit Sirius/XM for maintaining their popularity during the decade after Garcia’s death,…before their popularity began to climb again.) They are as responsible for creating the Americana genre as any band. For audiophiles, the history is rich. No other band contributed more to the improvement of live concert sound (McIntosh>JBL,…nurturing new brands like Mark Levinson, Meyer Sound, and Parasound). No other fanbase was as immersed in “hifi” than the Dead’s Taper corps. 
     

    So,…what’s my point? Just to say welcome and thanks. Welcome to the fun world that is the Grateful Dead’s music and thanks for giving them their well-deserved props. I think Deadheads like me do not want to proselytize, but we love it when someone we respect walks into the party. 

     

     

     

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    23 minutes ago, Temporal_Dissident said:

    Chris,

    On behalf of the International Brotherhood of Groovy Motherfcukers, I’d like to welcome you into the ranks of Deadheads!

     

    After my formative, pre-teen years of listening to Duran Duran, the Stray Cats, J Giles Band, the Doors, Led Zeppelin, The Who, and RUSH,… I discovered the Dead and tumbled deeply down a rabbit hole from which I have yet to emerge. It was through the Dead that I discovered classic Bakersfield Country, Bluegrass, Buddy Holly, Django Reinhardt, John Coltrane, Ornette Coleman, World music, and much more. 
     

    Generally, Deadheads have extremely big and open ears (as Miles Davis attested in his autobiography). As a curious and ravenous music fan, I get uncomfortable whenever I encounter music that is popular, but I don’t “get.” Like a food I don’t like, I am drawn to consume it until I either like it, or can at least understand its appeal. It can be difficult when people I respect quickly dismiss the Grateful Dead. I reflexively want to turn them on, but it is sort of a hopeless effort. Within the universe of music, they are an outlier in many ways. They have a wildly diverse catalogue, and a loose back-beat and Dixieland-like style of collective improvisation that is very unusual within the context of rock ‘n’ roll. I get that they are not that accessible. Paradoxically, you almost have to become familiar with their music before you can really get full enjoyment out of it. As with jazz, much of the music‘s magic is in the live performances; listening to how the same song can take on a different feels on different nights, and hearing the musical conversations between band members as they lightly improvise over a familiar tune. You are not going to hear that unless you know the songs.
     

    An exercise for the Dead-curious:

    Pick your favorite Dead tune and head over to the Headyversion website, where fans upvote their favorite live versions of Dead songs. Listen to the top five versions, hopefully spread across multiple decades. Listen to the players. Listen to how they react to each other and how they are all playing the song, but none of them are actually playing at straight.

     

    There are many entry-points into the Dead. There are also many obstacles. Their popularity seems to be increasing yearly, especially with young people. The punks and indie rockers I love, but were dismissive of the Dead early in their careers, are now covering their songs. (I credit Sirius/XM for maintaining their popularity during the decade after Garcia’s death,…before their popularity began to climb again.) They are as responsible for creating the Americana genre as any band. For audiophiles, the history is rich. No other band contributed more to the improvement of live concert sound (McIntosh>JBL,…nurturing new brands like Mark Levinson, Meyer Sound, and Parasound). No other fanbase was as immersed in “hifi” than the Dead’s Taper corps. 
     

    So,…what’s my point? Just to say welcome and thanks. Welcome to the fun world that is the Grateful Dead’s music and thanks for giving them their well-deserved props. I think Deadheads like me do not want to proselytize, but we love it when someone we respect walks into the party. 

     

     

     

     

    Thanks so much for the comments. It's really nice to read about this stuff, as I know next to nothing about the Dead. I didn't get them for so long, so I ignored all the conversations from which I could've learned quite a bit. I knew there had to be something to the music and personalities, so I keep at it over the years. Listening once in a while. It took the immersive versions of these albums to make me a big fan. I know that may sound strange to some people, but it's true. 

     

    Now I could listen to Workingman's Dead on an AM radio and enjoy it. It's because I have an idea what's going on. the Atmos version presented this music like nothing I've ever heard. 

     

    Also, you're a wise man, not to push the Dead on anyone, rather let them find their way to it. I feel a satisfaction because nobody "made" me listen or even pushed me to get into it. I spent time with the Atmos mixes and was hooked. Now I want more of the music and to know more about the band and the culture. 

     

    Life is good :~)

     

     

     

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    On 6/21/2023 at 5:16 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

    100% This is a huge part of immersive audio that people can’t grasp until they’ve experienced it. 
     

    It’s also a “hidden” part that I never thought about until one day I “got it.” All five guys in Pearl Jam in their own space yet a cohesive whole sound. It’s amazing. 
     

     

    Or some just don't like it or want it 🤷‍♂️.   Just another point of view here 🙂👍  I grasp it, but don't want drums above my head, bass 2in from my nose, sounds coming from everywhere.  Its great to have choices and respect those who get into it, but like anything, atmos isn't the greatest thing ever made.  

     

    Getting bombarded with immersive everything, isn't making it more interesting (for me), it's actually exhausting to be honest.  In a way immersive is coming off much like MQA.  Not the technology, just the hype, discussions etc..  Feels like its being forced on us and possibly by some music delivery companies requirements ($$).  A shiny new toy, format 🙂

     

    Its technically cool and what can be done with it is also cool, but that's where it ends for me.  It's another (surround sound) effect and IMHO is for home theater or HP.  Another format to get people to spend $ on another version of dark side of the moon.  No thank you - redbook, highres, dsd, mqa, dvda, blueray etc...  It just never ends.

     

    There is a slew of sub-topics WRT economics, mixing etc.. and I'm just providing another prospective and again in no way criticizing it as a choice for anyone.  If it makes one happy, great!  👍

     

    The stereo mix is the most important to me 100% because I want to listen to music first and foremost (like the way you hear it), not really into the audio gymnastics / cool effect factor.  My .02 

     

     

     

     

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