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    I Wanna Be Sedated, I Mean Forgotten

     

     

        

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    I thought about titling this article, Vinyl Is So Much Better Than Digital, but that would be a bit over the top and misleading. Instead, I tipped my cap to The Ramones' 1978 single. The one thing I believe vinyl has over current digital is anonymity. Vinyl lovers can walk into a local record shop, put a C-note on the counter, walk out with two albums, and spin them until they fall apart, without anyone knowing anything. Just typing that feels freeing.

     

    On the digital side of this wonderful hobby we can’t even search for an album without it going on our permanent record, and having that record linked to a thousand other databases full of information about us. Perhaps I’m an outlier for even caring, and in some circles I’m probably a whack-job, but just because I’m paranoid doesn’t meant mean my music apps aren’t out to get me :~)

     

    Camel_MoreDoctors_RedOnCall_1946-1-819x1024.jpgIt’s hard for me to believe we’re at a place where the largest music streaming service in the world, Spotify, not only tracks everything its users do, but it sells that information to record labels, and at the end of the year it packages the data up nicely and presents a portion of it back to its paying customers. And, wait for it, people want more of it! They proudly share the results of Spotify Wrapped with everyone following their social media accounts. Some day we’ll look back on this the same way we look back on medical doctors in cigarette advertisements. WTF were we thinking?

     

    IMG_1597.jpegOh come one, who cares if “they” know I stream ABBA every morning at 7:00 from Tidal, in Minneapolis, MN, to a zone titled Living Room, on a product named dCS Rossini APEX that used report being a dCS Lina, using room correction titled Wilson Audio Alexia V, controlled from an iPhone 15 Pro Max using an app that says its collecting data specifically linked to me containing my location, search history, contact info, identifiers, diagnostics, user content, usage data, and something titled other data?

     

    Who cares if this information is collected globally and provides a view into how many devices manufacturers are selling, have sold, have upgraded, how the products work, their feature sets, how people use the products, who uses the products, and this information is tied to a thousand other databases full of information, and if a company holding all this information also has the ability to design and manufacturer any products for which it knows there’s a market?

     

    This is all happening right now.

     

    wagon.pngChange is neither bad nor good in and of itself. As I was thinking about this article in the car on the way home from dropping my daughter off at school, a couple other topics came to mind. I remember being five years old in 1980. I used to sit on the armrest between the two front seats in my dad’s station wagon. Every day, on my way to preschool, hockey practice, and through snow storms because it provided me the best view. Seatbelt? Come on, nobody I knew had ever worn a seatbelt. I’m unsure if they were even functional in my dad’s car. Plus, my mom use to hold her arm out horizontally across my chest, from the passenger seat, to save me from going through the windshield during sudden stops.

     

    When I was a few years older, my friends and I got to sit in the rear facing backseat of the station wagon. This way we could at least see the 18-wheeler bearing down on us, as its brakes smoked and the driver looked for the nearest runaway truck exit ramp.

     

    Fortunately, all of us who survived, travel a little safer now. The change was good. Although I would still like the freedom to legally not wear a seatbelt if I wish, and to not have my car scream at me if I choose to do so.

     

    The other topic I thought about, and trust me I will connect this with HiFi, is agriculture. Back in the day conventional agriculture used no chemical fertilizers, pesticides, or other artificial agents. Everything was organic, not by choice but because it’s all that was available. Now, organic and conventional agriculture couldn’t be more opposite, and the definition of conventional that pertains to following traditional methods and being ordinary, is out the window.

     

    The same can be said of HiFi and music listening. Conventional HiFi now means that we as consumers are the product in most cases, and we pay for that “privilege.” I’m not pointing fingers at any company or my fellow audiophiles. This is about balance. If we get something for giving up something else, and that exchange is acceptable for consenting adults, then I have no problems with the situation. The change from anonymous listening to big brother with a database of everything you search for, click on, look at and listen to, does seem to be OK with most people.

     

    Genre-Sandwich.pngIf the data collected is used to enhance our enjoyment of this wonderful hobby, that’s a great outcome. Unfortunately it isn’t the only outcome. When the data collection and statistics influence listening behavior, something is very wrong. I personally know people who listen to specific artists at specific times, solely because they know Spotify is keeping track and it will show up on their Spotify Wrapped yearly numbers. Sounds like a personal problem, that all the self-actualized members of this community can safely ignore. Plus, we don’t use Spotify do we?

     

    We do use plenty of other music apps and services that are, “all up in our business.” It can be hard to ignore the fact that for digital audiophiles, privacy is dead. The days of voluntarily sending in an informational postcard that shipped with a product seem quaint. Now, we are the product. In addition, for HiFi manufacturers who are “partners” with other companies, their privacy is also dead. More data about their products’ usage, than even the manufacturers know, and direct access to their customers is now in the hands of competitors.

     

    Each audiophile and HiFi manufacturer gets to decide if the tradeoff is a good one. For the most part, I’d say the tradeoff is worth it. But as time goes by, and more information about what’s done with data becomes available, and smaller companies are purchased by larger companies with different goals, I get more concerned. Can’t a guy just search for an artist, click on an album, and listen to some tunes without being tracked each step of the way by the man? It makes me want to put a CD into my nonexistent CD player, or god forbid unwrap that pristine Pearl Jam Benaroya Hall vinyl boxed set and spin it on my nonexistent turntable.

     

     

     

     

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    On 3/14/2024 at 10:21 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Thanks for the thoughtful reply @SQFIRST

     

    Yes, the venting felt good and necessary :~)
     

    You’re totally right that it’s hard to evade the constant surveillance. I think if most people knew how much they were surveilled, they’d absolutely revolt. It’s just impossible for people to be experts on surveillance, unless they are experts on surveillance. 
     

    I removed all tracking from this site because I think it’s terrible and I think at least some people will appreciate the freedom from it. However, if I wanted to be like other sites I could track every click, how long people looked at specific comments (not just a page full of comments, but a specific comment), what they type into the comments box but end up deleting before hitting save/publish, how they use the mouse/trackpad/screen to scroll and what specific items on each page grab their attention most, how long in milliseconds they look at each paragraph/comment, what their cursor hovers over, blah blah blah (and tie it into other databases loaded with info). You likely know all this, but most people have no clue that other sites do this and much much more. 
     

    Anyone want to drive one of these cars, after reading this - https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/technology/carmakers-driver-tracking-insurance.html?unlocked_article_code=1.c00.5E0P.6Yhhg8zT5Vwa&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

     

     

    Bringing it back to HiFi, because it’s so easy to get sidetracked on this topic, I really hope people think about the bigger picture. It’s about much more than Tidal knowing I listen to ABBA. It’s also how this expands into huge companies knowing about the smaller companies and having data that could be very detrimental to the smaller guys. In the long run we all lose if this data is used in certain ways.
     

    As you can probably tell, I’m not a fan of letting stuff slide just because it has been going on for a while. I’d like to live in my private residence without audio companies tracking my every search, scroll, click, play, pause, skip, etc… 

     

    I’m all for giving people the option to enable digital surveillance, in order to receive what they believe are the benefits derived from it. Or, maybe it can be looked at another way. I’m all for a company asking me to pay more if I won’t allow them to make money off my data. 
     

    Some days I wish I lived in a one room shack in the middle of nowhere in Montana. But we know how that story ends. Maybe I just need to pretend I don’t know anything about digital surveillance and tell myself it’s really not that bad :~)

     

    Thanks again for the comments. 

     

     

    Holy Crap, I think i'll keep the no computer and barely any assist 1992 Porsche I am driving currently after reading that article.

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    This is all rather disturbing, so how to fight back? What software tools are out there to:

     

    - Identify the source of 'call home'

    - How to block those calls

    - Prevent the calls from re-occuring

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    4 minutes ago, One and a half said:

    This is all rather disturbing, so how to fight back? What software tools are out there to:

     

    - Identify the source of 'call home'

    - How to block those calls

    - Prevent the calls from re-occuring


    For many apps, the companies are way ahead of us. The apps won’t function without calls home. 
     

    I use Pi-Hole and it helps but also reveals how much our devices call home. It’s insane. 

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    1 hour ago, One and a half said:

    This is all rather disturbing, so how to fight back? What software tools are out there to:

     

    - Identify the source of 'call home'

    - How to block those calls

    - Prevent the calls from re-occuring

    Just think about what your upnp/dlna distributed libraries / folders may tell about your equipment, privat life and library, don't panic ...
    After reading @The Computer Audiophile 's article using BubbleUPNP for network streaming just doesn't feel  anymore as easy like before.

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    One of the things that a friend does, and I've started copying on a minor basis, is making fictions and nonsense about me and putting that online.

     

    Does a site/product want a registration? Make up data and use that! As long as I keep a record of registrations, who's going to know that addresses, DOB, other preferences, hobbies, are fiction.

     

    My friend (on one site) has a PhD in macramé, lives in Tierra del Fuego, and is 125 years old.:D

     

    Running a VPN also has advantages, and many browsers now can delete tracking, etc. if those options are active.

     

    Make your data not only difficult to access but fancifully inaccurate.B|

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    Yeah, Chris, you are absolutely right that surveillance capitalism is a very creepy thing.  Just the other day my Alexa, out of the blue, told me it noticed that I had two items in my Amazon shopping cart that had been there for three days and asked if it could complete the order for me by receiving my verbal assented right then and there.  Yeah, real, real creepy.

     

    And the other thing that gets me is this stuff is our life data, and it's being strip mined from us and sold for the profit of the strip miners without giving the original owner so much as one red cent.  Think about it.  Mark Zuckerberg is worth upwards of $50 Billion because he took yours and my private and personal data (which we may unwittingly half-consented to supply or not) and sold it to marketeers, potential employers, credit bureaus, insurance companies, law enforcement agencies, and, for all we know, Russian intelligence, so those parties could manipulate us with ads; discriminate against us in employment, credit, and health insurance decisions; track us down for legal infractions; and propagandize us around election time with special ads narrowly tailored to hit our hottest buttons. 

     

    These data mining activities are anything but harmless. Very often having a large set of seeming innocuous and unrelated factoids like whether we listen to ABBA at 8am is enough for the collectors of that data to form a very complete picture of who we are and to use it for their own purposes which may or may not be in our own best interests.

     

    The European Union has recognized the problem and responded with some stringent privacy regulation.  Good luck on ever seeing that happen here.

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    4 hours ago, GregWormald said:

    One of the things that a friend does, and I've started copying on a minor basis, is making fictions and nonsense about me and putting that online.

     

    Does a site/product want a registration? Make up data and use that! As long as I keep a record of registrations, who's going to know that addresses, DOB, other preferences, hobbies, are fiction.

     

    My friend (on one site) has a PhD in macramé, lives in Tierra del Fuego, and is 125 years old.:D

     

    Running a VPN also has advantages, and many browsers now can delete tracking, etc. if those options are active.

     

    Make your data not only difficult to access but fancifully inaccurate.B|

    Good one ! I have two dates of birth the real one for govt departments, the other is the origin of Unix 1/1/1970.

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    I hear you cry, but a record player won't solve the problem. Where are you going to buy the records, please not Amazon or Discogs. You can store audio files locally and play them. If you're worried about calling home, a firewall blocking outgoing traffic might prevent this.
    Apart from that, vinyl is a fantastic journey that I wouldn't want to miss - since more than two years.

    P.S.: The Camel advertisement is fantastic! Incredible!

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    I worked in implementing HIPAA and GDPR.
    They really do not provide that much protection. Most of time you can overcome limits by having official data management representative, load of paperwork covering your proceedings and proper contracts with partners. You must inform what and why you are collecting. You must remove data from system if requested. But, nobody reads fine print and 0.000001% of people request data to be removed.

     

    Using fake identity won't help you much, too. You still can be identified by IP address, cookies, supercookies, fingerprinting. Maybe small business can't, but behemoths like Google can definitely associate data from many sources and "marketing partnership".
    You can't trust what VPN provider does with info about you. Many VPN services share logs with agencies on request. Well, you really don't know, if your VPN provider is an agency's operation or isn't.
    If you have to pay with credit card, then you are owned.

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    12 minutes ago, maxijazz said:

    I worked in implementing HIPAA and GDPR.
    They really do not provide that much protection. Most of time you can overcome limits by having official data management representative, load of paperwork covering your proceedings and proper contracts with partners. You must inform what and why you are collecting. You must remove data from system if requested. But, nobody reads fine print and 0.000001% of people request data to be removed.

     

    Using fake identity won't help you much, too. You still can be identified by IP address, cookies, supercookies, fingerprinting. Maybe small business can't, but behemoths like Google can definitely associate data from many sources and "marketing partnership".
    You can't trust what VPN provider does with info about you. Many VPN services share logs with agencies on request. Well, you really don't know, if your VPN provider is an agency's operation or isn't.
    If you have to pay with credit card, then you are owned.


    I wish you were wrong, but I don’t think you are. 
     

    I use Proton for a lot of things. I’m waiting for the day I find out it too isn’t what I though. 

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    @The Computer Audiophile What criteria or reasons landed you with Proton?

     

    As I remarked earlier in the thread, I also use Proton and I think it was due to a recommendation but I can't recall exactly.

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    Proton is good as well as tutanota.com/tuta.com. But we never know.

    I used to host my own email server 20 years ago, but i gave up after about 5 years. Too much hassle protecting from external attacks.

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    Data brokers admit they’re selling information on precise location, kids, and reproductive healthcare    https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2024/03/data-brokers-admit-theyre-selling-information-on-precise-location-kids-and-reproductive-healthcare?utm_source=iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=b2c_pro_oth_20240318_marchweeklynewsletter_paid_v3_1_171042419850&utm_content=Data_brokers

     

    Information newly made available under California law has shed light on data broker practices, including exactly what categories of information they trade in.

     

    Any business that meets the definition of data broker must register with the California Privacy Protection Agency (CPPA) annually. The CPPA defines data brokers as businesses that consumers don’t directly interact with, but that buy and sell information about consumers from and to other businesses.

     

     

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    California and the EU are way ahead on this. The issue is, SCOTUS has said that there is no right to privacy in the Constitution (part of the Roe V Wade overturn - this is as political as I will get). Privacy advocates have been ringing the alarm on this, but so far falling on deaf ears.

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    10 minutes ago, botrytis said:

    California and the EU are way ahead on this. The issue is, SCOTUS has said that there is no right to privacy in the Constitution (part of the Roe V Wade overturn - this is as political as I will get). Privacy advocates have been ringing the alarm on this, but so far falling on deaf ears.

    I don't want to get into politics, but from a practical and meaningful standpoint, the way to move this forward is starting with the harm done to minors.   Would think that is important to everyone.    

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    11 minutes ago, PYP said:

    I don't want to get into politics, but from a practical and meaningful standpoint, the way to move this forward is starting with the harm done to minors.   Would think that is important to everyone.    

     

    That is why I said what I did. I totally agree. Parents should also be involved with minor's use of phones, internet, etc. 

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    24 minutes ago, botrytis said:

     

    That is why I said what I did. I totally agree. Parents should also be involved with minor's use of phones, internet, etc. 

    some parents are starting to understand that, unfortunately, they cannot post pictures of their kids online.  These photos get scraped and possibly become part of facial recognition data. Or an introduction to weirdos.  

     

    Most people just don't seem to understand that they are living in a dangerous digital world and must take measures to protect themselves and their families.  It shouldn't lead to paranoia, but it should lead to intelligent vigilance.   Hopefully, that includes the so-called Tik Tok moms who promote their kids online.   

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    8 minutes ago, PYP said:

    some parents are starting to understand that, unfortunately, they cannot post pictures of their kids online.  These photos get scraped and possibly become part of facial recognition data. Or an introduction to weirdos.  

     

    Most people just don't seem to understand that they are living in a dangerous digital world and must take measures to protect themselves and their families.  It shouldn't lead to paranoia, but it should lead to intelligent vigilance.   Hopefully, that includes the so-called Tik Tok moms who promote their kids online.   

    Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out ...

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    We all need a little humor now and then.

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