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[mansr]

1 hour ago, esldude said:

Okay was reading some of this, and some of the papers by Galen.  But it lost lots of credibility when I saw the pricing.  That is just price gouging.  The Iconoclast cables aren't costing that much to produce vs other cable.  If you've figured out a better way, then sure you should get to charge something for it.  To be worth their cost they'll need to make very large differences.   That is one of the things about all these high priced cables.  Nothing about them requires that kind of cost to make.  I remember the Stereophile tour of the AQ factory.  Only it was no factory.  It was a location that terminates wire from bulk rolls of it. 

 

I was planning on trying some of these out at normal Blue Jeans pricing.  But the price is the most hooey thing about it. 

 

I'll show you exactly what this is about.  The smart engineer.  

 

The way he first dodged all questions, then started insulting people also suggests he is hiding something.

[mansr]

27 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

I was literally shocked at how hard he worked to avoid any substantive technical discussion. And he wasted a LOT of keystrokes on jibber jabber.  Some people were like, "oh my god, can't you guys be nice to the cable god?"  I felt more like I was looking at a naked emperor.

I wasn't surprised in the slightest. As for being a cable god, from what I can tell, Galen held the title of Principal Engineer at Belden. In most companies, that's a level 3 or 4 title. Retiring at that level is decidedly unimpressive.

[mansr]

37 minutes ago, sandyk said:

1 hour ago, mansr said:

The Iconoclast cables aren't costing that much to produce vs other cable.

How the hell do you know that ?

I didn't say that. Please make sure your quotes have correct attribution.

[mansr]

Why don't you whiners just go and join SBAF or some other echo chamber?

[mansr]

1 minute ago, Dutch said:

Last time I checked this is an audiophile forum.

Last time I checked, you didn't get to have final say on who is or isn't an audiophile. That's for GUTB to do.

[mansr]

1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

You may be surprised to know the subjective and objective crowds are equally “whiners” as you call it. My inbox is full of messages from both groups who think the other is out of line. 

In this particular thread, the whining is pretty one-sided.

[mansr]

6 minutes ago, manisandher said:

Yep, and that's unfortunate.

How would you characterise it?

[mansr]

4 minutes ago, manisandher said:

In a word, frustration.

 

But I see this from both perspectives. When someone tells you that you cannot have an opinion unless you've heard their 'horse-hair covered, pure-gold conductor' interconnects in person, I can see why you (or anyone of a rational bent) would get frustrated. Conversely, when someone says that they hear differences between cables (that all cost the same modest amount) and are told that they must be imagining the differences, I can see why they get frustrated.

 

I've experienced both camps myself many times.

 

But there's still no excuse for being rude (something else I've been guilty of on occasion).

You make a fair point. That said, do you think either frustration is cause to ban the expression of entire classes of opinion?

[mansr]

7 minutes ago, manisandher said:

Where's your evidence for this?

AudioQuest.

[mansr]

6 minutes ago, wgscott said:

The thing about humor is that it is supposed to be funny.

The funny thing about supposed humour is that it often isn't.

[mansr]

54 minutes ago, manisandher said:

I know nothing about AudioQuest, other than owning the original Dragonfly, which I think is OK for the price. There is no doubt in my mind that charlatans exist in the audio cable industry. BUT... it doesn't follow that all audio cable companies are charlatans.

Many cable applications are far more challenging than audio. Therefore, a company making exclusively audio cables probably isn't at the top of the cable game. They simply don't need to be, even if their products are perfectly good. If a company claims otherwise, they are likely charlatans.

[mansr]

2 minutes ago, BrokeLinuxPhile said:

Larry Ho comes immediately to mind as being smart but clueless at business.

He comes to mind, foremost, as a fraudster.

[mansr]

4 minutes ago, manisandher said:

IMO, we don't know all the challenges audio presents for cables. Why do I think this? Because cables sound different... when they shouldn't, according to our current understanding.

Where are the studies in support of this?

[mansr]

18 minutes ago, Paul R said:

Nordost, Kimber, and some other cable companies all know cables dead cold. They have marketeers who can make your stomach turn flips, but the engineering and science guys they have on staff or as consultants really do know their stuff. 

Are you on some kind of mission to defend all those who cannot or should not be defended?

[mansr]

17 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

But what is really strange is the idea that someone with a claim of a better mouse trap does not offer ANY evidence for that claim.

But it's made of solid gold. Of course it's better.

[mansr]

19 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

It does not matter much if you are an expert.  Many fine scientists have made ridiculous claims that are unsupported by data (Wm. Shockley is one egregious example) - look him up.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nobel_disease

[mansr]

Just now, kumakuma said:

Thanks for reenforcing the reputation that the Dutch have for being rude direct.

It must be limited to Dutch audiophools. I know plenty of Dutch people who are nothing like this.

[mansr]

2 minutes ago, sandyk said:

 That's rich coming from you ! YOU need to work on your word choice.

 

loser / looser. A person who is a failure is a loser, often a “real loser.” If something is loosened, it becomes looser.

 

For example, when you lose weight your clothing becomes looser.

Loose is also a verb meaning to set free. A looser is thus someone who sets things free.

[mansr]

3 minutes ago, sandyk said:

Would you please show me one example from an English dictionary where a looser is described as someone who sets thing free ?

I doubt there is one, but it would be a correct grammatical construct nonetheless.

[mansr]

Wow, I had no idea horses that high existed.

[mansr]

55 minutes ago, esldude said:

The bolded part jumps out at me.  Which group would fit the idea of hysterical hypochondriacs?  Those who say everything matters, and we don't know how hearing works.  Or those who quite often decide not only do some things not matter, but you are being hysterical to keep acting as if it does with no working hypothesis to test.  Leaving you in the hopeless category as well I might note. 

Hopefully they can one day be consigned to history.