I was wrong: not all expensive speaker wire is simply jewelry to be put on display

[mansr]

10 hours ago, AnotherSpin said:

As an Ukrainian myself I would love to give you one example of not so crazy audio design, originated in Ukraine. Here is a quote from Lampizator's site: "One of key factors is that Lukasz Fikus, chief designer - is not electronic educated but electrical engineer. This is a huge difference. Everybody else in this industry is electronic. That means particular style, that is taught at electronic schools. Electrical is different. it is much  more primal and basic and it fits tube technology much better. You may disagree but our products speak for themselves - hi-fi from electrical perspective, not electronic. Everything that Lukasz learned other than his own experience and trial and error - was from his old masters from Ukraine who spent their whole life working with tubes and chokes."

I don't buy into these "I'm better than you lot who were ruined by education" stories. That's not to say one can't learn how to create good designs in unconventional ways, but education never hurts.

[AnotherSpin]

23 minutes ago, mansr said:

I don't buy into these "I'm better than you lot who were ruined by education" stories. That's not to say one can't learn how to create good designs in unconventional ways, but education never hurts.

 

Was this about education?

[bunno77]

11 hours ago, AnotherSpin said:

 

As an Ukrainian myself I would love to give you one example of not so crazy audio design, originated in Ukraine. Here is a quote from Lampizator's site: "One of key factors is that Lukasz Fikus, chief designer - is not electronic educated but electrical engineer. This is a huge difference. Everybody else in this industry is electronic. That means particular style, that is taught at electronic schools. Electrical is different. it is much  more primal and basic and it fits tube technology much better. You may disagree but our products speak for themselves - hi-fi from electrical perspective, not electronic. Everything that Lukasz learned other than his own experience and trial and error - was from his old masters from Ukraine who spent their whole life working with tubes and chokes."

I agree to a point but there are many,  many, many engineers in the industry. 

[mansr]

1 hour ago, AnotherSpin said:

Was this about education?

Sure looks that way to me:

"One of key factors is that Lukasz Fikus, chief designer - is not electronic educated"

[AnotherSpin]

57 minutes ago, mansr said:

Sure looks that way to me:

"One of key factors is that Lukasz Fikus, chief designer - is not electronic educated"

 

Glad you interested, but I used the quote from Lampi site because of these words: "Everything that Lukasz learned other than his own experience and trial and error - was from his old masters from Ukraine who spent their whole life working with tubes and chokes"

[AnotherSpin]

1 hour ago, bunno77 said:

I agree to a point but there are many,  many, many engineers in the industry. 

 

If you read above you may undestand it was an answer to sphinxsix, who said: <...> 

The guy used to bring quite weird cable stuff from his home country which BTW is Ukraine now - for example carbon cables used in MIG fighters or cables made of rare earth metals. I wouldn't be suprised by the weirdest stuff coming from this geographic area. Audiophiles there AFAIK happen to be (almost) as crazy as the Japanese. <...>

[semente]

3 minutes ago, AnotherSpin said:

 

Glad you interested, but I used the quote from Lampi site because of these words: "Everything that Lukasz learned other than his own experience and trial and error - was from his old masters from Ukraine who spent their whole life working with tubes and chokes"

 

So I guess we could say that he was educated after all.

[crenca]

12 hours ago, AnotherSpin said:

 

As an Ukrainian myself....

 

 

Your not in the east are you AnotherSpin?  If you are, keep your head down and don't listen to that Russian army radio!

[elcorso]

 

3 hours ago, AnotherSpin said:

 

Was this about education?

 

You touched their 'Education God'. If Einstein had thought the same we would be like the beginning of the 20th century!

 

Lukasz Fikus is a genius that started from zero to design his DAC. And if they think that LAMPI prices are very high, please check out those of MSB and dSC (scientifically -following the establishment of the day-  designed)...!

 

Roch

[AnotherSpin]

2 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

 

Your not in the east are you AnotherSpin?  If you are, keep your head down and don't listen to that Russian army radio!

 

Not sure I understand you completely, anyway I appreciate your interest. I live in Odessa, Ukraine, and part of each year in India. I do not care about anything Russian with exception of few books from Tolstoy and Pushkin and several pieces of classical music from Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov. Now let us go back to cables, if you do not mind..)

[semente]

25 minutes ago, elcorso said:

 

 

You touched their 'Education God'. If Einstein had thought the same we would be like the beginning of the 20th century!

 

Lukasz Fikus is a genius that started from zero to design his DAC. And if they think that LAMPI prices are very high, please check out those of MSB and dSC (scientifically -following the establishment of the day-  designed)...!

 

Roch

 

I'd really like to have a look at the measurements of that geniality (my genial phone keeps correcting the word to genitalia...) 

[AnotherSpin]

16 minutes ago, semente said:

 

I'd really like to have a look at the measurements of that geniality (my genial phone keeps correcting the word to genitalia...) 

 

Well, you live up to measurements. Sure it work.

[wgscott]

1 hour ago, elcorso said:

 

 

You touched their 'Education God'. If Einstein had thought the same we would be like the beginning of the 20th century!

 

Lukasz Fikus is a genius that started from zero to design his DAC. And if they think that LAMPI prices are very high, please check out those of MSB and dSC (scientifically -following the establishment of the day-  designed)...!

 

Roch

 

If a similar approach was used for airplane design, would you be willing to fly on an airplane designed by sociologists and poets?

 

[AnotherSpin]

30 minutes ago, wgscott said:

 

If a similar approach was used for airplane design, would you be willing to fly on an airplane designed by sociologists and poets?

 

I am flying quite often, and every flight is a necessary evil for me. The aim of a flight do matter, and poetry leads here most of all.

[elcorso]

1 hour ago, semente said:

 

I'd really like to have a look at the measurements of that geniality (my genial phone keeps correcting the word to genitalia...) 

 

Well, being listening to music an art (at least to me), 'genitalia' could be the right way to describe the way I like a piece of music reproduction gear!

 

By the time I bougth it by measurements was very descouraging, trowing away a lot of money...

 

Roch

[elcorso]

46 minutes ago, wgscott said:

 

If a similar approach was used for airplane design, would you be willing to fly on an airplane designed by sociologists and poets?

 

 

Pardon me my very poor English, but I can't see the connection with LAMPI design and  airplanes designs. But I have to choose I'll go for the poets. Sociologists and shinrks can't go deep in the human brain: A brain deeping in a brain? Well, I had seing some surgeons making surgery in his own body, but never in their brains?

 

Best,

 

Roch

 

[semente]

52 minutes ago, elcorso said:

 

Pardon me my very poor English, but I can't see the connection with LAMPI design and  airplanes designs. But I have to choose I'll go for the poets. Sociologists and shinrks can't go deep in the human brain: A brain deeping in a brain? Well, I had seing some surgeons making surgery in his own body, but never in their brains?

 

Best,

 

Roch

 

 

My wife is a neuroscientist and has trouble filling the dishwasher. 

It's a good thing she hasn't had a go at aeronautics... 

[Jud]

1 hour ago, wgscott said:

 

If a similar approach was used for airplane design, would you be willing to fly on an airplane designed by sociologists and poets?

 

 

How strange that we seem to spin so far from what I'm supposing was the original intended meaning of the quoted piece.

 

 I doubt Lukasz was proudly trying to claim a woefully lacking technical background.  I think he just meant his technical education arose from a somewhat different tradition with different topics emphasized than is typical these days.

[crenca]

5 hours ago, AnotherSpin said:

 

Not sure I understand you completely, anyway I appreciate your interest. I live in Odessa, Ukraine, and part of each year in India. I do not care about anything Russian with exception of few books from Tolstoy and Pushkin and several pieces of classical music from Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov. Now let us go back to cables, if you do not mind..)

 

No worries - glad to see you are not in the thick of the conflict.  I hope some day to visit the Ukraine and Odessa will certainly be on the itinerary.

[sphinxsix]

2 hours ago, Jud said:

 I doubt Lukasz was proudly trying to claim a woefully lacking technical background.  I think he just meant his technical education arose from a somewhat different tradition with different topics emphasized than is typical these days.

I agree with this. He also expressed his respect for his Ukrainian audio mentors.

 

5 hours ago, crenca said:

Your not in the east are you AnotherSpin?  If you are, keep your head down and don't listen to that Russian army radio!

No, keep your head up and make those Russians go away. And I'm sorry we (EU) did so little to help you in this regard. (but I don't want to instigate political discussion here)

 

As for the whole electronic/electrical engineer/education matter - I couldn't care less. If some gear designed in a spare time by a lavatory attendent sounded better than the one designed by an engineer - I'd  buy it without any hesitation (wouldn't you.?). One listens to an audio component not to its designers diploma after all. 

4 hours ago, wgscott said:

If a similar approach was used for airplane design, would you be willing to fly on an airplane designed by sociologists and poets?

 

These are two different things. As far as I know flying is slightly more dangerous than listening to audio gear and more people lose their lives in plane crashes than in ..gear crashes.. (despite the fact that all planes are designed by professional specialists..). And I've heard really good audio gear designed by 'nonprofessionals'. BTW I've heard bad one too..

 

[AnotherSpin]

4 minutes ago, sphinxsix said:

No, keep your head up and make those Russians go away.

 

I will. Thank you.

[mansr]

9 minutes ago, sphinxsix said:

As for the whole electronic/electrical engineer/education matter - I couldn't care less. If some gear designed in a spare time by a lavatory attendent sounded better than the one designed by an engineer - I'd  buy it without any hesitation (wouldn't you.?).

Sure, gear should be evaluated on its own merits. What I object to is the suggestion that certain gear is good because the designer lacks formal education.

[semente]

2 hours ago, Jud said:

 

How strange that we seem to spin so far from what I'm supposing was the original intended meaning of the quoted piece.

 

 I doubt Lukasz was proudly trying to claim a woefully lacking technical background.  I think he just meant his technical education arose from a somewhat different tradition with different topics emphasized than is typical these days.

 

Or maybe it's just marketing targeting a particular group of audiophiles.

 

[sphinxsix]

19 minutes ago, mansr said:

What I object to is the suggestion that certain gear is good because the designer lacks formal education.

I agree with you in 100%. BTW IMO there's nothing wrong with designer's proclaiming his own, slightly different from most audio/electronic education path. In fact I like designers-individualists provided their gear is good.

[Jud]

28 minutes ago, semente said:

 

Or maybe it's just marketing targeting a particular group of audiophiles.

 

 

I would guess both.