Bill Brown Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 27 minutes ago, Priaptor said: My mother knew Louis Armstrong. I only found out about this after she died. My mother worked as a bookkeeper at some of NYs Jazz spots and ultimately the Copa. Unbeknownst to me, he was partially raised by a Jewish guy in NO who spoke Yiddish and became fluent in Yiddish and would speak to my mother in Yiddish. Unfortunately my mother has passed and there is only one cousin I have that has an information on my mom's crazy past and her Jazz love which I never knew. And the reason he wore, I believe, a star of David pendant his whole life. Bill Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 ECT can actually be remarkably effective, especially for schizophrenia with catatonia or severe major depression. I had an attending, cool old dude, who told us that should he develop severe MD that he wanted ECT rather than meds. He referred it (analogously to cardiac "shocking" or cardioversion) as "cerebroversion." :). We used to administer it to patients in the county hospital (I did it as a medical student! Ahhh...the good old days). I wonder if some of the horror stories (and subsequent lay people negative perception) is from the persistent disorganized thinking that is one of the hallmarks of schizophrenia. Also, in the old days it was done bilaterally (both brain hemispheres) and is now done unilaterally, this perhaps mitigating some of the downsides. Just some thoughts for consideration. :) Bill Bill Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 10 hours ago, RHSims said: Coltrane should never have played soprano sax I know this isn't necessarily your position, but oh my, that would have been a huge loss to me. Bill Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 22 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said: Roky Erickson of the 13th Floor Elevators was sentenced to a mental hospital for drug possession. There, he received quite a bit of ElectroConvulsive Therapy, and a lot of Thorazine. It destroyed his mind. Just watch the documentary You're Gonna Miss Me if you're curious to see the results of ECT. I think the only people advocating ECT are ones that have never received it. I don't want to be argumentative, and it may be too far off topic, but I note that from a scientific perspective you are citing anecdotes and these can be strongly affected by mistaking/erroneously ascribing a relationship between cause and effect. And I have seen many patients who have undergone ECT and think it was very valuable, so I don't think your last statement is accurate. Not to mention young catatonic schizophrenics I have seen whose only activity was wiping their feces on the wall who "woke up" and did well, truly disease changing. Bill AudioDoctor 1 Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Allan F said: An insightful reply with substance. 😊 And wrong. Though of course it is fine if he feels that way. :) Bill Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, kumakuma said: I find John Coltrane way, way overrated. 50 minutes ago, Allan F said: Technically, it's not "wrong", as Davis simply provided advice to address the reason that Coltrane offered. 😊 I was responding to the first. The second is definitely a true story! :) Bill Allan F 1 Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Popular Post Bill Brown Posted March 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2021 When Miles was on heroin approx. 1949-1954 he did bad things, including pimping. Later assaulted wives. I separate the art from the person. I suspect we would be shocked by lots of artists' behaviors if we were able to dig into the details.. I was going to make clear that any comments in this thread (was able to resist early on) from me were related to musical issues only. Bill Priaptor and audiobomber 1 1 Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said: Like I said, those advocating the treatment have never received it... You need to read more closely. As I wrote, I know people who have had it that DO advocate it: "And I have seen many patients who have undergone ECT and think it was very valuable" Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Popular Post Bill Brown Posted March 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2021 I don't mean to quantify "sins" and I love Miles' music (and agree he is more important, certainly to me) but I am not sure that a stance on COVID rises to the level of spousal abuse or the sexual abuse of minors. I am ridiculously involved with COVID in my work, and have strict guidelines in place to protect our patients, but there is certainly room for nuance (based on the science) in how we could have/should have approached it in the community. I probably wouldn't have approached it exactly the way we did. Here I am again discussing non-musical stuff :) There are artists that I like/respect and others that I love/can't imagine I could live without/"knock me out." Examples include: EC v Duane Allman, Buddy Guy (have never heard him play a cliche' in his life!!), Muddy Waters, RJ, SRV, etc. etc. Sonny Rollins v Coltrane, Charlie Parker King Oliver v Louis Armstrong Mozart v Ravel Sly Stone v James Brown Peter Tosh v Bob Marley Soundgarden v Nirvana and Alice in Chains etc. EC never "knocked me out," though I listen to his music and enjoy him and think he is a gifted musician. A couple of months ago my son showed me this. He and I talk a lot about artists who are "all in," every time they play- SRV is a classic example. It was the first time EC "knocked me out." Love his solo. There is a beginning, an arc, and a finish (see Duane Allman). Someone mentioned very early the appropriation of Bob Marley. I think it is fine and has a long tradition in music (and suspect Bob Marley would like it too). If you don't like EC's part you can still groove to Nathan East and Steve Gadd :). And it sounds pretty good on the big system! : Bill 57gold and Allan F 2 Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Popular Post Bill Brown Posted March 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Allan F said: I love the cut early on to Ronnie Wood grooving on the music. Great pick-up! I was going to point out how "even his peers were enjoying it" but didn't want to push my luck with the tough crowd. :) Bill Iving, lucretius and Allan F 2 1 Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Knowing you a bit, I suspect you have some chops, but if God was to reach down and bless me with his I don't think I would complain.... Bill Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Popular Post Bill Brown Posted March 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, charlesphoto said: it's a conundrum for sure, and I'm playing a bit more than devil's advocate, in large part due to the tragedies I've seen befalling people due to COVID, both personally and on a large scale. Perhaps a better way to put what Clapton/Morrison did was 'tone deaf' vs criminal. I like this one. Yes, it has affected so many. My wife is a hospitalist. Early in the epidemic they had the highest per-capita rate in the state (so much that the CDC visited trying to figure out what was going on- they did). She and her partners have had many, many deaths, including both parents of one of their clerks. As to the physicians (not discounting patients and families), it has taken a very heavy toll on them. Typical tough guys breaking down, etc. I tried to figure out why- we were in medical school together when the number of deaths from AIDS was at its peak (no effective treatments at the time, we just tried to identify opportunistic infections and treat them as best we could, though the outcome was always the same). Our whole county hospital medical ICU was patients dying of AIDS. I have learned that part of it is watching patients die alone. Part of it is the fear the patients have in their eyes when their oxygen levels fall. Part of it the unpredictability (they have lost many young without the obvious risk factors). I'll include something musical. I remember being "knocked out" in medical school when I heard Nevermind on the radio. When I saw your pictures I was also "knocked out." Fantastic. What a life experience to have been present for all of that and your art is wonderful. I must confess that I haven't listened yet, but expect that when I do they will be brought to life for me. I have a collection of prints by Herman Leonard, thankfully from before Hurricane Katrina flooded his studio and before he died. I am not a big possessions guy (try not to be anyway), but to have photos printed, signed, and numbered by the man himself (who was there!) of Charlie Parker, Holiday, Ellington, Sinatra, etc. brings me great joy. Your work would be a nice addition...may need to prod the wife :) Bill The Computer Audiophile, DuckToller, Allan F and 2 others 4 1 Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Popular Post Bill Brown Posted March 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, charlesphoto said: Herman Leonard's work, amazing use of light And cigarette smoke I guess :). And yes re. my wife, but she is a trooper, hardest worker I have ever known (I always say can outwork me two times over). The light at the end of the tunnel comment is a good one. When I was trying to convince staff to be vaccinated I described it as the only way I could see any of that light, any way through it (including all the infection control/PPE stuff we are going through in hospitals). I am thankful to have gotten the shot (and also told them that after my elderly parents and I got it that I was going for a visit!). Best wishes, Bill AudioDoctor and charlesphoto 2 Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Wow @charlesphoto, you nailed that one. And the cigarette smoke. I didn't notice it/the hand at first, but once I did it capped it off. Bravo. It is such a "sophisticated" (or something!) hand (she is not quite as close to needing to reapply her nail-polish as I suspect many women in the crowd were :) ), and I actually find it fairly pretty (and wonder about who it is attached to...). In his worn Converse's he certainly looks less sophisticated. The juxtaposition is striking. That hand belongs in one of my Herman Leonard's! Hell, forgive me if my observations suck. I am comfortable talking about musical art but apprehensive with the visual, especially with the artist! Bill Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Great post @bluesman. I consider it authoritative, perhaps definitive on this topic. Thread over after bluesman enters late then drops the mic! :) I can hear Robert Cray's compositional style in "Old Love." Great tune. I really like the version on Unplugged as well. Like him, love him, or not, I believe his music commands respect Bill Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Re. TVBO my gut feeling is not to include things re. artist behavior. I'd prefer it to be simply about the music/art. I suspect many of us know the backstories, could research it if we don't, and as you alluded to, there is much we don't know about many others. All of us have our failings (not excusing the egregious ones, of course). Bill Josh Mound 1 Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said: It wasn't clear to me that you have undergone ECT and are advocating it. My apologies. Huh?? Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
Bill Brown Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Allan F said: I guess he just "needs to read more closely". 😊 Yes, I suppose so. I was a little perplexed by the response, truthfully. Thanks, Bill Labels assigned by CA members: "Cogley's ML sock-puppet," "weaponizer of psychology," "ethically-challenged," "professionally dubious," "machismo," "lover of old westerns," "shill," "expert on ducks and imposters," "Janitor in Chief," "expert in Karate," "ML fanboi or employee," "Alabama Trump supporter with an NRA decal on the windshield of his car," sycophant Link to comment
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