MQA is Vaporware

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58 minutes ago, Jud said:

Feigning incomprehension when called on a false claim.  I am so very not surprised

I responded to Chris's comment about pro MQA being conspiratorial or organised with a comment said that I felt it was anti MQA that was "organised". 

 

You then explain what a conspiracy was.

 

I'm still non the wiser. Chris thinks MQA support organised, I think anti MQA organised. You mentioned bankrolled etc (where did that come from I asked) I said it could be like minded people. After that yu are going on about I'm not sure what.

 

So that's what I read, what did I miss?

 

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32 minutes ago, Jud said:

Notably, those who say criticism of MQA is unfair never seem to have "numbers attached."

People who say criticism is unfair would be adopting an unreasonable position to start with. Nothing wrong with criticism! I'm not that person. No graphs needed for my points.

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20 minutes ago, firedog said:

So much better that it's impossible to listen to it and not be a convert.

Well I get that, but over egging it doesn't seem necessary and the hobbyists (well certainly some of them) do take on the appearance of vigilantes. It just makes for polarisation.

 

And out of curiosity, what is the aim of this counterargument? To convince others? The hostile attitude won't do that. To change the business model of MQA?

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1 minute ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

What you're calling "hostile attitude" has indeed changed some minds about MQA

Maybe a less hostile attitude could have changed more and avoided polarisation

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2 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

The aim is the liquidation of MQA Ltd.

Shame, quietly fading away might be more achievable . (for another conversation but I don't get how it's going to catch on, why would people buy it, there's no prospect of a monopoly, isn't it doomed anyway? but for another conversation)

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2 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

People tried in 2015 and 2016 with no success

Sometimes it's better to keep quiet, don't give the topic the fuel of publicity?

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18 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

This thread is a reaction to the marketing plan of MQA Ltd.

And all it's doing is giving MQA free publicity, own goal...

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59 minutes ago, Jud said:

Waiting for suggested solutions. Got any?

Well, if wasn't obvious.... stop the free publicity?

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1 hour ago, Rt66indierock said:

Nice try but this is an old argument. There seems to one group of audiophiles saying all you are doing is giving them free publicity. Those that are upset that the audio press is criticized. 

It's not a "nice try" or an 'argument", it's an observation. If a number of people point that out, I guess you could call them a group (but why). Can't see the connection to the audio press?

 

Not sure where you're trying to go here...

 

 

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Just now, The Computer Audiophile said:

Based on what I’ve been told, back when I was on the MQA Ltd Christmas card list, the company would prefer this thread go away.

Well, things have changed, I wouldn't assume that still holds true. I don't see any damage being caused by this campaign and similar efforts on other fora. It could even embolden them, they may believe themselves more than otherwise. Thinks- If these experts are worried, maybe we will take over the world! 

 

I don't see the threat but you guys do.

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5 minutes ago, FredericV said:

It just does not compute.

That's because people aren't computers?

 

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29 minutes ago, Jud said:

Or if there should be some positive action, what would that look like?

I'm not running your campaign for you, I made an observation. I realise that's dangerous...

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Life's too short...

 

 

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12 hours ago, crenca said:

Here is a hard truth for some of you

This is just your opinion, it's not a truth or a hard truth. 

 

At least your true colours are there for all to see. 

 

This sort of thing and this anti MQA thing  is doing Audiophile style damage in my opinion. By all means make it a members only club but don't look back.

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Hi Crinca, sure MQA works for me. I'm not in the photo, I didn't go. 

 

Didn't you notice my Ref 75SE sold? That's Acoustic Research (not owned by Meridian but I'll check). Also have Wilsons System 8s for sale, also not Meridian. My DAC also for sale Aqua La Scala (I didn't know Meridian owned them as well).

 

Hifi forums, don't you love 'em. All about hifi.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Dr Tone said:

there is lots of parroting MQA marketing as un-refutable facts over their on the Roon forums.

And there's the relentless drone of the anti-MQA gang, re-repeating the mantra... It's become a little juvenile.

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10 hours ago, Kal Rubinson said:

Audio Research, I think

Thanks Kal, I'll try and blame predictive text... Great amp btw.

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42 minutes ago, firedog said:

People like you drive every professional who comes here away.

Not just professionals, other users/readers like myself stop coming here. People are hounded. I just popped in to see if you are all still at it but it seems it's degenerated further...

 

 

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4 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Hey guys, if anyone wants to learn how to be profitable, Hugo from Meridian will tell you how. 

 

Given Meridian’s colossal money losses over the years, this tweet is comical. 

 

 

 

Schadenfreude, I guess it has a place here?

Install is their chosen marketplace, not consumer audio, so they probably aren’t tuned in. Not heard of Hugo before, chances are he joined after Meridian lost the money.

 

Small thing that people seem to forget in their MQA hate fest, Meridian actually make some excellent Hi-Fi gear. Sooloos bore Roon. Second hand DSP speakers are a huge Hi-Fi bargain. An excellent pair of digital active speakers, £500. Plug in a SPDIF source (Allo) and you would need to spend 10 times that to improve the sound (ps to Allo excepting). But hate away...

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33 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Based on my understanding of it, no.

 

You appear to be taking pleasure in Meridian's losses and mocking Hugo- Schadenfreude

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38 minutes ago, mansr said:

That would mean he's a time traveller from the future.

Not following you there, Meridian lost money over a number of years. If Hugo joined recently, he's not part of that loss making period? I don't get where time travel comes in.

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2 hours ago, kumakuma said:

I think it was the irony of the phrase used in the tweet. Kind of along these lines...

If it was irony, it wasn't a good example. Irony isn't so common in the US. 

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39 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

So you don't see the irony of a company that's lost money for years providing advice on how to make money to other businesses?

If that were the situation yes, but that wasn't the comment.

 

It's about a company with a poor profit record and someone who may have  just joined the company telling AV installers how to make money by adding zones to installs. 

 

Not very ironic, more like enjoying Meridian's lack of profit because you all hate MQA (and ignoring a great manufacturer of hifi) and involving a sales guy in the hate. No irony there, just spite. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, MikeyFresh said:

If not ironic, then perhaps peculiar is an apt description?

You've missed the point, have a re-read.

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2 hours ago, Rt66indierock said:

Meridian’s operating losses where brought up to support the market has consistently rejected Bob Stuart’s ideas about sound

Wow, massive leap, could be anything else could it? Like he's no good at making money (good at hifi though) The MQA hate just goes on....

 

Meridian has produced excellent hifi, I've listened to a lot over the last last 30/40  years, excellent gear, still sounding excellent as well. I have gear I bought in 89, still sounding ... goes what ... excellent.