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    The Show Newport, Day 2

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    The second official day of the Newport show was an interesting one for me. I heard a bunch of bad sound, a couple people wax on poetically about the “huge” vinyl resurgence, and absolutely awesome sound in the Meridian MQA room.

     

    Gavin Fish had the LH Labs room sounding very good using the new Vi DAC, Pass Labs components and Magico loudspeakers. Gavin brought in an interesting choice of flooring to counter some of the acoustical issues during setup and it worked very well. I was able to hear some real music in the LH Labs room, rather than sticks breaking or seals snoring in high resolution, and I really enjoyed the system. It was a system I could have spent quite a while listening to, but I had to move on.

     

    The best demo of the day, and most likely the entire show, goes to Meridian. Ken Forsythe put on the demonstration while talking everyone through the merits of MQA. I still have some questions and minor reservations about MQA, but when the rubber met the road and the play button was pressed, the sound quality was truly astounding. Listening to Frank Sinatra was totally awesome. Meridian also demonstrated streaming MQA from TIDAL through its Sooloos music system and the tracks sounded just as good. There were no issues streaming the content even though the hotel network was less than robust. [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]

     

    On another note, I saw a lot of JRiver Media Center today. it seemed like everyone who wasn't spinning vinyl was using JRMC. I also sat in on Steve Silberman's (AudioQuest) computer audio seminar about iTunes, CD rising and storage, and cabling. it was really cool to see several people at the seminar taking notes feverishly and asking really good questions.

     

    Warning: The following may be a little controversial.

     

    Can we get a little perspective please? I took part in a panel with editors of other high end audio publications this afternoon. Right away the discussion moved into vinyl territory and talk about a so-called huge resurgence of vinyl was being thrown about. Before I continue I must say that I think vinyl is cool and I encourage everyone to listen to it. Vinyl isn’t something I prefer but I have no issue at all with those who do. The discussion also went to quad DSD being the sonic holy grail, but I stayed out of that discussion for the most part. My only suggestion to the audience member who asked the original question was that he should not consider the sample rate as an indicator of sound quality and that the people involved in making the recording are what really matter. In most cases and in my experience sound quality is a human factor and not a matter of technology. This seemed to fall on deaf ears among some panelists. I will take a product (music or audio component) from a good engineer using the worst parts or supposed inferior format any day over a bad engineer using the best components and the highest sample rate known to man. Does it have to be either or? No, but how many recordings of our favorite music recorded and mastered by the best engineers and in high resolution formats exist? Not many. Back to vinyl. After a member of the audience brought up the vinyl resurgence and the conversation was in full swing about vinyl’s popularity and the “fact” that kids were into it because of quality, I mentioned that the whole vinyl resurgence wasn’t really that big, kids were into it because it’s a fad and a cool thing to have right now, and that Taylor Swift had outsold all of vinyl herself last year. Meaning that Taylor Swift sold more albums than all vinyl albums put together. This caused a shit-storm with some on the panel and a few members of the audience. One panelist told me I was wrong and that 33 million albums were pressed last year. I didn’t believe the 33 million number but couldn’t hold up the entire panel just to look up numbers. Thus, after the show and dinner this evening I looked for the numbers about vinyl sales and Taylor Swift sales. Honestly, if I was incorrect I didn’t want to keep touting wrong information and look like a fool. So, here are the numbers. Taylor Swift’s album 1989 was on sale for only the last nine weeks of calendar year 2014. The album sold 3.66 million copies in those nine weeks according to Nielsen SoundScan. Looking at vinyl, 9.2 million records were sold in all 52 weeks of 2014 according to Nielsen SoundScan data. As it turns out, both I and the other panelist had incorrect sales numbers. However, I stand by my opinion that the vinyl resurgence is cool, but not very large and not very significant in the big picture. The only reason I brought up this issue in the first place was to give the conversation a little perspective. Talking about a resurgence of something in a vacuum of like-minded people can lead one to a slightly skewed view of reality. It was my intention to offer an additional data point for perspective. My opinion had absolutely nothing to do with the sound of vinyl or its efficacy as a physical medium that many people love.

     

    I’m looking forward to the last, and hopefully less controversial, day of the show on Sunday. It has been a blast running into CA readers all over the place. I hope to see more tomorrow.

     

     

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    The SQ of the songs was pretty amazing. The interesting note is that they certainly mentioned that it was playing through $80K worth of audio equipment (the speakers alone cost $46K, so, I was glad that the SQ was pretty good)! I downloaded the 88/24 track of the BB King song to hear how it sounds through my every day system - Three O'Clock Blues with Eric Clapton from the album "Riding with the King".

     

    Meridian played Frank Sinatra, Roberta Flack (from TIDAL), and Eric Clapton & BB King. No word on anything else.

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    Anybody have any feedback on the Bricasti and/or Perla Audio rooms?

     

    The Bricasti room, featuring their DAC and monoblocks with the excellent and unusual Pietra loudspeakers, was one of my absolute favorites. Similar to what I heard from those same electronics with Tidal Piano Cera speakers at AXPONA in 2014: tons of detail, terrific imaging and layered depth, dynamic, and very natural, with not a bit of edge or glare. Great sound.

     

    The Bricasti DAC was also being used on the 14th floor with the Antipodes server, Merrill Audio Thor monoblocks and Alta Audio standmounts. The Alta speakers were overpowering the room with a bit too much bass, but the sound was otherwise good. My main takeaway was a very low noise floor and great tonality, for which I give credit to the Antipodes server and Merrill amps, which are excellent. Also, Mark Jenkins (Antipodes) and Merrill Wettasinghe are delightful to talk to. I'd sure like to hear a head-to-head between servers from Antipodes and Aurender.

     

    Perla had two rooms, I believe. The one I visited on Thursday featured a full Perla system and I liked it a lot. Never made it to their other room.

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    So, Chris, like my demo comments from CES, how the heck does the listener know what MQA is bringing to the party? Yes, the system sounded good...so what! Lower bandwidth uploading (for the site) and downloading (for the consumer) is not exactly an audible benefit, so we need audible benefits. I find it absurd, frankly, that here we are 5 months later (than CES) and they still can't muster an a/b.

     

    Great coverage so far...thanks.

     

    That's especially true since getting properly decoded MQA means paying to upgrade or replace your DAC to get the Meridian MQA decoding circuitry. A big commitment on the part of the listener.

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    The Bricasti room, featuring their DAC and monoblocks with the excellent and unusual Pietra loudspeakers, was one of my absolute favorites. Similar to what I heard from those same electronics with Tidal Piano Cera speakers at AXPONA in 2014: tons of detail, terrific imaging and layered depth, dynamic, and very natural, with not a bit of edge or glare. Great sound.

     

     

    I went to the Bricasti room as well. Fine sound as always.

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    How vinyl sounds on a Kronos tt is certainly irrelevant in my world, and in fact this points up the fallacy inherent in the so-called resurgence of vinyl. The new adopters cannot be setting up new vinyl rigs for the sake of quality of sound, unless they have more $ than good sense. Not to criticize someone else's preferences, but if one must spend the price of a house on a table, I'll stick with my meager little DAC and amp thank you very much. Cost-benefit analysis does not favor vinyl, IMNSHO. Once you consider convenience and/or portability, it seems like a no-brainer to me.

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    Thanks for posting about the sound quality from the Vi DAC system. I have a Vi DAC on order so I am glad to read positive comments, although I appreciate the other components in the system were contributing to the overall sound as well.

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    Chris,

     

    Is there any comparison you could provide related to the Vi DAC as compared to other DAC's you heard at the show or to others in your experience?

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    1) Last year at Newport someone did a blind test of the same material recorded in quad DSD and analogue. I could not hear a difference.

     

    2). How awesome were those stand mounted Sonus Faber limited edition speakers pictured above with Macintosh hear. Wow.

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    So far Meridian has been saying A/B demonstrations aren't possible because they are using newly mastered material. To A/B this stuff we'd need the master tape. Or, they could have just made non-MQA versions at the same time the MQA versions were made but elected not to.

     

    A/B demonstrations aren't possible?! Seems like a big cop out from Meridian. If someone wants to A/B an iTunes mp3 with a Meridian MQA it could be a press of a button. Meridian is being totally evasive. I fear that MQA is going to be kind of a done deal in the end and foisted on the public whether they want it or not. I am open to the potential of MQA but I don't think Meridian is handling this very well.

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    My son, one of these kids into vinyl because he likes the sound, sent me this comic. It's hilarious and right on the money. 89-8937-49AR300Z.jpg?type=cns

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    Those people posting negative comments about vinyl without actually having a turntable in their system should be ignored. The fact is a lot of classic records like Hotel California sound fundamentally better than the CD version even on a 300 dollar deck versus a mega bucks digital player. As for the younger generation buying vinyl , some should be a little less condescending and give them credit for recognising good sound.

    How vinyl sounds on a Kronos tt is certainly irrelevant in my world, and in fact this points up the fallacy inherent in the so-called resurgence of vinyl. The new adopters cannot be setting up new vinyl rigs for the sake of quality of sound, unless they have more $ than good sense. Not to criticize someone else's preferences, but if one must spend the price of a house on a table, I'll stick with my meager little DAC and amp thank you very much. Cost-benefit analysis does not favor vinyl, IMNSHO. Once you consider convenience and/or portability, it seems like a no-brainer to me.

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    Anybody have any feedback on the Bricasti and/or Perla Audio rooms?

     

    I am a big fan of sweet sounding systems that create a big sound stage with extremely tight bass. The perla system was one of my favorites. Mind you they had two rooms. One with turntabl and other with Perla DAC. Even though i am big fan of both (analog generally better for sound and digital for convenience) i was not impressed by analog source system. I was only impressed with the 'B' version with the subwoofers that was playing the Perla DAC.

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    Those people posting negative comments about vinyl without actually having a turntable in their system should be ignored. The fact is a lot of classic records like Hotel California sound fundamentally better than the CD version even on a 300 dollar deck versus a mega bucks digital player. As for the younger generation buying vinyl , some should be a little less condescending and give them credit for recognising good sound.

     

    I am like both vinyl and digital. But here is were the debate ends. Every room that had master tapes sounded far superior.

     

    Yes i have both formats of Dean martin 192/24 and 45 vinyl. Yes the vinyl is far better. All music made in analog format probably going to sound better in analog domain. And music recorded in digital will probably sound better in digital.

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    I am like both vinyl and digital. But here is were the debate ends. Every room that had master tapes sounded far superior.

     

    Yes i have both formats of Dean martin 192/24 and 45 vinyl. Yes the vinyl is far better. All music made in analog format probably going to sound better in analog domain. And music recorded in digital will probably sound better in digital.

     

    Hi ajay- Nobody had master tapes. Those don't leave the studio or secure storage facility. The tapes at shows are several generations from a master of some kind.

     

    I can see the allure of analog tape but to me the best digital better. Fortunately we all have many options when it comes to enjoying our music.

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    Totally agree, the recording/mastering is key and secondly having a player (digital or analog) that is capable of revealing what was recorded.

    I am like both vinyl and digital. But here is were the debate ends. Every room that had master tapes sounded far superior.

     

    Yes i have both formats of Dean martin 192/24 and 45 vinyl. Yes the vinyl is far better. All music made in analog format probably going to sound better in analog domain. And music recorded in digital will probably sound better in digital.

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    Hi ajay- Nobody had master tapes. Those don't leave the studio or secure storage facility. The tapes at shows are several generations from a master of some kind.

     

    I can see the allure of analog tape but to me the best digital better. Fortunately we all have many options when it comes to enjoying our music.

     

    Sorry i did not mean master tape but simple meant reel to reel tape format. Additionally, i have the original vinyl Frank Sinatra Close to you. The MQS format of close to you was just beautiful and very musical even on a meridian system. I would prefer the MQS format over the vinyl. I think MQS sounds very promising.

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    On contrary, I have all digital stuff at home including DCS and I like it ,but as I stated before,the sound from Kronos turntable was clearly superior:everybody agreed :so it was not only my preference but 15? more listeners.

    Mr Fremer knows the source of his music ! I do not.

     

    To clarify I am not in vinyl now but may be I should

     

    I could not find John Quick and his Roon presentation.

    Hi Pawel8 - In another thread you mentioned being semi-reprimanded for liking vinyl in this thread. Can you please let me know what language of mine came off as being reprimanding? I'm honestly trying to figure out if I've offended you somehow.

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    "should not consider the sample rate as an indicator of sound quality and that the people involved in making the recording are what really matter. In most cases and in my experience sound quality is a human factor and not a matter of technology. This seemed to fall on deaf ears among some panelists."

    Ridiculous your point didn't cause panelists to think for few minutes. Industry seems to be chasing bit rates when the creation chain and DACs are the quality markers.

     

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    I’ve attended all of the Newport Shows except last year and always enjoyed the panel discussions. I was encouraged to see you as part of the panel and wanted to hear your thoughts and opinions on digital trends. Unfortunately and as it has happened so many times in the past, Michael Fremer (who thinks the world of himself) drowns out the other panelists. I had the unfortunate experience of having to share an elevator ride with him, while he loudly talked on his cell phone, “F-this and F-that”. I guess he thought he was being cute.

     

    Hopefully, next year you’ll have a larger part in the discussion or perhaps your own seminar.

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    Hi Pawel8 - In another thread you mentioned being semi-reprimanded for liking vinyl in this thread. Can you please let me know what language of mine came off as being reprimanding? I'm honestly trying to figure out if I've offended you somehow.

     

    1.Great to hear you like the vinyl. I've never had an issue with people's sound quality preferences.

     

    2.I wonder if the two versions were from the same master or as Joel asked, if the digital was a vinyl rip. Either way, your preference is your preference :~)

     

    it was clear cut and was not preference.

    Why you responded to my post :because you disagreed with my impression?

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    1.Great to hear you like the vinyl. I've never had an issue with people's sound quality preferences.

     

    2.I wonder if the two versions were from the same master or as Joel asked, if the digital was a vinyl rip. Either way, your preference is your preference :~)

     

    it was clear cut and was not preference.

    Why you responded to my post :because you disagreed with my impression?

    If you felt reprimanded by my words in 1 and 2 there's nothing I can do to help the situation. Perhaps there is a language barrier at work?

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    If you felt reprimanded by my words in 1 and 2 there's nothing I can do to help the situation. Perhaps there is a language barrier at work?

    Just admit that you did not like my post.

    Thank you

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    Just admit that you did not like my post.

    Thank you

     

    Let it go.

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    Just admit that you did not like my post.

    Thank you

    You're reading way too far into my words and trying really hard to glean something from them that really isn't there.

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    You're reading way too far into my words and trying really hard to glean something from them that really isn't there.

     

    OK :sorry for misunderstanding.

    I took it too personal.

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