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    Schiit Show and 2L's Groundbreaking Downloads

     

     

    Hello from sweltering Austin, Texas! Where, it's 100 degrees (F) and an audio roundup is about to take place. Joe Whip and I are here for the Schiit Texas Audio Roundup taking place this weekend, and look forward to both hearing everything and talking to fellow music lovers. No news to report just yet, but word on the street is that Emotiva has an Atmos setup here :~)

     

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    Speaking of Atmos, record label 2L is now offering the first of its kind downloads, 12 channel discreet DXD (24 bit / 352.8 kHz) WAV files of it's latest album Tuvayhun! Not only that, but every format possible is now available on the album's pre-order page (link). Check this out:

     

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    Let's walk through these formats. 

     

    • Hybrid SACD + Pure Audio Blu-ray is obviously the physical format the includes almost all of the others. 
    • MQA Stereo is the MQA 24 bit version of the album
    • DXD stereo is a two channel mix at 24 bit / 352.8 kHz
    • 24/96 surround sound 5.1 files are high resolution FLAC, playable in most applications
    • Auro-3D files (embedded in 5.1 FLAC) - These require an Auro 3D decoder. This is usually within one's processor, but it's also available as a software plugin (as seen here). The plugin extracts the 4 height channels from the 5.1 FLAC file for immersive playback. FLAC is limited to 8 channels without an encoding technique like Auro 3D's. 
    • Dolby Atmos in MP4 file is the lossy version encoded as Dolby Digital Plus, just like what Apple Music streams. 
    • Dolby Atmos TrueHD and Auro-3D in MKV file - This is where the rubber meets the road. An MKV file, named after the Matroska nesting dolls, is just a container for nearly multimedia file. Hence the Matroska name. Both TrueHD and Auro 3D need a decoder. If played via Blu-ray player, the MKV file shows both the Atmos and Auro options, and will be decoded just fine. The way I use MKV files, is to extract the lossless TrueHD Atmos MLP files for playback on my music server. Much more about this in future articles. Either way, these are lossless files that sound stellar. 
    • DXD discrete channels WAV 7.1.4 immersive - This is the holy grail of music playback. I have this version and can say that there's nothing like it on Earth. This consists of 12 channel WAV files for each track, at 24 bit / 352.8 kHz. No decoder required to play these files. As long as one has 12 channels for playback, or wants to downmix them into a different configuration, the WAV files will play. I play this through JRiver and Audirvana, Roon doesn't support these files yet. Below is a screenshot of what this looks like in Audacity :~)


    Offering all these options, including the 7.1.4 DXD WAV files is truly groundbreaking. Bert at The Spirit of Turtle started offering TrueHD Atmos yesterday, and others are on the way very soon. Cheers to Morten at 2L for breaking new ground and offering music in a previously unheard way. Bravo!

     

    EDIT: Morten from 2L reached out to say the site now has a 5.1 DXD FLAC offering available as well. Great stuff. 

     

    More from the Schiit Show, I mean Schiit Texas Audio Roundup, later :~)

     

     

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    tempting but I don't understand the pricing

     

    • I can buy the 2 discs (a hybrid SACD and a Blu-ray) that have everything except the 24/352.8 files for €24
    • it costs more (€28)  to download just  the MKV Atmos and Auro  files that you get on the discs along with a lot more
    • the 24/352.8 is a whopping €80

     

     

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    1 hour ago, bbosler said:

    tempting but I don't understand the pricing

     

    • I can buy the 2 discs (a hybrid SACD and a Blu-ray) that have everything except the 24/352.8 files for €24
    • it costs more (€28)  to download just  the MKV Atmos and Auro  files that you get on the discs along with a lot more
    • the 24/352.8 is a whopping €80

     

     

    The cool thing is, you have a choice. Understand it or not, pick the one you want :~)

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    Here's one businessman's possible explanation:

     

    There's a lot more labor to produce a version which will likely sell far fewer units than the other versions as not many people have 12 channel Atmos systems yet. 

     

    And, given the considerable price of entry, a lower album price likely won't change the number of prospective customers for now. 

     

    If you've invested in the hardware, you're more likely to buy the software. 

     

    Joel

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    I think we will see some interesting new stuff today!

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    • DXD discrete channels WAV 7.1.4 immersive - This is the holy grail of music playback. I have this version and can say that there's nothing like it on Earth. This consists of 12 channel WAV files for each track, at 24 bit / 352.8 kHz. No decoder required to play these files. As long as one has 12 channels for playback, or wants to downmix them into a different configuration, the WAV files will play. I play this through JRiver and Audirvana, Roon doesn't support these files yet. Below is a screenshot of what this looks like in Audacity :~)

     

    Fantastic, but only for Mac, right? No software atm for Win that can handle 8+ channels afaik...??

    Jriver, wake up..😉

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    1 hour ago, retro said:

     

    Fantastic, but only for Mac, right? No software atm for Win that can handle 8+ channels afaik...??

    Jriver, wake up..😉

    I use JRiver on Windows to play this. 

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    20 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    I use JRiver on Windows to play this. 

    And it plays all 12 channels..? Have they solved the 8+ ch limitation..??

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    2 minutes ago, retro said:

    And it plays all 12 channels..? Have they solved the 8+ ch limitation..??

    There is no such limitation now. I never knew there was one previously either. FLAC is limited to 8 channels, without special encoding like Auro, but WAV isn’t. 

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    4 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    There is no such limitation now. I never knew there was one previously either. FLAC is limited to 8 channels, without special encoding like Auro, but WAV isn’t.

    You're right of-course. It's only a problem with audio and video together in a MKV-container. Then 8+ ch won't work.

     I mixed things up. Again..😎

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    10 hours ago, retro said:

    Fantastic, but only for Mac, right? No software atm for Win that can handle 8+ channels afaik...??

    Jriver, wake up..😉

    Jriver can do 8+ channels with the proper hardware.  The channel selection drop-down lists formats up to 40 channels.  Why do you think it is restricted?

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    8 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    There is no such limitation now. I never knew there was one previously either. FLAC is limited to 8 channels, without special encoding like Auro, but WAV isn’t. 

    I have 40 channel files in WAV and in DSF, fwiw.

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    39 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said:

    Jriver can do 8+ channels with the proper hardware.  The channel selection drop-down lists formats up to 40 channels.  Why do you think it is restricted?

    It actually is. Not for audio-only files, the play fine. But a mkv-container with both video and 8+ ch audio will not play and gives an error message. @El Guapomade a couple of Atmos decoded 12ch mkv's which I posted links to on JRivers forum. They do not play under Win, but work on Mac and Linux. Hendrik is aware of the problem, so it's likely a LAV-decoder issue. Didn't seem to put it on top of his list though.. 

     

    Check these threads on Interact. Feel free to bump them to get Hendrik's attention.

     

    https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,132607.0.html

    https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,132865.0.html

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    14 hours ago, retro said:

    It actually is. Not for audio-only files, the play fine.

    OK but that proviso was not in the statement to which I responded.

    Thank you for revealing that distinction and providing the links.

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    I agree. Sounded great. So did the Bifrost2/64. If get into headphones one day, I will get that DAC and the Lyr 3 which can be used without a toob. The Folkvanger gets pretty hot.

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    Sorry, Lyr +

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    I always bought the disks from 2L, ripped it an enjoyed access to all those formats.
    It always baffled me, that a download (of all the same files as on the disk(s) ) would cost vastly more.

    I just buy a stack of disks at a time and rip and save the entire ISO as well as the file formats interesting to me atm.


    Oh, and go to 2L shop

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