MQA is Vaporware

[kumakuma]

2 minutes ago, PeterV said:

My need for ripping and archiving is gone now I can stream MQA albums and standard FLAC in Tidal. More time to discover new musical Gems

 

Wait until you discover the temporal nature of music on streaming services and streaming services themselves.

[kumakuma]

5 minutes ago, PeterSt said:

 

I wouldn't trust any Dutchman.

[kumakuma]

40 minutes ago, PeterV said:

 

Because you are are using disgusting means to incriminate me by threatening me personally.  I disgust such behaviour and am confronting you now with your crappy lies and fantasies regarding your 432 Hz religion. You have no right to attack MQA since you are a fraud. 

 

I'm confused.

 

How are your MQA religion beliefs any better than his 432 Hz religion beliefs?

[kumakuma]

1 minute ago, PeterV said:

AES New York 2017
Recording & Production Track Event RP11

Recording & Production: RP11 - 192dB DR, 32bit/DXD Ultra High Resolution Capture, Processing and Mastering Workflow for MQA, DSD and Future High Resolution Archiving and Delivery

This presentation will include a complete back to back working example utilizing Mytek Brooklyn ADC and DAC mastering converters for the modern 21st century mastering approach: 32bit fixed/192dB/352.8k DXD capture and playback and 64bit double precision DAW signal processing. World highest dynamic range with flat noise floor to 200kHz and precision processing allow for new opportunities to create masters for all new high resolution formats including MQA and DSD256 as well as incorporation of new restoration techniques such as Plangent tape process unachievable with regular 24/192k conversion. George Massenburg, Bob Ludwig, Alan Silverman and few other mastering engineers are currently testing system suitability for MQA(R) mastering.

 

Here you go vaporware priests..!   http://www.aes.org/events/143/recording/?ID=5693

 

So what?

 

Mytek is doing a marketing presentation highlighting hardware that they want to sell to the industry wrapped in a thin layer of technical content.

 

These kinds of presentations are a dime a dozen at trade events.

[kumakuma]

17 minutes ago, PeterSt said:

Still there is so much truth in this :

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for sharing this. 

 

I found an English translation of the lyrics here:

 

http://lyricstranslate.com/en/belgië-belgium.html

 

[kumakuma]

1 hour ago, christopher3393 said:

 

Thanks. In the interest of transparency it might be helpful for you to acknowledge your own participation in this program, your affiliation with AES, and your professional institutional affiliation, which may include what you refer to as "Witchdoctor studios".

 

Witchdoctor shared a picture of his studio here:

 

 

[kumakuma]

12 minutes ago, witchdoctor said:

If you want to know why the labels like MQA this is a must read:

 

http://musically.com/2017/09/04/major-labels-hi-res-audio/

 

The major labels don't give a sh*t about sound quality.

 

There are two reasons why they like MQA:

 

- allows them sell yet another version of the same music to the same consumers

- contains DRM which they hope will reduce piracy 

[kumakuma]

3 minutes ago, witchdoctor said:

You are right and wrong. Studios care about acquiring new customers. Every new streaming customer adds monthly revenue. It's CUSTOMERS that care about SQ right? Maybe better SQ + new customers but we need to wait for sales data to see.

 

Only a very small percentage of music consumers really care that much about SQ. These are the folks that hang out on forums like this. The fact that even SQ-obsessed music lovers like ourselves have mixed feelings about the SQ of this format doesn't bode well for it's future.

[kumakuma]

1 minute ago, witchdoctor said:

Why would they buy anything? I got a line of friends outside my door waiting to get in to jam, chill, and rock out

 

If you really cared about making MQA a success, you'd convince them to get their own subscriptions rather than sponging off yours.

[kumakuma]

5 minutes ago, witchdoctor said:

Bob Ludwig, Ian Shepherd and Bob Stuart presenting on MQA at AES today:

 

 

So what did they have to say?

[kumakuma]

6 minutes ago, witchdoctor said:

The level of vitriol from the malcontents is over a $10 a month decision.

 

No, it isn't.

[kumakuma]

2 minutes ago, witchdoctor said:

I think Deezer is available in Germany and will be offering MQA, NP.

 

https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2017/09/04/mqa-and-deezer-announce-partnership/

 

I would very surprised if MQA ever establishes any presence outside of streaming. No one (with a brain in their head) wants to download music in a proprietary, closed format like MQA.

[kumakuma]

5 minutes ago, witchdoctor said:

HDtracks allows you to buy it and very soon will allow you to stream it. Onkyo music allows you to buy it, have fun.

 

 

Can you provide a link to the MQA albums for sale on HDTracks? A search for MQA returns five or six albums but none seem to be in MQA format.

 

[kumakuma]

3 minutes ago, witchdoctor said:

The witchdoctor does not work for HDTracks, please contact them directly, sorry

 

You said "HDtracks allows you to buy it" so I assumed you'd be able to answer this. Why am I not surprised that you can't?

[kumakuma]

6 minutes ago, PeterSt said:

 

 

I don't know what kind of troll your are. A mad one I suppose. 

What is your urge to be all over this thread ? can you help yourself ? or is it too late for that ?

 

We are partly to blame here as we keep feeding him.

[kumakuma]

36 minutes ago, Brian Lucey said:

Higher sample rates DO NOT equal a better sound, a more accurate sound, a more faithful to the source or more respectful to the artists, etc, sound.

 

Reality check please.

 

15 minutes ago, Brian Lucey said:

All good.  Just be careful of the marketing that says higher rates are better.    For example, I would disagree with this:

"I do not have the golden ears to distinguish anything above that quality "

 

When audiophiles complain about the fear based loudness and then engage in fear based "high quality" sample rate purchasing I just have to say PLEASE STOP the hypocrisy !

 

You will find few people here who believe that higher sample rates are always better. 

 

Instead the consensus among most people here is that the quality of the work done by folks like you trumps resolution every time and that music released in Redbook format can sound amazing. 

[kumakuma]

Just now, Brian Lucey said:

 

Good news.

What matters is the work, yes, but the gear aspects matter hugely given the same work.

 

1. The analog line to and from the AD or DA

2. The clock

3. The filtering

 

Power supplies factor in 1 and 3 also

 

I'm sure most folks here would agree with you.

[kumakuma]

9 minutes ago, GUTB said:

Why is it that TAS is unanimous in thier support of MQA?

 

Because new technology/products gives them a way to fill their monthly quota of magazine pages...

[kumakuma]

6 minutes ago, GUTB said:

 

TAS is well known to be a no-BS publication.

 

Really?

 

I lost all respect for the rag in 2012 when they published that infamous series of articles on computer music sound quality written by a oncologist. If I remember correctly, TAS picked up the articles after Stereophile rejected them.

 

I still have a subscription because it's cheap but I only read it for the music reviews.

[kumakuma]

14 minutes ago, mansr said:

The articles where they used a tape measure to assess the sound of metadata in FLAC files? That was pure entertainment.

 

I think that was in the second series of "articles" by the same two clowns.

[kumakuma]

4 minutes ago, Brian Lucey said:

 

What you meant was .. vs. the ACTUAL MASTER

 

That is the best and only hi res that matters.

 

What you said implies there is more to gain by going up.

 

Brian, glad to see you back!

 

With all due respect, I don't think anyone here would interpret what he said in the way that you took it. As I mentioned in an earlier post, few folks here believe the "myth" that you responded to.

 

[kumakuma]

25 minutes ago, Brian Lucey said:

We CANNOT upgrade ANY master from where it was printed.  There is nothing above 22k to grab, understand?  And no one here can hear 16k I'll bet.  

 

This is only true if you print at 44.1. I've got tons of downloads that were mastered at higher frequencies than this.

 

Whether or not, the additional audio information makes any difference is another discussion...

[kumakuma]

10 minutes ago, Shadders said:

Hi,

Nothing wrong with old ears : the bigger the better - capture more sound :

Regards,

Shadders.

 

I wonder if anyone has ever told this dude that his ears are famous, especially on audio forums.

[kumakuma]

28 minutes ago, Brian Lucey said:

 

Everything about a format is incorporated into the released master

 

Bottom line

 

There is no "upgrade" only downgrades

 

I understand.

 

I was responding to this comment you made:

 

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There is nothing above 22k to grab, understand?

 

My point was that this 22k cut-off only applies if the master was done at 16/44.1 or 24/44.1. 

 

Masters done at at 24/48, 24/96, and 24/192 will (or should) have information up to 24k, 48k, and 96k respectively. 

[kumakuma]

55 minutes ago, Brian Lucey said:

 

I am not here to make friends, I'm telling the truth to music lovers and those who seek the best.   Audiophiles are  often caught up in the wrong thing.

 

If you want AUTHENTIC and IN THE STUDIO masters, you need to know the native sample rate of the mastering session.   That is the best quality, the rest is making people money and bolstering egos ..." I have that record on DSD" !   Dumb.

 

Any change from the native sample rate of the session is not authentic to the artist and lesser quality.  

 

Absolutely, always.

 

You appear to be in VIOLENT AGREEMENT with most audiophiles.

 

You'll find few people here or anywhere else in the audiophile community that want music released in DSD simply because the release format is DSD.

 

We always want our music in the format that it was recorded in. This is why sites that cater to audiophiles usually provide technical information/session information on the recording that they sell.