LUMIN - Audiophile Network Music Player

[gbr]

When browsing by folder the order of the tracks is defined by the UPNP server, if I am not wrong. So I think you have to check the server's setting.

 

The other browsing categories in the lumin app are handled purely by the app itself after it did read all the UPNP data from the server.

[stefano_mbp]

9 minutes ago, gbr said:

UPNP server,

… according to @al210signature he isn’t using any mediaserver … 

[wklie]

On 9/25/2022 at 8:26 AM, al210 said:

Not sure why my album tracks are showing out of order in the Lumin app when I browse by folder?

 

Please try fixing the track numbers using Mp3tag software for this album.

 

If that doesn't work, please use MinimServer (which is always recommended anyway).

[al210]

On 9/26/2022 at 4:44 AM, wklie said:

 

Please try fixing the track numbers using Mp3tag software for this album.

 

If that doesn't work, please use MinimServer (which is always recommended anyway).

 

On 9/26/2022 at 3:46 AM, stefano_mbp said:

… according to @al210signature he isn’t using any mediaserver … 

I guess the problem is my server. I have a Western Digital PR4100 NAS and it only offers Twonkey server.

mp3 tag software shows the correct order so it’s something with Twonkey. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

I have the T3 and AMP in for review and just noticed something that seems strange. In the Lumin app, whenever I change a setting, the settings window closes. This is really a drag when making more than one change. Here's a video of the behavior. 

 

 

 

[stefano_mbp]

17 hours ago, al210 said:

have a Western Digital PR4100 NAS and it only offers Twonkey server.

… I don’t know anything about Twonky, I’m using Minimserver … 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Love these resampling options in the app. Very cool. 

 

 

[wklie]

14 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I have the T3 and AMP in for review and just noticed something that seems strange. In the Lumin app, whenever I change a setting, the settings window closes.

 

To workaround this issue, please add a track using Lumin app so that the playlist is not empty.  We're investigating why it behaves like this when the playlist is empty.

 

Thanks for taking the time to review Lumin products.

 

Since the time you reviewed the X1, we have added the following features to our lineup:

 

- Leedh Processing Volume.  When using analog output, Leedh processing is a Lumin enhanced proprietary implementation that takes advantage of our specialized hardware and the way we use ESS chips.  Also, it works for all sources including Lumin app, Tidal app, Spotify app, Roon, AirPlay, etc.  If you turn Leedh Processing Volume off but keep Volume Control On, (on P1 / T3 / T2) ES9028PRO on-chip 32-bit volume is used for analog output - so you can do an A/B comparison of the two volume control technologies if you want to.

 

- In case you want to test Leedh Processing Volume output via USB (up to 32-bit depending on DAC) or SPDIF (24-bit) output to another DAC, please note that DSD output to external DAC is available only if Volume Control is turned Off.  ( I'm not sure if you are supplied with the (separately purchased) Lumin physical IR remote control package - if you need an additional USB port you may use an Amazon basics USB hub. )

 

- FLAC Radio in form of default radio stations.  You can now listen to Radio Paradise in its full lossless glory, without any setup necessary on Lumin.

 

- Tidal Connect (allows the use of Tidal app instead of Lumin app to stream Tidal to Lumin hardware).  Tidal Connect, along with Spotify Connect, AirPlay ("Lumin Streaming") and Roon Ready can be turned off in settings if these are not used.

 

- Analog output balance setting (for X1 P1 T3 T2 S1).

 

- Max volume % setting, which helps protect speakers especially for Lumin volume control users who bypass the preamp, or use the preamp in HT Bypass mode.

 

- Qobuz My Weekly Q in Lumin app - although this looks like a minor feature, we have our firmware re-certified again by Qobuz to make sure this function gives a meaningful result for users

 

- Roon Only mode that some users found to improve SQ in Roon playback, but it removes any other kind of access via Lumin app / Tidal app / Spotify app / AirPlay until you do a factory reset.  For details please see https://community.roonlabs.com/t/lumin-roon-only-mode/202753

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Is it possible to show the explicit lyrics indicator in the LUMIN app? Without this, I have to listen to an album first, in order to know this. It’s incredibly inefficient. For example, which of these first two albums has explicit lyrics? 
 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Is there a way to sort these albums? What’s the default sorting method?
 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Two questions. 

1. How do I get the white bar at the bottom to reappear after a few seconds? It has Information not available elsewhere. 
2. How can I display the information at the bottom, without the horizontal scroll bar covering it up?

 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

This glitch has happened to me twice in the last 30 minutes. 
 

I’m on this screen:

 

 

 

 

Then, all of a sudden, it switches to this screen. The only way to get back is to retype my search criteria and navigate my way. 

[gbr]

On 9/30/2022 at 5:54 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

Is it possible to show the explicit lyrics indicator in the LUMIN app? Without this, I have to listen to an album first, in order to know this. It’s incredibly inefficient. For example, which of these first two albums has explicit lyrics? 
 

I do not know such an explicit marker. But at least in the qobuz app the albums are presented exactly the same as in the lumin app. You cannot distinguish them.

[gbr]

On 9/30/2022 at 6:10 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

Is there a way to sort these albums? What’s the default sorting method?
 

If there was an option to set up the order it would be placed on the right side of the back arrow icon. You can see it in the favorite album list.

But in this artist view you cannot change the order. I think the order is given by qobuz. You could compare with the qobuz app. In my understanding the order is for importance. So probably the most played or bought albums first?

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, gbr said:

If there was an option to set up the order it would be placed on the right side of the back arrow icon. You can see it in the favorite album list.

But in this artist view you cannot change the order. I think the order is given by qobuz. You could compare with the qobuz app. In my understanding the order is for importance. So probably the most played or bought albums first?

Qobuz enables sorting. 
 

[gbr]

On 9/30/2022 at 6:21 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

Two questions. 

1. How do I get the white bar at the bottom to reappear after a few seconds? It has Information not available elsewhere. 
2. How can I display the information at the bottom, without the horizontal scroll bar covering it up?

 

 

I think you cannot get the white stripe back. But which information do you mean that otherwise is missing? Some info is displayed when long pressing the album cover above the playlist. Or IIRC on long pressing any track in the playlist.

[gbr]

On 9/30/2022 at 6:28 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

This glitch has happened to me twice in the last 30 minutes. 
 

I’m on this screen:

 

 

 

 

Then, all of a sudden, it switches to this screen. The only way to get back is to retype my search criteria and navigate my way. 

Yes this glitch is super annoying. This happens for me, too, quite often (with U1 mini)

I would like to know why the app thinks it has to do a refresh? And why it cannot reconstruct the exact same navigation and scroll position?

 

Unfortunately this is not the only glitch...

[The Computer Audiophile]

6 minutes ago, gbr said:

I think you cannot get the white stripe back. But which information do you mean that otherwise is missing? Some info is displayed when long pressing the album cover above the playlist. Or IIRC on long pressing any track in the playlist.

When upsampling to DSD, it appears the rate is shown here. I don’t see it anywhere else. 

[FIndingit]

Search history would be a nice addition to the Lumin app. Maybe five last ones.

 

I know the history is usually visible in the rectangular button, but not always.

[gbr]

16 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

When upsampling to DSD, it appears the rate is shown here. I don’t see it anywhere else. 

I don't have any DSD tracks so I am not sure how the info what look like. But on your screen shot there are some DSD to PCM info displayed on the right side of the album cover above the playlist. Probably not enough?

[Roy Boy]

I currently have and A1 with a Kenneth Lau LPS. I am using Leedh to connect directly to my Coda No.8 amp driving my Green Mountain C-3 HX speakers. I have been very happy with this combo seeing performance increases with experimenting with cables ( Duelind silver DIY interconnect , Core power Defiant Diamond power cable) and iso acoustic footers on IKEA bamboo cutting boards. I have been ripping my vinyl to 24/352 wav as some of my highest res files. So there is emerging more DSD256 content, while it is relatively small, I cannot play this on the A1.

   If I were to think about upgrading wondering if I need to go all the way to an x1 to see a significant improvement?, I have always suspected that the use of the Lundahl transformers to be a contributing factor to the A1 performance. The T2/T3 does not have it. I would appreciate any insights. Thanks

[wklie]

@The Computer Audiophile

 

- Setting window closing when not playing / playlist is empty on iOS: We have identified the cause of it and is currently fixing it and will release a fix ASAP.  Our Android app should not have this bug.

 

- Explicit lyrics indicator: We will add this in a future update

 

- Qobuz sorting: We have our own sorting implemented for favorites.  For non-favorites, they show up as Qobuz server response order.  I'll recheck whether there's Qobuz API support (although quite unlikely) or whether it's possible to add our own sorting - but that has the tendency to slow things down seriously so I cannot promise it at this point.  Both Qobuz app and Tidal app do their own things and there are many functional aspects not available as API to third party.

 

- The full screen album art view is designed to show textual metadata information only for a few seconds then disappears.  It was designed to behave like this 10 years ago.  Two months ago I talked to our product manager, he's not interested in changing it.  I'll talk to him again.

 

- The "white bar" you see at the bottom looks like the iOS home indicator.  We will adjust the iOS layout in a future update so that the text is not covered by the iOS home indicator.  I guess most of the Android devices probably should not have this same issue.

 

- Qobuz browsing jumping to top-level: We are investigating this glitch and prioritized it.  We already have found one possible cause, is currently fixing it and will release a fix ASAP.  Our Android app should not have this behavior for the same type of cause.

[steveoat]

1 hour ago, wklie said:

@The Computer Audiophile

 

- Setting window closing when not playing / playlist is empty on iOS: We have identified the cause of it and is currently fixing it and will release a fix ASAP.  Our Android app should not have this bug.

 

- Explicit lyrics indicator: We will add this in a future update

 

- Qobuz sorting: We have our own sorting implemented for favorites.  For non-favorites, they show up as Qobuz server response order.  I'll recheck whether there's Qobuz API support (although quite unlikely) or whether it's possible to add our own sorting - but that has the tendency to slow things down seriously so I cannot promise it at this point.  Both Qobuz app and Tidal app do their own things and there are many functional aspects not available as API to third party.

 

- The full screen album art view is designed to show textual metadata information only for a few seconds then disappears.  It was designed to behave like this 10 years ago.  Two months ago I talked to our product manager, he's not interested in changing it.  I'll talk to him again.

 

- The "white bar" you see at the bottom looks like the iOS home indicator.  We will adjust the iOS layout in a future update so that the text is not covered by the iOS home indicator.  I guess most of the Android devices probably should not have this same issue.

 

- Qobuz browsing jumping to top-level: We are investigating this glitch and prioritized it.  We already have found one possible cause, is currently fixing it and will release a fix ASAP.  Our Android app should not have this behavior for the same type of cause.

To me the full screen album art view is a very important feature.  I use a M1 mac mini to display the lumin information and go crazy when the full screen disappears.  On my aurender, the full screen view stays on indefinitely.  And I would request that the full screen view show as much information about the song/album as possible.  Would also like to display back cover art.

[wklie]

1 hour ago, steveoat said:

To me the full screen album art view is a very important feature.  I use a M1 mac mini to display the lumin information and go crazy when the full screen disappears.  On my aurender, the full screen view stays on indefinitely.

 

The album art is expected to show indefinitely unless you tap it (only the text should disappear).  We used this feature for our audio exhibition all day.  I can confirm it stays in our iPad in our use case.  The iPad is placed on top of a demo Lumin and is normally untouched all day.

[steveoat]

1 hour ago, wklie said:

 

The album art is expected to show indefinitely unless you tap it (only the text should disappear).  We used this feature for our audio exhibition all day.  I can confirm it stays in our iPad in our use case.  The iPad is placed on top of a demo Lumin and is normally untouched all day.

Peter. Is it possible that the text can also stay?