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When a product upgrade is released, I often don't read the marketing materials or even seek to find the differences between the versions. I also do my best to avoid conversations about the upgrade with friends. This is the only way I can objectively evaluate the upgraded component without outside influence. While the term upgrade in and of itself should equate to a raising of the bar, I always consider upgrades to be changes, neither good nor bad, until proven otherwise. 



     

    In addition to my desire to remain objective, I have zero interest in knowing about the parts used in an upgrade. I've been down that road, driven off the cliff, and wasted a lot of time and energy focusing on items that brought me no closer to determining the worthiness of a product as a whole. Compare all the different converter chips and custom conversion techniques with the objective and subjective evaluations of different digital to analog converters. The results are all over the board. In my experience, the single factor that matters most is the human factor. 

     

    

I'd much rather have photos from Ansel Adams, shot with a disposable Kodak and developed by him in his darkroom, than a pretty good photographer using a Hasselblad X2D 100C with seven soft stops of in-camera image stabilization. People, experience, and creativity matter most, in all pursuits, whether they are photographic or otherwise.




     

     

    A Box of Apex Chocolates



     

    Today is Valentine's Day, and I'm sitting in my listening chair to conduct a final evaluation of the dCS Rossini Apex DAC. There is no better way to start this listening session than with Boz Scaggs' version of My Funny Valentine. The track was recorded by Chris Tabarez and only included as a bonus track on the Japanese release of the 2003 album But Beautiful. If you know this one, then you know. If you haven't heard it, you can thank me later. 



     

    AS RDP_Gallery_02.jpgWow. Right from the initial hammer strike, this track sounds better than I've ever heard. Period, end of story. I can hear the piano as if it's an 88-key color palette being worked over by a master musician. This track is by no means a demonstration of piano prowess, rather it's an absolutely beautiful, reserved example of serving the song with sounds that tell a story and have an emotional impact on the listener. 



     

    When Scaggs' voice comes into the track at 0:20 it's game, set, match. I've never heard this vocal sound so realistic, as if he is standing between my Wilson Audio Alexia V loudspeakers. I've heard this track countless times at trade shows, in the listening rooms of friends, and in my own system with many other DACs. Through the Rossini Apex, I can hear Scaggs' vocal as if it hasn't gone through a microphone, A to D, post processing, and D to A conversion. There is an unprocessed sound to this presentation that's truly stunning. 

     

    

I can clearly hear the beautifully differentiated tones in Boz Scaggs' voice when he alternates between phrases that emanate from his throat to those that are worked up from deep within his chest cavity.  Everything from the delicate upper registers of his voice singing "Stay little Valentine stay" to the deeper baritone delivery of "Each day is Valentine's Day," is reproduced through the Apex with a clarity, vibrance, and texture that paints a sonic picture like no other DAC I've had in my system. 

     

    

It goes without saying that great recordings must sound great on a high-end system. Like everyone else, I only listen to Patricia Barber or other recordings of similar quality. Only joking. Most of my music collection sounds like it was created by musicians focused on creating art with passion, emotion, and vulnerability rather than the Steely Dan-style revolving door of session musicians who either get it right or hit the bricks. 



     

    An album I just discovered 30 years after it was released is Bill LaBounty's self-titled album featuring some of the most talented musicians of the time. Jeff Porcaro, Steve Gadd, Jennifer Warnes, Steve Lukather, David Sanborn, and James Taylor among many others. The talent on this album reminded me of Bill Schnee's record label Bravura Records, which used the slogan, Real Talent in Real Time. I reached out to Bill to see if he'd heard the album and to express my surprise that nobody ever talks about this album. Bill hadn't heard it either but said it sounded like a Russ Titelman production, based on the musicians. It turns out, Bill was right. Titelman produced the album. 



     

    Anyway, the album is loaded with talent and great music that sounds really good, but not crazy audiophile quality. This is a yacht rock hidden classic, if there is such a thing. On the opening track Bill LaBounty's Rhodes piano evokes an emotion that suits the song so well and creates a nice counterbalance to Ian Underwood's synthesizer. The stars of this track though, are LaBounty's vocal performance and David Sanborn on the Alto Saxophone. The classic 1982 sound, when heard through the Rossini Apex, is as good as it gets. Not perfect, but also not editorialized with something added. Through the Rossini Apex, LaBounty and Sanborn transport the listener to the desk of a boat floating off the coast, where the sun is shining, beverages are flowing, and good times are had by all. 

     

    

Isn't that what this is all about? How can we listen to our favorite music, and make it sound as good as possible, without adding or subtracting anything. The Rossini Apex is the vehicle for such a pursuit. From James Taylor's beautiful backing harmony on Didn't Want to Say Goodbye, to Taylor and Warnes harmonizing on Never Gonna Look Back, this album played through the Rossini Apex somehow transports me to a time and place that is absolutely unfamiliar to me, but a place that's incredibly vivid in my mind. The music sounds so human and real that I somehow identify with it, yet I feel like it shouldn't be this engaging. However, I'm happy to accept the reality that the Rossini Apex is the one item in my system that's changed, and it has brought my system to the highest level it has ever been. Of course, my favorite music is going to sound better than ever.



     

    I'm not a classical music aficionado by any stretch of the imagination, but my appreciation for it grows every year. While I work to understand the more "inside baseball" aspects of it, I still enjoy the heck out of the music on its own. Case in point Dmitri Shostakovich: Symphonies 1, 14 & 15 from Andris Nelsons and the Boston Symphony on Deutsche Gramophone (2021). Whoa, this entire performance is a stunner in all aspects, musicianship, musical content, sound quality, and emotion. 



     

    AS .jpgThe performance opens with Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op. 10, an emotional rollercoaster that gives the entire symphony and my audio system a thorough workout. Through the Rossini Apex, I heard clarity, separation, spatial cues separating all the musicians and at the same time coming together to reproduce a whole that bests the sum of the parts by a wide margin. In photography terms, I could listen to each musician and pixel-peep, but music isn't about that style of listening for me. I want the entire performance presented to me with individual instruments clearly identifiable on the soundstage, but the whole that blows me over, Maxell cassette style. 



     

    At 5:50 into Allegretto - Allegro non troppo, the Rossini Apex delivers a Mike Tyson level punch and the delicacy of a Butterfly landing with sore feet. This DAC somehow manages to deliver the best reproduction I've ever heard of a huge bombastic crescendo along with simultaneously reproducing the tiny triangle being tapped way back on the symphony stage. It's all audible, and it all sounds like I'm sitting at the symphony. 

     

    

In addition to the top and bottom ends of the frequency spectrum, the Rossini Apex reproduces the string section of this piece with the lush texture of a horsehair bow full of rosin, in the hands of the best players in the world, on a level that's second to none. For example, from the start of Allegro (track 2), the rich, organic texture of the string section is front and center, and sounds oh-so-elegant. From the violas and cellos on the right to the violins on the left, the sounds bouncing back and forth, and at times in concert with each other, the Rossini Apex delivers the goods better than not only its peers but also better than previous versions of the dCS flagship Vivaldi. Yes, the Rossini Apex is better than the pre-Apex Vivaldi. I had the original Vivaldi here many years ago and have heard the Vivaldi countless times over the years. I love Vivaldi, I've always wanted one, but now I feel like I have something better than that which I dreamt about only a few short years ago. 



     

    Given what I've heard with the Rossini Apex, I can only imagine, for now, what the Vivaldi Apex sounds like in a controlled environment, paired with some commensurate components and speakers. 

     

     

    Technically 

     

    

I used the Rossini Apex with a number of sources, testing several of its digital inputs. JPLAY for iOS directing files from MinimServer to the Rossini's Ethernet interface was a great combination that combined a great app with great sound. My Aurender N20, which I believe is the sweet spot in the lineup, is a terrific match for the Rossini on its own or with an external clock because of its word clock input. My favorite sonic combination during this review period was Audirvana on my MacBook Pro, outputting via Ravenna to my Merging Technologies HAPI Mk2, then to the Rossini Apex via AES/EBU. It delivered a sound that was purely magical enough to engage me for the entire 2 hour and 38 minute Boston Symphony Shostakovich performance, not once, but twice, start to finish. I realize the biggest question is, how do I have that much time on my hands, but when something is this good, I make time to enjoy it and live in the moment, forgetting the incoming emails, text messages, and phone calls. Life is good, if you make it that way.




     

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    Conclusion



     

    The dCS Rossini Apex is, as its name indicates, the peak. It's unequivocally the best Rossini ever made and in my opinion it's better than the pre-Apex Vivaldi. Comparing the Rossini Apex to other DACs or previous versions of Rossini is like comparing a Van Gogh painting to a photograph of the same painting. In person the real painting shows Van Gogh's impasto technique, with use of thick paint to sometimes create flowing undulations and at other times jagged edges that rise and fall like tiny peaks. A photograph, or a lesser DAC, doesn't do the art justice. 



     

    The Rossini Apex enables listeners to see into recordings or to pull back and let the recording as a whole come to them, hearing it better than ever and experiencing music in a way not previously possible through other components. I was thrilled with all types of music from my favorite Japanese jazz (Three Blind Mice record label), to yacht rock, to a 2.5 hour performance of Shostakovich by the Boston Symphony. The Rossini Apex enabled me to sit in my listening chair and block out the world, while it brought the music to me on a silver platter. 



     

    The Rossini Apex is on another level. Period. End of story. 

     

     

     

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    Great review, as always, Chris, but this one feels different, like you've found a miraculous match with your system, a new reason to go back and re-evaluate your library.  It's amazing when that happens, and hopefully the great musical magic doesn't dissipate.  Nice!

     

    Question:  Are you saying, in your system, that the dac's  AES/EBU is the better interface, or is the HAPI doing more than that in the chain?

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    11 minutes ago, ted_b said:

    Great review, as always, Chris, but this one feels different, like you've found a miraculous match with your system, a new reason to go back and re-evaluate your library.  It's amazing when that happens, and hopefully the great musical magic doesn't dissipate.  Nice!

     

    Question:  Are you saying, in your system, that the dac's  AES/EBU is the better interface, or is the HAPI doing more than that in the chain?

    Hi Ted, yes, this really is something. The Apex made stereo fun again :~)

     

    I can't wait to get the Rossini clock. 

     

    It's really tough to say if one item is key or the combination of items is key. I think the AES interface is best on the Rossini and I think the HAPI Mk2 delivers incredible performance via its AES outputs. Ravenna from my MacBook Pro to the HAPI to AES to Rossini is fantastic, and it's a side benefit of my immersive system. I didn't plan on even using the AES output. Turns out it's a great D to D converter as well!

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    Chris, Thanks for the great review. In your reviews you often mention transients being essential for your enjoyment - particularly the EMM DV2 was a recent standout. Do you have any comments on transients and timing with the Rossini Apex? I've seen a number of people recently compare the Linn DSM Organik with the Rossini Apex and they felt the Linn had slightly quicker transients, more along the line of the Chord Dave. One final question did you use the standard default mappings and settings? I read a review in HiFi Critic (RIP) and Martin felt that some of those settings adjustments could affect the timing/transients. I know this is highly subjective but I'd be interested in your opinions - especially as you've lived with the DV2 for so long and recently reviewed the Linn. 

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    Super to read a review of a mainstream product (I think it's been a while), and doubly fun that it's a rave of an amazing DAC.

     

    But did you diss Steely Dan for using session musicians?  And then name check "some of the most talented musicians of all time" Porcaro (Katy Lied), Gadd (Aja), and Sanborn (Gaucho), just two sentences later? 😉

     

    Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to check out your FOD (Friend Of The Dan) Boz Scaggs recommendation...

     

    Rock on!

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"When a product upgrade is released, I often don't read the marketing materials or even seek to find the differences between the versions. I also do my best to avoid conversations about the upgrade with friends. This is the only way I can objectively evaluate the upgraded component without outside influence."

     

    Eye to eye, brother.....

     

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    15 hours ago, dsyzling said:

    Chris, Thanks for the great review. In your reviews you often mention transients being essential for your enjoyment - particularly the EMM DV2 was a recent standout. Do you have any comments on transients and timing with the Rossini Apex? I've seen a number of people recently compare the Linn DSM Organik with the Rossini Apex and they felt the Linn had slightly quicker transients, more along the line of the Chord Dave. One final question did you use the standard default mappings and settings? I read a review in HiFi Critic (RIP) and Martin felt that some of those settings adjustments could affect the timing/transients. I know this is highly subjective but I'd be interested in your opinions - especially as you've lived with the DV2 for so long and recently reviewed the Linn. 

     

    hi @dsyzling thanks for the kind words, and for reading so thoroughly! 

     

    Yes, transients are hugely important to me. Without top notch transients, music isn't realistic to me. the Apex offers terrific transients, but in a way that makes the listening not even notice. It's similar to what I mentioned in the review about pixel peeping. if I focus on the transients, they are terrific of course, but with the Apex my focus was drawn to the performance as a whole much more so than individual pieces. it's like nothing stands out with the Apex because everything stands out. 

     

    Comparing dCS DACs to other DACs must be done very carefully. I've seen unscrupulous comparisons where the settings of the dCS were perhaps set for one thing, and the person running the comparison directed one's attention to another thing. For example, a specific filter may be best for classical music with great transients, but the filter chosen for the comparison, was not ideal for this scenario. Most people of course aren't nefarious, but just don't know what they don't know. 

     

    I used the Mapper 3 exclusively. I've used all of them over the years, and believe each new mapper has made very nice improvements to the sound. Martin was absolutely correct about these settings affecting transients and everything else. In fact, that's what they are for and why there are different settings. If they didn't matter, there wouldn't be a need for them :~)

     

    As you say, it's all subjective and dependent on one's musical taste and the rest of the audio system and room. Let's not forget the room is a huge instrument that "makes" the most sound.

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    13 hours ago, PeterG said:

    Super to read a review of a mainstream product (I think it's been a while), and doubly fun that it's a rave of an amazing DAC.

     

    But did you diss Steely Dan for using session musicians?  And then name check "some of the most talented musicians of all time" Porcaro (Katy Lied), Gadd (Aja), and Sanborn (Gaucho), just two sentences later? 😉

     

    Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to check out your FOD (Friend Of The Dan) Boz Scaggs recommendation...

     

    Rock on!

     

    Hi @PeterGI hope my wording doesn't sound too harsh with respect to session musicians. They are usually the most talented and under appreciated! One of my favorite documentaries is The Wrecking Crew (below).

     

    I didn't mean to diss them, just meant to make the point about emotion and passion etc... :~)

     

    What did you think about the Boz track?

     

     

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    22 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    What did you think about the Boz track?

     

    It's super!  I have to admit I've lost track of a great artist.  I enjoyed Silk Degrees as a teen, but that seems a bit too poppy to me now; and I know he toured with Donald Fagen, but I did not attend.  Now I see he's released a huge number of well-reviewed albums.  I will dive deeper.  Thanks 😊

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    HI Chris, 

     

    Your review came at a perfect time and I have a couple of questions as I am in the process of rebuilding my new sound room as I have moved (and unfortunately, blew up my speakers, how I don't know).  Waiting for my new speakers, have the amp but looking at new DAC and this one on the list. 

     

    As a prior ROON--->MSB user, I am unfamilar with the chain that you state was your favorite.  Any crash course for a neophyte like me to understand what you are doing?  

     

    Is RAVENNA a software solution on your MAC outputting to the Merge?  Also, what in the process is controlling the volume as I am assuming no preamp in the system which is the direction I would like to go back to. 

     

    Lastly, do you know the MSRP of the clock?

     

    Thanks

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    2 hours ago, Priaptor said:

    HI Chris, 

     

    Your review came at a perfect time and I have a couple of questions as I am in the process of rebuilding my new sound room as I have moved (and unfortunately, blew up my speakers, how I don't know).  Waiting for my new speakers, have the amp but looking at new DAC and this one on the list. 

     

    As a prior ROON--->MSB user, I am unfamilar with the chain that you state was your favorite.  Any crash course for a neophyte like me to understand what you are doing?  

     

    Is RAVENNA a software solution on your MAC outputting to the Merge?  Also, what in the process is controlling the volume as I am assuming no preamp in the system which is the direction I would like to go back to. 

     

    Lastly, do you know the MSRP of the clock?

     

    Thanks

    Hi @Priaptor the chain is easiest to understand when looking at the big picture. 

     

    The Merging HAPI Mk2 in this specific case is being used as a D to D converter. Ethernet input, AES output. 

     

    On a more granular level, Merging hardware uses Ravenna to communicate with a source, such as Windows, macOS, Linux,  over Ethernet. Merging with Ravenna is what many concert halls use around the world. It's rock solid, stable, and supports a "million" channels and high sample rates. I use it mainly for my immersive 12 channel system. 

     

    I install the Ravenna driver on my MacBook Pro. This makes the Merging HAPI appear as an audio device that I select in Audirvana. This is an oversimplification, but hopefully you get the general idea. 

     

    With the Rossini I controlled volume using my Constellation Inspiration Preamp. I set the Apex volume to max and left it there. I could have connected straight to my amps and used the Rossini volume control without an issue as well. I think the Apex sounds best at 2Vrms output rather than 6Vrms. This may be a factor in driving amps directly for some people. 

     

    I believe the MSRP of the Rossini Clock is $10,850.

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    54 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Hi @Priaptor the chain is easiest to understand when looking at the big picture. 

     

    The Merging HAPI Mk2 in this specific case is being used as a D to D converter. Ethernet input, AES output. 

     

    On a more granular level, Merging hardware uses Ravenna to communicate with a source, such as Windows, macOS, Linux,  over Ethernet. Merging with Ravenna is what many concert halls use around the world. It's rock solid, stable, and supports a "million" channels and high sample rates. I use it mainly for my immersive 12 channel system. 

     

    I install the Ravenna driver on my MacBook Pro. This makes the Merging HAPI appear as an audio device that I select in Audirvana. This is an oversimplification, but hopefully you get the general idea. 

     

    With the Rossini I controlled volume using my Constellation Inspiration Preamp. I set the Apex volume to max and left it there. I could have connected straight to my amps and used the Rossini volume control without an issue as well. I think the Apex sounds best at 2Vrms output rather than 6Vrms. This may be a factor in driving amps directly for some people. 

     

    I believe the MSRP of the Rossini Clock is $10,850.

    Thanks 

     

    understand now. Im looking at the different components now and it looks like a very nice setup. 
     

    I currently have a new CH M10 stereo amp, have incoming Gobels Marquis (outgoing Gobel Aeons the speakers I blew up but also my new room I think more conducive to a full range speaker) and looking for a front end. Apex being released is a great option for me. Likely will come down to this versus the new CH 1.2. 
     

    I have my homework cut out for me. Right  now my new room is untreated and despite being a dedicated room with great potential sucks so I have that to deal with that after my speakers arrive. 


    Thank you for the additional info. Great write up and very timely for me. 

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    Dears, i'm the owner of a Vivaldi Dac that had some problems with the front power button. During the repair, the french distributor organized in my dealer place a comparison between my Vivaldi Dac repaired and a Vivaldi APEX. I think it is a big chance as not really easy to have a Vivaldi APEX in front of you in France, only one is running.

    I went to the reseller place with a friend owning a Scarlatti with clock and i must admit i was not expecting so much from this upgrade, the requested price that had also increased drastically in the past weeks did not help me. Anyway.

     

    Both Vivaldis were connected since days and the setup consisted in a Moon Integrated amplifier in bypass mode to use the volume of the Vivaldi and a Moon renderer in AES to the Vivaldis. 

     

    The first tests with some Raidho X2 louspeakers was really not a success and difficult to find clear gaps between the APEX and non-APEX. Too many bass not managed well. Finally we changed loudspeakers to Revel Performa F226Be and it changed totally the situation. With the APEX, all the range is extended with a lot of air between the notes, bass more resolved and tight. Finally i was absolutely convinced by the APEX from sound point of view. No clock was connected to the set.

     

    My 2 cents on this test, with lot of thanks to the reseller to have organized it, spending time to change setup to take the most of the APEX. According to the reseller the Rossini APEX is way better than my Vivaldi. I had no chance to be able to compare...

     

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    On 2/18/2023 at 3:11 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Yes, transients are hugely important to me. Without top notch transients, music isn't realistic to me. the Apex offers terrific transients, but in a way that makes the listening not even notice. It's similar to what I mentioned in the review about pixel peeping. if I focus on the transients, they are terrific of course, but with the Apex my focus was drawn to the performance as a whole much more so than individual pieces. it's like nothing stands out with the Apex because everything stands out. 

     

     

     

    Thanks for the detailed and considered reply and I think you make a number of excellent points. Sometimes just being able to focus on music and not obsessing over the technical nature of the playback is far more important. Equally your statements about the entire chain and the room is key - many of those elements could easily mask the differences between components or even hide their technical improvements.

    I enjoy reading your reviews, you're clearly focus primarily on music first, you've managed to review many top tier components,  have a well treated room and a carefully designed, stable system that you know very well. All those aspects provide a context to enable you to make informed comparisons and offer valuable opinions. Thanks again. 

       

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    Attended the Florida HiFi show this past Sunday, and while I didn't get the chance to hear this DAC in action, did stumble into the MSB room and hear their Reference DAC (two big slabs of aluminum, one for DAC and second for power supply) fed by a D to D called the Director; @$79K of digital front end...and it sounded pretty fantastic, not just a little bit better than some of the other digital that was on display or my Mytek Brooklyn plus.  

     

    Has anyone heard this set up and the Apex?  Have always thought of dCS and MSB as British and US counterparts in the quest for cost is no limitation exploration of this technology.

     

    FWIW, the Ref DAC with a pre amp module drove a couple of mono MSB amps that powered some Magico tower speakers...another $100K of gear.  Voices floated in the air with they are in the room quality, nuances like fingers on the keys and saxophone valves and drum kit hardware rattling...mesmerizingly good, like live music, my reference.

     

    Was also a bit surprised that the neither the D to D nor DAC performed up conversion of the data, which played at CD or SACD resolution on a transport that was an MSB product, but looks to be out of current production.  It sure sounded like it was HQPlayered...

     

    One additional observation, this was my first HiFi show, been to plenty guitar shows, and I was astounded that so many rooms played music with heavy electronic instruments, massively over-processed percussion and vocals, bass heavy stuff...nothing that would relate to live music played by musicians in a room or stage. Then a couple seemed to be playing movie soundtracks, I guess for the home theater gear.  Had to request some piano trio or acoustic guitar music to be able to "hear the gear". 

     

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    On 2/23/2023 at 7:57 AM, 57gold said:

    Was also a bit surprised that the neither the D to D nor DAC performed up conversion of the data, which played at CD or SACD resolution on a transport that was an MSB product, but looks to be out of current production.  It sure sounded like it was HQPlayered...

     

    I'd be willing to bet the DAC has internal oversampling to a very high rate. 

     

     

    On 2/23/2023 at 7:57 AM, 57gold said:

    One additional observation, this was my first HiFi show, been to plenty guitar shows, and I was astounded that so many rooms played music with heavy electronic instruments, massively over-processed percussion and vocals, bass heavy stuff...nothing that would relate to live music played by musicians in a room or stage. Then a couple seemed to be playing movie soundtracks, I guess for the home theater gear.  Had to request some piano trio or acoustic guitar music to be able to "hear the gear". 

     

    That's what many people play at shows to "wow" the listeners or make an impression. Often the ambient noise in a room is way too high for more subtle music. Although, some manufacturers are known for their loud playback at shows. I've been in many MartinLogan & McIntosh rooms where the volume was ear splitting and the music was bass heavy or rock. The small box of a hotel room had no chance of reproducing anything intelligible. 

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    21 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

     

    I'd be willing to bet the DAC has internal oversampling to a very high rate. 

     

    Asked if the Director D to D or the Ref Doc was upsampling/converting...both MSB guys said nope, CD was being played all the way at Redbook.  Display showed this as well, which is what made me ask. 

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    38 minutes ago, 57gold said:

     

    Asked if the Director D to D or the Ref Doc was upsampling/converting...both MSB guys said nope, CD was being played all the way at Redbook.  Display showed this as well, which is what made me ask. 

    The MSB playing CD as NOS would really be something. Not in a good way. I’m willing to be the person responding wasn’t thinking about internal up/oversampling. 

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    Oversampling is merely a technical workaround to get many DACs to behave more correctly - there is no magic inherent in the process. If the DAC circuitry is engineered well enough then using such, extra processing is quite unnecessary; in fact, the extra electrical activity inside the box may make things worse, by generating more noise.

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    6 minutes ago, fas42 said:

    Oversampling is merely a technical workaround to get many DACs to behave more correctly - there is no magic inherent in the process. If the DAC circuitry is engineered well enough then using such, extra processing is quite unnecessary; in fact, the extra electrical activity inside the box may make things worse, by generating more noise.

    With all due respect, that’s magical thinking backed by no engineering principles. 

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    Interesting part of a post by Javier, the designer of the Wadax Atlantis Reference DAC, of blue sky price, and regarded by some as the best to date,

     

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    As I see it, there is something more than just crazy measurements involved in recreating music in its deepest implications.  I think that BOTH are needed, or otherwise, we have only part of the solution. An incomplete solution.  I remember doing an experiment with my father around 1990 or so. We bought a first generation CD player. One dac multiplexed for 2 channels, 14 bit ENOB (effective number of bits), brickwall filtering, no oversampling. You could hear things that certainly should not be there, but besides this, there was something peculiar on that product. The long term listening was pleasant. Harmonic coherence and structure was good!. We learned a lot from that experience.

     

    Engineering principles only work if everything that matters is taken into account - a real world product that gets it better than most by thinking beyond the normal parameters is a sign that the situation is still not properly understood, by the major players.

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    1 hour ago, fas42 said:

    Interesting part of a post by Javier, the designer of the Wadax Atlantis Reference DAC, of blue sky price, and regarded by some as the best to date,

     

     

    Engineering principles only work if everything that matters is taken into account - a real world product that gets it better than most by thinking beyond the normal parameters is a sign that the situation is still not properly understood, by the major players.

    Oh boy Frank. This has nothing to do with anything. 

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    8 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Hi @Priaptor, you'll want to read this one - 

     

    WOW!  I need to look into this.  It also, believe it or not, looks like a "cheaper" alternative.  Let me say less expensive. 

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