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    Review | Running a Large Roon Library on a QNAP TVS-872XT

    Since Roon Labs launched its eponymous app Roon in March of 2015 at the Munich High End show, I've been thinking of ways to streamline it in my system and optimize its performance. And yes, once in a while I listen to the Roon team's great advice, which usually involves them telling me they've done all the homework and I should just do X, Y, and Z. Roon Labs has an amazing team of people with varied backgrounds and enough technical skills to run circles around 99.9% of HiFi companies. It's quite refreshing to exchange emails with the team because I almost always learn something during the exchange. 

     

    I've had several conversations with the Roon Labs team over the years about the best way to run Roon, given my requirements. The team wisely starts most conversations by telling me I'm an edge case. An edge case is much better than a head case or a nut case, so I'll take that for what it's worth. I understand my predicament and don't expect any special treatment from the team or any custom solutions to my self-created problems. I get it. At the end of our conversations, the proposed solution is usually to get a Nucleus, hang a USB drive off of it, and call it a day. 

     

    I respect the suggested solution, and it's one I've installed in quite a few systems around the world. However, I sometimes have a problem following the rules, listening to authority, and going with the flow. Thus, for my latest attempt at perfecting my Roon installation I got in touch with QNAP and had them send a TVS-872XT NAS. I have other reasons for going the QNAP route as well. I didn't try it just to be difficult :~)

     

     

    My Requirements

     

    It helps to understand my requirements and where I'm coming from, before digging into the QNAP details. If one's requirements are vastly different, then this article can be disregarded, unless an escape from the real world is desired. In that case, please read on. Readers may pick up something they can use now or at some point in the future.  


    I like to tweak and eke out every last ounce of performance from the things I understand. Software, storage, and networking are in my wheelhouse and I love to dig in. Amps, speakers, preamps, not so much. I'm also a huge fan of music. It works magic on my mind and has been immensely important to me since I high-speed dubbed my brother's Houses of the Holy cassette to place in my first Walkman back in second grade (1983). Also note, that's the year I borrowed his vinyl copy of Pink Floyd's The Wall, to play for my second grade class. It was a seminal moment in my education when the class heard "Hey teachers, leave those kids alone," while my friends and I looked at the "funny" album jacket in the back of the class. Anyway, I have a lot of music in my collection because I absolutely love it and can't live without it.

     

    In addition to having a large library, I want solutions that are streamlined as much as possible. This is why I don't prefer the Nucleus with a huge USB drive hanging off the back. Such a solution works wonders for many people, it's just not my thing. I like the QNAP because it's the Roon core, music storage (with possible redundancy), and Roon database backup (on separate internal drive). Installing the Roon app on a QNAP NAS is as easy as clicking the install button in the App Center via the NAS management interface. 

     

    I also struggle with Roon's lack of support for the latest interface types on external drives connected to the Nucleus or Roon ROCK. USB-C / Thunderbolt external drives are everywhere, but Intel hasn't delivered stable drivers that can be used on Roon OS devices. It isn't the speed of this interface that's needed, but it's the lack of availability of things like external USB 3 drive housings that support RAID and the fact that I usually repurpose tech devices at some point in the future. A USB-C / Thunderbolt drive purchased now will give me many more years of repurposing than a USB 3 drive I'd have to purchase to work with a Roon OS device. 

     

    It should go without saying that I require any solution to be very fast while browsing through the Roon app or while doing any type of file copy to/from the device. 

     

    I also use convolution filters for room correction with roughly 65,000 taps. Any solution for Roon must be able to handle DSP without issue.

     

    Here are my music library details. This isn't about having the "biggest" collection or trying to prove something. There's always someone, somewhere with a bigger collection and more of everything. I'm just providing details of my collection so people can gauge the efficacy of my review with respect to their collections and requirements. 

     

     

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    Music
    Albums in Roon library 21,571
    Qobuz & Tidal albums 1,677
    Local albums 19,894

     

    Tracks in Roon 324,348
    Tracks in Qobuz & Tidal 25,495
    Local tracks 298,853

     

    Music stored on the QNAP
    10.09TB
    371,597 files
    31,301 folders

     

    Roon Database
    21.62 GB
    167,648 files
    83,521 folders

     

    Roon Database Backup
    42.11 GB
    154,748 files
    63,234 folders

     

     

     

     

     


    QNAP TVS-872XT

     

    QNAP TVS-872XT Front.jpgI talked to the team at QNAP about my project to streamline and optimize Roon for my entire library, and told them I also needed a semi-powerful NAS because of my desire to use digital signal processing on the Roon core. Soon after, a QNAP TVS-872XT arrived on my doorstep. The people at QNAP have been very helpful and understanding during this entire process. Especially because I've had this unit for several months and should've posted this review months ago. However, becoming an unwilling homeschool second grade teacher to an unwilling second grade student put a huge damper on things over the last few months. 

     

    The TVS-872XT has terrific specs for a NAS that's to be used as a Roon core. The CPU is an Intel Core i5-8400T running at 1.7 GHz with six cores. It has 16 GB of memory and a 10 Gigabit Ethernet port in addition to the dual 1 Gb ports. The NAS also features 8 "traditional" drive bays that support 3.5/2.5 inch spinning or solid state drives and two M.2 solid state drive slots accessible after opening the chassis. 

     

    Over the years QNAP has expanded the features and capabilities of its NAS devices greatly. There are tons of other features on the TVS-872XT that may never be needed by an audiophile, but it's lovely to know the features are available if needed. This NAS is also plenty powerful for users to install virtual machines or Docker containers for other audio experimentation. I installed a few things over the last couple months while testing items such as ConvoFS, the convolving system for digital room correction that operates at the storage level but doesn't alter original files, and a JRiver Docker container. There is also a plentiful list of available apps for QNAP devices that can help one send audio around one's house. I installed MinimServer for UPnP/DLNA while testing an Auralic Altair G1. QNAP NAS devices are very flexible and will handle almost anything an audiophile can throw at them. 

     

    I setup the QNAP TVS-872XT with three Seagate 6 TB drives (ST6000VN0033), one Samsung 500 GB 970 EVO M.2 NVME drive, and one Samsung 250 GB 960 EVO M.2 NVME drive. I used this drive configuration because I had the drives already and I knew they'd work well and wouldn't hurt performance. 

     

    I used the three Seagate drives in a static RAID 0 volume (16.14 TB usable space). RAID 0 has no redundancy and I wouldn't recommend doing it this way unless one has the time to manually recover from a drive failure. Ideally I would've had more drives on hand to use a RAID 5 setup with additional storage headroom. Such a setup would enable me to replace a failed drive without turning the QNAP off and without re-copying 10 TB of music back to the NAS. A single drive failure in a RAID 5 group isn't an issue for audiophiles because no data is lost and the data that was on the failed dive is rebuilt automatically in the QNAP once the drive is replaced. 

     

    On the 500 GB Samsung 970 EVO M.2 drive I installed only the Roon application. This drive contains the Roon database that's fairly important to house on a fast solid state drive. 

     

    The 250 GB M.2 drive contains only the automatic backups of the Roon database. These two M.2 drives operate separately, so any failure of one has no effect on the other. A failure of the entire NAS through a lightning strike may be an issue in that both drives containing the Roon database could be wiped out, but this risk can be minimized by either using the built-in Dropbox database backup or copying it to an external drive that isn't always plugged in.

     

     

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    Real World Performance

     

    The Roon software is excellent. The QNAP hardware is excellent. The bottom line performance of Roon with a large library on the QNAP ranges from maddeningly poor to excellent. Fortunately, after many months of experimenting with this setup, I believe I've found a way to make it run excellent 100% of the time. As you'll see, it's probably the most basic, non-technical, first level Helpdesk way to solve problems, but it works. 

     

    Note: The Roon team is currently working with QNAP to resolve the issues I ran into during this review. 

     

    The Good - I like simplicity, so I installed Roon directly on the QNAP. I've used NAS drives in the past with the Roon core on a separate device, but the overall user experience isn't nearly as good. The biggest drawback to that method is that Roon doesn't immediately recognizing new music added to the local NAS. It can take either a manual scan of the NAS or a scheduled rescan. With Roon installed on the NAS, on its own M.2 solid state drive, and the music sitting on a RAID array of spinning disks, new music was displayed in Roon within seconds of adding it over my network. Of course new music from Qobuz or Tidal is added instantly no matter the configuration. 

     

    I love having Roon on a single box rather than placing a Nucleus or Roon ROCK on my network to act as the core. It's one less box to power, update, and think about. 

     

    The QNAP TVS-872XT has more than enough power to run Roon and fairly heavy digital signal processing without breaking a sweat. I use FIR convolution filters for room correction often, and experiment with all the Roon DSP settings as needed. These can get CPU intensive and cause delays in playback on less powerful machines. The Intel Core i5 in the QNAP TVS-872XT is all one needs. For example, I can't discern a difference, with respect to time between clicking play and hearing the music, whether I have convolution enabled or disabled. I currently use a 65,000 tap filter, but I've used filters 3 and 4 times that large, and still never noticed a difference in Roon's speed while running on the QNAP.

     

    Another thing that's more related to QNAP than Roon is the QNAP's ability to back itself up to another NAS or numerous online services. Back in the day when Amazon offered unlimited storage for less than $100 per year, things were terrific. I just logged into my Amazon account via the QNAP interface and configured it to backup everything to the cloud. Now that Amazon is much more expensive, I just backup my 10 TB locally. Either way, the QNAP can automate almost anything an audiophile would want with respect to backing up. 

     

    My everyday user experience with Roon on the QNAP, when everything was behaving, was really nice. Searching a large library can be taxing and take time on hardware that isn't up to the task. The QNAP was very snappy during searches. Searching is usually the number one thing that bothers me when a piece of hardware isn't up to snuff. When I search for Pearl Jam, I want results in a reasonable amount of time. I don't expect instant results, but I expect results long before I lose interest in playing music and start checking text messages. 

    Here is a video of me navigating my library and doing the things I would do on a normal day in Roon. As you can see it's pretty quick given that I pull up Pearl Jam in a search and browse all my PJ albums. 

     

     

     

     

     


    The Bad - Until very recently Roon's performance on the QNAP TVS-872XT was hit and miss. At times it was excellent and at other times it was unusable. By unusable, I mean searches taking several minutes and a minute between clicking play and the music actually coming out of my speakers. Activity like this would send me on a wild goose chase trying to find how I may be causing the problem with my own network or other devices. I always look at myself first in these situations because I run a different network than most audiophiles. The Roon team frequently suggests using "dumb" switches etc... but I have a complete Ubiquiti UniFi managed network with fiber between the switches and to some Roon Ready endpoints. Throughout all of the issues I could never track down a network problem of my own when this Roon strangeness occurred. It's still possible the problem is somewhere on my network, but I just couldn't find it here. 

     

    The solution to the aforementioned issues was almost always restarting the Roon app on the QNAP. 90% of the time Roon would come back up and all would be right in my audio world. The problem is that restarting Roon takes 4 minutes on the QNAP TVS-872XT. Start your stop watch just before you want to listen to some music after a rough day, and sit there for four minutes before you start listening. It's a first world chronometric marathon of a problem, but a problem nonetheless. 

     

    The second part to this problem was that it happened sporadically. I could never figure out a pattern to what was happening. I started looking into the QNAP Resource Monitor when tings with Roon went awry and I noticed very high CPU usage at the same time by the RoonAppliance process. The RAM utilization would climb over 6 GB as well, but that wasn't indicative of a problem. 

     

     

    QNAP Roon Power Schedule.jpgIn early May I started rebooting the QNAP TVS-872XT weekly through it's absolutely simple Power Schedule feature. This seemed to resolve the issue for the most part, but not 100%. I lived with it like this for a few weeks before I said heck with it and switched to the shotgun approach. I then scheduled a daily reboot of the QNAP at 5:00 in the morning. This enabled me to start fresh every day with a fully functioning system. 

     

     

    Here is an example of before and after rebooting. The first image shows Roon using 42.82% of the CPU and 6.5 GB of memory. Trying to navigate my music collection with resource utilization like this was a nonstarter. In the second image you can see Roon using 0.75% CPU and 5.1 GB of memory after restarting the NAS. At that point everything in Roon worked wonderfully. 

     

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    The Solution - Once I switched to the daily reboot regimen, Roon on the QNAP TVS-872XT was fantastic. It was very fast and never had any issues such as the one minute pause between clicking play and the tracks actually being inserted into the queue. 


    For reference, here are videos of the Roon application restarting on the QNAP TVS-872XT and restarting the entire QNAP TVS-872XT. Readers can see the timeline of what's happening during the reboot and how long it takes when one has a library of 21,571 albums / 324,348 tracks.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Conclusion

     

    Using Roon on the QNAP TVS-872XT is now excellent. Searching a large local library and two streaming services is more than acceptably fast. I can be an impatient person when it comes to technology. I have no problems with the speed of Roon on the QNAP TVS-872XT. I love that I've removed the old Roon ROCK NUC that functioned as my Roon core. It's an extra box about which I no longer care. Readers new to the NAS concept should also know that the The QNAP sits in my basement, near my network stack and furnace. There is no need to have it anywhere near one's listening space. 

     

    Given the added flexibility of the QNAP platform and the hardware headroom of the TVS-872XT, I believe it's a very solid device on which to base a Roon installation. In fact the TVS-872XT is a great foundational piece for all audiophiles who have a large library of local music. I recommend using the dual M.2 solid state drive configuration to hold the Roon database and backup as I did, but I don't recommend going the RAID 0 route. Get enough disks to hold the entire local library, with headroom, and use a simple RAID 5 array. Other configurations can be argued and debated until we're all blue in the face, and many others will likely work well. If you want a proven solution, one that I use every day, go with my recommendation. Now worries either way though. 

     

     

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    13 minutes ago, LarryMagoo said:

    I haver never understood people with ridiculous sized libraries.  I have a measly .5 TB and I have stuff I don't remember buying.  How in the hell do you listen to 10-21 TB????     You could not possibly listen to that much music in any ONE lifetime!

    And how big are your files?  Much of my collection is high-resolution, multichannel and uncompressed.  Some of the individual tracks exceed 10G!

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    +1 Chris!  As a poor analogy I sure hope my public library doesn’t throw out books that have been rarely borrowed. The good news is our libraries are housed not in brick and mortar but incredibly cheap storage. The need to throw out anything is seldom invoked. 
     

    Kal, yes And as I joked earlier wait til we turn Chris into a multichannel guy. His 10TBs goes 25 in a hurry. 😀

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    5 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said:

    And how big are your files?  Much of my collection is high-resolution, multichannel and uncompressed.  Some of the individual tracks exceed 10G!

    10G really hurts

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    1 hour ago, ted_b said:

    Kal, yes And as I joked earlier wait til we turn Chris into a multichannel guy. His 10TBs goes 25 in a hurry. 😀

    Yes.  It is simple math.

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    I have a similar experience. However, I am Synology-based.

     

    My Synology DS-3617xs:

    • Intel Xeon D-1527
    • 4 core
    • 2.2.Ghz
    • 32GB RAM
    • 10Gb Ethernet

     

    I also have a large local library with lots of HiRez files:

    • 11K Albums
    • 165K Tracks
    • ~3K Tidal albums

     

    When freshly booted, my NAS is snappy and performs well running Roon. Overtime, performance degrades - playback is fine but searching, pulling up info, etc... all things UI-related. I suspect a memory leak. Regular reboots isn’t a good solution as my NAS does other things as well which don’t like to be interrupted. I believe that Roon on a NAS is an infrequent deployment mode for Roon, and perhaps it doesn’t get as much engineering attention as other deployment modes. I love Roon, and am hopeful that one day a fix will appear.

     

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    Just in case this is useful for others with larger libraries...I've been using Roon for 4+ years now (my Roon DB was 60GB at last look and I've got over 240k tracks). Every few months it would crash the database and I'd have to restore some backup or other...a pain. I finally got around to raising a question on the board and a recommendation to run Roon Server on Windows came back. Since then I havent' looked back. The problem apparently revolves around Mono libraries that take care of .net duties on linux. Their just not as 'good' as the original libraries in Windows.

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    29 minutes ago, Crom said:

    Just in case this is useful for others with larger libraries...I've been using Roon for 4+ years now (my Roon DB was 60GB at last look and I've got over 240k tracks). Every few months it would crash the database and I'd have to restore some backup or other...a pain. I finally got around to raising a question on the board and a recommendation to run Roon Server on Windows came back. Since then I havent' looked back. The problem apparently revolves around Mono libraries that take care of .net duties on linux. Their just not as 'good' as the original libraries in Windows.

    Hi Crom, yeah Roon’s db works best on Windows but I always have an issue when storing my music on a NAS. Because of the limitations of CIFS / network shares, Roon can’t update the database when new music is added without a scan. 
     

    I could schedule a scan but that doesn’t help when I download album and want it right now. 
     

    I will be trying Roon core on Windows again soon. 

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    41 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Hi Crom, yeah Roon’s db works best on Windows but I always have an issue when storing my music on a NAS. Because of the limitations of CIFS / network shares, Roon can’t update the database when new music is added without a scan. 
     

    I could schedule a scan but that doesn’t help when I download album and want it right now. 
     

    I will be trying Roon core on Windows again soon. 

     

    Chris, is that a problem on the Small Green Computer devices as well?

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    10 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

     

    Chris, is that a problem on the Small Green Computer devices as well?

    Anytime the storage isn’t on the local machine Roon won’t update the database immediately. 

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    1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Anytime the storage isn’t on the local machine Roon won’t update the database immediately. 

     

    Thats a +1 in the buy a new Mini as a Core column.

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    6 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

     

    Thats a +1 in the buy a new Mini as a Core column.

    Where is your music storage?

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    I have used a QNAP NAS at home for 15+ years.

    I have also worked as an Architect for all the major Enterprise Storage Companies, including NetApp, EMC and Dell, so storage is what I do.

     

    Rebooting a NAS daily is ridiculous.

    That is not how a NAS is designed to operate.

    It sounds like you have configuration problems somewhere but you will definitely shorten the life of components by powering them on and off daily.

    You also are not using Enterprise grade drives in your NAS.

    Enterprise grade drives have a much higher MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) rating than consumer grade drives and will happily stay spinning for years.

    I have some in my secondary NAS that have been spinning almost continuously for 15+ years with no failures.

    Not even as much as a bad sector.

     

    Running a NAS in RAID 0 is not a good idea.

    It not a question of "debate".

    You need the redundancy because otherwise a drive failure will take out the array. Period.

    If you have never been through this issue, you can be excused for not understanding it, but if you have to restore 10 TB of music from an archive because of this problem, you will get it.

    You do have your 10 TB backed up somewhere else?

    NAS is not backup, so might I suggest you use the old "3 copies with 1 off site" rule that professional backup administrators have used forever.

     

    There's an old saying in the industry.

    Q: What's the best way to backup a NAS?

    A: With another NAS

     

    To that end, I have my old NAS still functioning as a backup device for the main NAS.

     

    MY configuration.

     

    QNAP TVS-873

    24 GB RAM

    8x HGST Helium Enterprise Drives in RAID 10.

    2x Samsung 850 EVO M.2 SSD 500 GB drives in RAID 0.

     

    RAID 5 is never recommended since it only supports one drive failure. It is also slow.

    RAID 6 is better for redundancy, but as drives over 6TB are used, the time to rebuild a large array can take days, leaving you exposed to a secondary failure and loss of the array. It is also slow.

    RAID 10 is the fastest configuration (close to RAID 0 speeds) that gives redundancy, performance and minimizes array rebuild time.

    Yes, you are throwing away 50% of your drive capacity on mirroring, but that is a worthwhile thing to do.

    You shouldn't cheap out on storage.

     

    Using RAID 0 on the SSDs gives two benefits.

    1. You will get a performance boost.

    2. You double the size of the array.

    3. The QNAP OS can run on this volume (recommended) since it can be snapped and backed up to the main NAS for easy restore.

    4. All performant applications can also be run on the SSD volume, snapped and backed up to the main NAS (Roon Core etc).

     

    Now you need backup.

    As mentioned, I keep the old NAS around for this purpose.

    I also use Backblaze B2. https://www.backblaze.com

    This gives you s3 compatible storage for a fraction (1/4) of the cost of AWS/Azure and it worked seamlessly from QNAP.

     

    There ARE performance issues running Roon on QNAP.

    They are sporadic in nature and can sometimes leave everything unresponsive.

    You don't need to power cycle the NAS to fix them.

    I suspect the Roon application is buggy.

     

    I have fixed things by restarting the service for Roon in NAS and once a month running a database rebuild.

    That seems to keep things working nicely and my NAS still spinning.

     

    Hope this helps 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    7 minutes ago, EvilTed said:

    I have also worked as an Architect for all the major Enterprise Storage Companies, including NetApp, EMC and Dell, so storage is what I do.

    Very cool. I used to manage an EMC Symmetrix, with asynchronous mirroring around the world, among many other tasks. 

     

    8 minutes ago, EvilTed said:

    Rebooting a NAS daily is ridiculous.

    That is not how a NAS is designed to operate.

    I agree 100%. It's a solution that I can control while Roon and QNAP figure out what's going on. 

     

     

    9 minutes ago, EvilTed said:

    You also are not using Enterprise grade drives in your NAS.

    Enterprise grade drives have a much higher MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) rating than consumer grade drives and will happily stay spinning for years.

     

    Enterprise drives certainly have a longer warranty period. I remember reading that many of the drives in the consumer space, marketed as Enterprise, were nearly identical to the consumer grade drives. I have some consumer drives running in an old Synology for about 10 years. 

     

     

    12 minutes ago, EvilTed said:

    Running a NAS in RAID 0 is not a good idea.

     I'm glad you agree with what I said in the article. 

     

     

    12 minutes ago, EvilTed said:

    RAID 5 is never recommended since it only supports one drive failure. It is also slow.

    I disagree. If we were running a global enterprise that lost money during down time, I'd be onboard with you. However, we are running a static volume storing music. Speed isn't an issue either. 

     

    15 minutes ago, EvilTed said:

    I also use Backblaze B2

    What is the restore like for Backblaze B2? Is it limited to 500 GB zip files at a time and hard drive shipping to the end user? What does it cost?

     

     

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    17 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Hi Crom, yeah Roon’s db works best on Windows but I always have an issue when storing my music on a NAS. Because of the limitations of CIFS / network shares, Roon can’t update the database when new music is added without a scan. 

    I apologize if I'm missing something here.  I have been on lifetime roon for several yrs and have had my music stored on a Qnap NAS since day one. I run a headless win10 wkst running roon server/core and have never ever had to scan.  Anytime I modify music (add new, delete, modify metadata) on the music share (NAS), roon immediately recognizes the changes and updates accordingly? 

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    8 minutes ago, Foggie said:

    I apologize if I'm missing something here.  I have been on lifetime roon for several yrs and have had my music stored on a Qnap NAS since day one. I run a headless win10 wkst running roon server/core and have never ever had to scan.  Anytime I modify music (add new, delete, modify metadata) on the music share (NAS), roon immediately recognizes the changes and updates accordingly? 

    Hi Foggie, great to hear it's working for you. 

     

    I've used a Windows 10 + Synology system and a Roon ROCK + QNAP system and neither one would recognize new music quickly. I wish I could remember if the Synology was using SMBv3 and if that mattered with respect to newly added music discovery. 

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    21 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    I've used a Windows 10 + Synology system and a Roon ROCK + QNAP system and neither one would recognize new music quickly. I wish I could remember if the Synology was using SMBv3 and if that mattered with respect to newly added music discovery. 

     

    Chris, I run Roon on a Linux server, and mount music from a Synology NAS. I've never had Roon automatically detect new additions to the storage, but it's not a big deal for me. I just go to Settings > Storage and Force Rescan on the NAS folder. It's second nature, and completes in seconds. Granted, my library is "only" 25k tracks.

     

    Trying to understand if you're just describing a first world problem, or if this is a serious issue for you. 

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    1 minute ago, austinpop said:

    Trying to understand if you're just describing a first world problem, or if this is a serious issue for you. 

    Most definitely a first world problem, but one that can be avoided. The user just has to weight the pros and cons of going with a specific OS and storage model.

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    1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Most definitely a first world problem, but one that can be avoided. The user just has to weight the pros and cons of going with a specific OS and storage model.

     

    Ah OK — got it.

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    38 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Hi Foggie, great to hear it's working for you. 

     

    I've used a Windows 10 + Synology system and a Roon ROCK + QNAP system and neither one would recognize new music quickly. I wish I could remember if the Synology was using SMBv3 and if that mattered with respect to newly added music discovery. 

    That makes zero sense.  I can't recall of hearing this before, weird.  I mean there isn't even a lag, its pretty instant.  My server does have a mapped drive to music share on NAS - not that that is related to the roon setting, but just mentioning it.

     

    Not to state the obvious, but the share ACL's obviously need to be set properly R,W etc...  Maybe its your DB size, dunno.  Wish I had an answer as having to force a scan as well as the reboots you eluded to really go against the design intent of such a platform.

     

     

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    23 minutes ago, Foggie said:

    That makes zero sense.  I can't recall of hearing this before, weird.  I mean there isn't even a lag, its pretty instant.  My server does have a mapped drive to music share on NAS - not that that is related to the roon setting, but just mentioning it.

     

    Not to state the obvious, but the share ACL's obviously need to be set properly R,W etc...  Maybe its your DB size, dunno.  Wish I had an answer as having to force a scan as well as the reboots you eluded to really go against the design intent of such a platform.

     

     

    Here is a little bit from Roon about this:

     

    https://community.roonlabs.com/t/new-music-added-to-library-takes-roon-about-a-day-to-find-it/68101/6?

     

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    1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Most definitely a first world problem, but one that can be avoided. The user just has to weight the pros and cons of going with a specific OS and storage model.

    ???  I am running win10 on two different systems and both have QNAP NAS drives in them.  Roon always adds new content automatically.

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    13 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said:

    ???  I am running win10 on two different systems and both have QNAP NAS drives in them.  Roon always adds new content automatically.

     

    I'm not making it up. I've talked to the Roon guys about it as well. 

     

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    48 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said:

    ???  I am running win10 on two different systems and both have QNAP NAS drives in them.  Roon always adds new content automatically.

    Aren't we talking about Roon's inability to auto-scan/watch on QNAP vs on Windows?  Kal, it sounds like your Roon is Windows-based (as is mine).  Chris describes "watched folders" issue on QNAP-installed Roon, right?

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