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Welcome to leave any¬†comments¬†and¬†feedback for existing and potential customers.¬†¬†ūü§†

 

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Amp: Goldmund 27+ EVO Preamp, Goldmund 29M Power Amp, Goldmund AC-Curator

DAC: CH Precision C1.1 Digital Convertor,  Studer D19 DAC

Digital: Mutec MC3-USB,  AfterDark. Giesemann OCXO 10M Master Clock Giesemann EVA 

Playback: Goldmund PH3 Phono Amp, Linn LP12, Studer A807 VU MKII Open Reel

Network Switch:  AFTERDARK. PROJECT CLAYX BUFFALO BS-GS2016 CASCADE X GIESEMANN OCXO BLACK MODERNIZE EDITION x Farad Super3 LPS

Dealer: SMSL, Gustard, Farad Power Supply, Cybershaft, Thixar, UpTone Audio, Waversa, DELA

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Well, how much?

Mac Mini Late 2014 (16G/SSD) w Uptone JS-2 w OWC Thunderbay 4 Mini RAID (JS-2) / Roon

Aqua LinQ w EtherCon cable (Ghent) w Uptone EtherRegen w Uptone JS-2

Aqua Formula xHD w Ocellia RCA Interconnect & Shunyata Delta NR

Kora TB 200 Integrated Amplifier w Audio Art Power Cable

Magico V2 w Ocellia speaker cables w Shunyata Dark Field Elevator & JL Audio E-Sub e110 X 2

All equipment, including subwoofer on Modulum platforms (modulumaudio.com)

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Hi! Jacques, 

 

We are having audiophilestyle.com group buy with special discount and free HUBER+SUHNER Clock cable now:

 

Giesemann OCXO 10M Master Clock x Audiophilestyle.com Edition

 

 

Amp: Goldmund 27+ EVO Preamp, Goldmund 29M Power Amp, Goldmund AC-Curator

DAC: CH Precision C1.1 Digital Convertor,  Studer D19 DAC

Digital: Mutec MC3-USB,  AfterDark. Giesemann OCXO 10M Master Clock Giesemann EVA 

Playback: Goldmund PH3 Phono Amp, Linn LP12, Studer A807 VU MKII Open Reel

Network Switch:  AFTERDARK. PROJECT CLAYX BUFFALO BS-GS2016 CASCADE X GIESEMANN OCXO BLACK MODERNIZE EDITION x Farad Super3 LPS

Dealer: SMSL, Gustard, Farad Power Supply, Cybershaft, Thixar, UpTone Audio, Waversa, DELA

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This my initial review of the Afterdark Giesemann OXCO Clock (Emperor Crown) and its associated Afterdark 12V double outlet power supply.

 

To be clear, I have chosen a slightly better clock than as offered as entry level Prince including all cables etc. (1.0m Giesemann clock cable + 10% off discount code and 75ohm adaptor). 

Namely the Emperor Crown comparable in price for example with the entry level Cybershaft also offered by Afterdark.¬†Ordered a week ago and arrived last Wednesday in the Netherlands.¬†ūüėĄ

 

Now running for 5 days.  As stated by Afterdark let the clock burn in for 3hrs, it will improve after 7days, up to 35 days to optimal level. And the clock should always be powered on.

 

To be clear, I have chosen a slightly better clock than as offered as entry level called Prince. Namely the Emperor Crown. The offer included all cables etc. (= 1.0 mtr Giesemann clock, 75ohm adaptor; cable + 10% off discount code).  And with the Afterdark. Black Modernize LPS x GIESEMANN OCXO 10M Edition. Added with Carbon Fiber, Schurter Gold Fuse, Furutech NCF and 2x 0. 8m DC Cables. 

 

Total approx. ‚ā¨ 910,00 including shipment and import taxes. That‚Äôs ¬ľ to 1/6 compared with well-known Master clocks.

Ps. The entry model is about HK¬ß 4000,00¬†¬†cheaper and stated by Afterdark will give also ‚Äúenough‚ÄĚ improvement.

 

I use the EtherRegen powered by a Farad super3.  An expensive but immediately observable improvement over the standard Uptone power supply.

But the Afterdark Clock adds a lot of extra. All is playing on an Auralic Vega G2.1 etc.

 

 

 

 

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The effect of this Afterdark master clock is much more layers and stereo depth resp 3D. Voices are clearer and the instruments are better placed resp. separated. 

A very nice improvement to my ears and on my audio-system.

 

 

A new update will soon follow compared to other Master clocks. And hopefully with a Farad and / or an Uptone JS2 also powering this Afterdark Master Clock. 

After consultation with Afterdark how to achieve even more improvement was his advice. Upgrade the clock first you will hear the difference in a second and also a better power supply.  

 

I heartily recommend the Afterdark Master Clock approach. 

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Ethernet::4x Bonn Silent Angel 8P, Afterdark Emperor Doublr  Crown Masterclock and Cybershaft 75 Ohm,Mini Circuits convertor,Uptone EtherRegen with 75Ohm. SOTM Cat CAT 7.

Audio: Auralic Vega G2.1, Cambridge Edge W, Kef Reference 3 speakers.  
Power: Farad super 3 (2x) , Keces P8 ( 2 Uptone LPS1.2 ) Afterdark 5V: 

Cables:Meicord Opal, SOTM Cat7 with filtering, Ghent Audio DC , Farad Level 2, Sharkwire speaker cable

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Hi all,

 

I recently use Cisco SFP & RJ45 adapter on A-Side in the SFP cage of the EtherRegen. This gave me another uplift in SQ ( more detail, clarity and stereo-depth).

 

Do you have same experiences?

 

Ps. EtherRegen is powered by a Farad Super3 and also the Afterdark Giesemann Clock. 

I also use a double ethernet cable ( signal + and signal  - ) made from Meicord Opal also  an  SQ uplift.

 

Regards, Andreas

 

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Ethernet::4x Bonn Silent Angel 8P, Afterdark Emperor Doublr  Crown Masterclock and Cybershaft 75 Ohm,Mini Circuits convertor,Uptone EtherRegen with 75Ohm. SOTM Cat CAT 7.

Audio: Auralic Vega G2.1, Cambridge Edge W, Kef Reference 3 speakers.  
Power: Farad super 3 (2x) , Keces P8 ( 2 Uptone LPS1.2 ) Afterdark 5V: 

Cables:Meicord Opal, SOTM Cat7 with filtering, Ghent Audio DC , Farad Level 2, Sharkwire speaker cable

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   On 2/6/2021 at 10:31 PM,  ambre said: 
   On 2/6/2021 at 10:26 PM,  R1200CL said: 

@ambre

Which version of AfterDark clock did you buy. Afterdark Giesemann OXCO Clock (Emperor Crown) and its associated Afterdark 12V double outlet power supply.

I am now powering Giesemann Clock with Farad Super3 and with extreme modified Bonn Silent Angel powered by the Afterdark 12V supply and Uptone LPS 1.2 as the first switch before the EtherRegen also powered by  Farad Super3.

 

The clock was improving everyday as also stated earlier by Afterdark.  Nb. The improvement with Giesemann is immediately noticeable.

 

With additional add-ons as described above the SQ has had an extreme boost. I am really flabbergasted and enjoying the music played. 

Next step is maybe fiber to EtherRegen by means of a modified Cisco switch powered by a quality supply. But first enjoy the music.

 

But another¬†¬†significant improvement ( also stated by Afterdark)¬†will be to buy a much better specified Afterdark Giesemann but this will¬†doubles at least¬†the price.¬†ūüßź
 

An unbelievable improvements since 2 weeks and a nice journey during and with Afterdark. 
Regards, Andreas

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Ethernet::4x Bonn Silent Angel 8P, Afterdark Emperor Doublr  Crown Masterclock and Cybershaft 75 Ohm,Mini Circuits convertor,Uptone EtherRegen with 75Ohm. SOTM Cat CAT 7.

Audio: Auralic Vega G2.1, Cambridge Edge W, Kef Reference 3 speakers.  
Power: Farad super 3 (2x) , Keces P8 ( 2 Uptone LPS1.2 ) Afterdark 5V: 

Cables:Meicord Opal, SOTM Cat7 with filtering, Ghent Audio DC , Farad Level 2, Sharkwire speaker cable

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4 minutes ago, ambre said:

I am now powering Giesemann Clock with Farad Super3 and with extreme modified Bonn Silent Angel powered by the Afterdark 12V supply and Uptone LPS 1.2 as the first switch before the EtherRegen also powered by  Farad Super3.


This is a bit confusing.

Also wouldn’t the Farad be best at EtherRegen since EtherRegen has proper isolation and use the LPS-1.2 isolation against the Giesemann ?

 

What switch upfront EtherRegen?

 

What is a modified Bonn Silent Angle ?

 

What does your two AfterDark PS actually power ?

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54 minutes ago, ambre said:

 

Hi all,

 

I recently use Cisco SFP & RJ45 adapter on A-Side in the SFP cage of the EtherRegen. This gave me another uplift in SQ ( more detail, clarity and stereo-depth).

 

Do you have same experiences?

 

Ps. EtherRegen is powered by a Farad Super3 and also the Afterdark Giesemann Clock. 

I also use a double ethernet cable ( signal + and signal  - ) made from Meicord Opal also  an  SQ uplift.

 

Regards, Andreas

 

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What BNC cable are you using between the Etherregen and the clock?  Have you tried different cables?

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1 hour ago, R1200CL said:


This is a bit confusing.

Also wouldn’t the Farad be best at EtherRegen since EtherRegen has proper isolation and use the LPS-1.2 isolation against the Giesemann ? What switch upfront EtherRegen?

That was in the text: ūüĎď

 

I am now powering Giesemann Clock with Farad Super3 and with extreme modified Bonn Silent Angel powered by the Afterdark 12V supply and Uptone LPS 1.2 as the first switch before the EtherRegen also powered by  Farad Super3.

 

Nowadays

  • Auralic Vega G2.1¬†
  • Lan isolator PinkFaun
  • Double Meicord ¬†Opal (+/- separated¬†) with Telegartners connected to a SFP&RJ45 Cisco transformer
  • EtherRegen with SFP and powered by Farad Super3 =9V
  • 10Hz Clock Afterdark with Afterdark Clock cable
  • Afterdark Clock feed by¬†Farad Super3 = 12V
  • 2 x Bonn Silent Angels ¬†8P = Switches (modified) feeded¬†by each an Uptone LPS¬†1.2¬†¬†(=5V)
  • The 2x Uptone LPS1.2 are feed by a KECES P8 (=11¬†and 12 V)
  • Meter cupboard another¬†Bonn Silent Angel feeded by own mps but ordered Afterdark Lineair Power ¬†supply 2¬†5V.
  • Ethernet standard Meicord Opal form 1e switch to second one in Living Room.

Afterdark 2x 12 V 2 amp is now obsolete for time being.  2x LPS1.2. was too much!

1 hour ago, R1200CL said:

Ps my switches are modified to another much better level than by KEMP.

1 hour ago, R1200CL said:

What does your two AfterDark PS actually power ?

See above

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Ethernet::4x Bonn Silent Angel 8P, Afterdark Emperor Doublr  Crown Masterclock and Cybershaft 75 Ohm,Mini Circuits convertor,Uptone EtherRegen with 75Ohm. SOTM Cat CAT 7.

Audio: Auralic Vega G2.1, Cambridge Edge W, Kef Reference 3 speakers.  
Power: Farad super 3 (2x) , Keces P8 ( 2 Uptone LPS1.2 ) Afterdark 5V: 

Cables:Meicord Opal, SOTM Cat7 with filtering, Ghent Audio DC , Farad Level 2, Sharkwire speaker cable

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Hi Martin,

 

Expansive cables maybe very nice cables. Never heard about.

But you have¬†a really cheap BG7¬†Master¬†¬†Clock... ‚ā¨90,00 . till you hear the difference with Afterdark Giesemann medium spec. The Giesemann is a¬†real uplift in SQ.

 

I have compared mine BG7¬†during 15¬†( a nice toy)¬†minutes .... nice.... if you cannot compare. ¬†But sold immediately after¬†restarting the AfterdarkūüôŹūüŹĽ

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Ethernet::4x Bonn Silent Angel 8P, Afterdark Emperor Doublr  Crown Masterclock and Cybershaft 75 Ohm,Mini Circuits convertor,Uptone EtherRegen with 75Ohm. SOTM Cat CAT 7.

Audio: Auralic Vega G2.1, Cambridge Edge W, Kef Reference 3 speakers.  
Power: Farad super 3 (2x) , Keces P8 ( 2 Uptone LPS1.2 ) Afterdark 5V: 

Cables:Meicord Opal, SOTM Cat7 with filtering, Ghent Audio DC , Farad Level 2, Sharkwire speaker cable

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1 hour ago, Stevem324 said:

What BNC cable are you using between the Etherregen and the clock?  Have you tried different cables?

Ps. the clock cable by Afterdark is a real good one. HUBER + SUHNER Shielding cable. 

Compared with other bnc cables. Also some HOME made ones 

 

Wil try a short notice the SOTM bnc cable ..... costing as much as my Afterdark Clock aprox $800,00 but we will see how it compares.  It’s amazing that a clock cable can make such difference .. I never thought!

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Ethernet::4x Bonn Silent Angel 8P, Afterdark Emperor Doublr  Crown Masterclock and Cybershaft 75 Ohm,Mini Circuits convertor,Uptone EtherRegen with 75Ohm. SOTM Cat CAT 7.

Audio: Auralic Vega G2.1, Cambridge Edge W, Kef Reference 3 speakers.  
Power: Farad super 3 (2x) , Keces P8 ( 2 Uptone LPS1.2 ) Afterdark 5V: 

Cables:Meicord Opal, SOTM Cat7 with filtering, Ghent Audio DC , Farad Level 2, Sharkwire speaker cable

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14 minutes ago, ambre said:

Double Meicord  Opal (+/- separated ) with Telegartners connected

Can you link to this specific double cable?

I can’t find it. Can only find regular Meicord Opal. 
what does ¬†‚Äú+/- sperated‚ÄĚ mean? Like 2 cables, 1 for transmit & 1 for receive?

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2 minutes ago, GMG said:

Can you link to this specific double cable? ==>>HOME MADE 

I can’t find it. Can only find regular Meicord Opal. 
what does ¬†‚Äú+/- sperated‚ÄĚ mean? Like 2 cables, 1 for transmit & 1 for receive? CORRECT pin 1,2 and 3 and 6¬†

 

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Ethernet::4x Bonn Silent Angel 8P, Afterdark Emperor Doublr  Crown Masterclock and Cybershaft 75 Ohm,Mini Circuits convertor,Uptone EtherRegen with 75Ohm. SOTM Cat CAT 7.

Audio: Auralic Vega G2.1, Cambridge Edge W, Kef Reference 3 speakers.  
Power: Farad super 3 (2x) , Keces P8 ( 2 Uptone LPS1.2 ) Afterdark 5V: 

Cables:Meicord Opal, SOTM Cat7 with filtering, Ghent Audio DC , Farad Level 2, Sharkwire speaker cable

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24 minutes ago, R1200CL said:


But in to same plug ?

 

Yes 1x Telegartner 

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Ethernet::4x Bonn Silent Angel 8P, Afterdark Emperor Doublr  Crown Masterclock and Cybershaft 75 Ohm,Mini Circuits convertor,Uptone EtherRegen with 75Ohm. SOTM Cat CAT 7.

Audio: Auralic Vega G2.1, Cambridge Edge W, Kef Reference 3 speakers.  
Power: Farad super 3 (2x) , Keces P8 ( 2 Uptone LPS1.2 ) Afterdark 5V: 

Cables:Meicord Opal, SOTM Cat7 with filtering, Ghent Audio DC , Farad Level 2, Sharkwire speaker cable

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3 hours ago, ambre said:

Lan isolator PinkFaun

If I may suggest remove the Pink faun isolator. After a certain degree of isolation it impacts negatively the SQ. Of. That‚Äôs why I removed as well as the Cisco 2960. Of course the response might be different with your system. ūü§ó
My current setup:

Router>Rj45>oM>SFP>
Buffalo2016>SFP>oM>Rj45>Zen Mkiii>Rj45>eR>
SFP>oR>USB>RUR>
USB>iR>USB>
DAC.

Jensen VRD-iFF>Router>Rj45>opticalModule>
SFP>Buffalo2016>SFP>opticalModule >Rj45>

IZen Mk3>Rj45> Delock62619>Rj45>
etherRegen (Master Clock+ Mini-Circuits BLP)>SFP>opticalRendu>USB>IsoRegen>

USB>Phoenix>USB>OPPO 205 (Modded)>HMS ‚Äúthe Perfect Match‚ÄĚ>Proac Tablette Reference 8 Signature.
 

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1 hour ago, soares said:

If I may suggest remove the Pink faun isolator. After a certain degree of isolation it impacts negatively the SQ. Of. That‚Äôs why I removed as well as the Cisco 2960. Of course the response might be different with your system. ūü§ó
My current setup:

Router>Rj45>oM>SFP>
Buffalo2016>SFP>oM>Rj45>Zen Mkiii>Rj45>eR>
SFP>oR>USB>RUR>
USB>iR>USB>
DAC.

Please specify all the abbreviations??

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Ethernet::4x Bonn Silent Angel 8P, Afterdark Emperor Doublr  Crown Masterclock and Cybershaft 75 Ohm,Mini Circuits convertor,Uptone EtherRegen with 75Ohm. SOTM Cat CAT 7.

Audio: Auralic Vega G2.1, Cambridge Edge W, Kef Reference 3 speakers.  
Power: Farad super 3 (2x) , Keces P8 ( 2 Uptone LPS1.2 ) Afterdark 5V: 

Cables:Meicord Opal, SOTM Cat7 with filtering, Ghent Audio DC , Farad Level 2, Sharkwire speaker cable

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Sorry ūüėā

oM - opticalModule from Sonore

oR - opticalRendu from Sonore

eR - the mighty etherRegen! 
iR - isoRegen from UpTone 

RUR - Recovery USB Reclocker from Wyred 4 Sound.

Cheers, 

Jorge

Jensen VRD-iFF>Router>Rj45>opticalModule>
SFP>Buffalo2016>SFP>opticalModule >Rj45>

IZen Mk3>Rj45> Delock62619>Rj45>
etherRegen (Master Clock+ Mini-Circuits BLP)>SFP>opticalRendu>USB>IsoRegen>

USB>Phoenix>USB>OPPO 205 (Modded)>HMS ‚Äúthe Perfect Match‚ÄĚ>Proac Tablette Reference 8 Signature.
 

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2 hours ago, soares said:

If I may suggest remove the Pink faun isolator. After a certain degree of isolation it impacts negatively the SQ. Of. That‚Äôs why I removed as well as the Cisco 2960. Of course the response might be different with your system. ūü§ó
My current setup:

Router>Rj45>oM>SFP>
Buffalo2016>SFP>oM>Rj45>Zen Mkiii>Rj45>eR>
SFP>oR>USB>RUR>
USB>iR>USB>
DAC.

I don’t understand your remark concerning the Cisco 2960 ? I don’t have that switch so far I am informed.

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Ethernet::4x Bonn Silent Angel 8P, Afterdark Emperor Doublr  Crown Masterclock and Cybershaft 75 Ohm,Mini Circuits convertor,Uptone EtherRegen with 75Ohm. SOTM Cat CAT 7.

Audio: Auralic Vega G2.1, Cambridge Edge W, Kef Reference 3 speakers.  
Power: Farad super 3 (2x) , Keces P8 ( 2 Uptone LPS1.2 ) Afterdark 5V: 

Cables:Meicord Opal, SOTM Cat7 with filtering, Ghent Audio DC , Farad Level 2, Sharkwire speaker cable

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1 minute ago, soares said:

Sorry ūüėā

oM - opticalModule from Sonore

oR - opticalRendu from Sonore

eR - the mighty etherRegen! 
iR - isoRegen from UpTone 

RUR - Recovery USB Reclocker from Wyred 4 Sound.

Cheers, 

Jorge

Thanks also sent another question too

will remove the Pink Faun as give it a try.

Maybe too much ūüėé

 

 

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Ethernet::4x Bonn Silent Angel 8P, Afterdark Emperor Doublr  Crown Masterclock and Cybershaft 75 Ohm,Mini Circuits convertor,Uptone EtherRegen with 75Ohm. SOTM Cat CAT 7.

Audio: Auralic Vega G2.1, Cambridge Edge W, Kef Reference 3 speakers.  
Power: Farad super 3 (2x) , Keces P8 ( 2 Uptone LPS1.2 ) Afterdark 5V: 

Cables:Meicord Opal, SOTM Cat7 with filtering, Ghent Audio DC , Farad Level 2, Sharkwire speaker cable

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Just now, ambre said:

Thanks also sent another question too

will remove the Pink Faun as give it a try.

Maybe too much ūüėé

 

 

ZenMkiii ???

will google 

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Ethernet::4x Bonn Silent Angel 8P, Afterdark Emperor Doublr  Crown Masterclock and Cybershaft 75 Ohm,Mini Circuits convertor,Uptone EtherRegen with 75Ohm. SOTM Cat CAT 7.

Audio: Auralic Vega G2.1, Cambridge Edge W, Kef Reference 3 speakers.  
Power: Farad super 3 (2x) , Keces P8 ( 2 Uptone LPS1.2 ) Afterdark 5V: 

Cables:Meicord Opal, SOTM Cat7 with filtering, Ghent Audio DC , Farad Level 2, Sharkwire speaker cable

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12 minutes ago, ambre said:

ZenMkiii ???

will google 

Sorry I was convinced that everyone was aware of Innous! ūü§óūüėāūüėė

My apologies. 

Jensen VRD-iFF>Router>Rj45>opticalModule>
SFP>Buffalo2016>SFP>opticalModule >Rj45>

IZen Mk3>Rj45> Delock62619>Rj45>
etherRegen (Master Clock+ Mini-Circuits BLP)>SFP>opticalRendu>USB>IsoRegen>

USB>Phoenix>USB>OPPO 205 (Modded)>HMS ‚Äúthe Perfect Match‚ÄĚ>Proac Tablette Reference 8 Signature.
 

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24 minutes ago, ambre said:

I don’t understand your remark concerning the Cisco 2960 ? I don’t have that switch so far I am informed.

 Boot informatieve doeleinden! 

Jensen VRD-iFF>Router>Rj45>opticalModule>
SFP>Buffalo2016>SFP>opticalModule >Rj45>

IZen Mk3>Rj45> Delock62619>Rj45>
etherRegen (Master Clock+ Mini-Circuits BLP)>SFP>opticalRendu>USB>IsoRegen>

USB>Phoenix>USB>OPPO 205 (Modded)>HMS ‚Äúthe Perfect Match‚ÄĚ>Proac Tablette Reference 8 Signature.
 

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