JPLAY for iOS Is Now Available

7 hours ago, Jud said:

 

Audirvana has had this for a long time. (I'm not trying to turn this into an Audirvana vs. JPlay thread - please enjoy JPlay and the new remote. I just wanted to note this item for anyone who was unaware.)

Last time I tested (5-6 months ago) Audirvana shows your local library seperately from your Qobuz favorites.

I.e. albums from 1 artist are not available in 1 integrated view.

45 minutes ago, Apollo said:

Last time I tested (5-6 months ago) Audirvana shows your local library seperately from your Qobuz favorites.

I.e. albums from 1 artist are not available in 1 integrated view.

Both albums are listed, say in search, the icon to the right gives away which album is local or at Qobuz. I haven't had a chance to try favourites, don't normally use them.

just a technical one for display - the application is probably primarily optimized for the iPhone, but on the iPad the album image in the Now playing mode is really tiny. The fact that the other images from Covers or Artwork are not available as well as PDF booklets or TXT files has already been written by someone before me.

10 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

Here is what it looks like in JPLAY/ MinimServer in my system. 
 

 

 

The “issue” is that I use this parameter in Minimserver 

upnpCustom = multiTag={artist}

I removed it and the list of artists finally appeared …

That parameter is required to have Lumïn and Linn working as described before.

Without that parameter Lumïn and Linn show a single string where all artists are listed.

This breaks the Lumïn app cross reference capability (that doesn’t exists in JPlay, and this is a pity and a no-go for me)

Here the Linn app using that parameter

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and here without it … the same in Lumïn app

58 minutes ago, stefano_mbp said:

This breaks the Lumïn app cross reference capability (that doesn’t exists in JPlay, and this is a pity and a no-go for me)

What do you mean by this?

I can click on almost anything in JPLAY and it brings up info. For example, clicking on 1964 in the Carmen album’s metadata, brings up all my 1964 albums. 

More about Artist tag.

If an artist is written in the format “surname, name” his name is splitted in two artists:

• surname
• name

An example: Adolphe Adam (the Giselle ballet composer) is written as “Adam, Adolphe” … seems the comma is used as a separation character

and this is the result

in JPlay

and in Lumïn 

7 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

What do you mean by this?

 

I can click on almost anything in JPLAY and it brings up info. For example, clicking on 1964 in the Carmen album’s metadata, brings up all my 1964 albums. 

… nothing is clickable from here

Just now, stefano_mbp said:

… nothing is clickable from here

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Almost everything is clickable for me. 

4 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Almost everything is clickable for me. 

Very strange behavior …

1 minute ago, stefano_mbp said:

Very strange behavior …

What happens if you switch to a default minim profile, then try to click?

3 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

What happens if you switch to a default minim profile, then try to click?

I’ll try … 

No offense, but shouldn't all this VERY-SPECIFIC-to- @stefano_mbptroubleshooting be in a separate technical thread about Jplay bugs/issues??  Or a direct PM to Marcin?

8 hours ago, One and a half said:

I have the same problem. JPLAY found Lumin after 15 refreshes, held it for a few hours no issue. Found out that audirvana was still on, but not playing to the Lumin, noticed some weird behaviour when switching between local files and Qobuz. Switched that off, power recycle to the Lumin, from then on, can't find Lumin, although Windows, Audirvana (and its remote), Jriver, and Lumin app can find the renderer, no problem.

Same problem with my X1. JPLAY can’t find it. It did show up briefly after I hit refresh several times but it disappeared after a spell. Tried rebooting etc, no dice. Anybody have any suggestions? Otherwise, I like this app so far. Blazing fast as Chris noted.

About Artists bios … is it only working for streaming services ? I cannot find any artist bio for local/Minimserver recordings  …. but it is a feature described in the Store without mentioning any restriction

1 hour ago, stefano_mbp said:

About Artists bios … is it only working for streaming services ? I cannot find any artist bio for local/Minimserver recordings  …. but it is a feature described in the Store without mentioning any restriction

 

I believe it only works for streaming services. 
 

Everything in life has restrictions. 

Zajímavý fakt ... zatímco aplikace JPLAY iOS na mém iPadu (6. gen 2019, iOS 15.7)) způsobuje neustálé propady v souvislosti s rendererem JPLAY, při používání aplikace na mém iPhonu 11 (iOS 16.1) ani jeden pokles mnoho hodin.

Translation: Interesting tidbit... while the JPLAY Femto app on my iPad (6th gen 2019, iOS 15.6)) causes constant drops in connection with the JPLAY renderer, when using the app on my iPhone 11 (iOS 16.1), not a single drop in many hours. -Editor

39 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I believe it only works for streaming services. 
 

Everything in life has restrictions. 

That makes it not much of a Roon competitor for people with just local libraries.

Serious question: for people with just local libraries - who get no amplification of the user's metadata, per your post - what is the value proposition here?  Better sound quality?  A prettier interface?  

This definitely looks better than mconnect and it has excellent search capabilities, which mconnect lacks, but, thus far, I don't have equal network connection capability, I sometimes have to use another app to turn off the music, and JPlay has to scan my 7tb of data to add the two albums I downloaded last week, on top of minimserver so doing.

I want this to be a useful purchase and for a decent guy to have a successful product. For what should I be looking?

35 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I believe it only works for streaming services. 
 

Everything in life has restrictions. 

Of course but should be better to clearly describe this restriction.

That said, not using any streaming service what is the advantage of JPlay over Lumïn?

• By Folders browsing is the same
• A long beta testing path, for JPlay (for this same reason I abandoned Audirvana when Studio appeared, many beta test months)
• No artist bios for local content (quite limited but Lumïn offers Last.fm and All Music for any content) … and I must suppose the same for album reviews 
• A truly overpriced (€53/year !!!) app for JPlay while Lumïn is free
• Questionable integration with upnp mediaserver (Minimserver for sure) while it is almost perfect with Lumïn 
• Not so fast app, on my iPad 5gen. while Lumïn is really lightning fast
• Very limited browsable tags going through the app db (like many other apps, then no advantage at all)
• No additional information like images or album booklets available
• No need of Bubbleupnpserver middleware seems to be the only advantage of JPlay, a little one after all

Am I too picky? Yes I do 

3 minutes ago, Mike Rubin said:

That makes it not much of a Roon competitor for people with just local libraries.

 

Serious question: for people with just local libraries - who get no amplification of the user's metadata, per your post - what is the value proposition here?  Better sound quality?  A prettier interface?  

 

This definitely looks better than mconnect and it has excellent search capabilities, which mconnect lacks, but, thus far, I don't have equal network connection capability and JPlay has to scan my 7tb of data to add the two albums I downloaded last week, on top of minimserver so doing.

 

I want this to be a useful purchase and for a decent guy to have a successful product. For what should I be looking?

You can look at it any way you wish. Some people have been complaining that it isn’t identical to the Lumin app. Other are finding issues because it doesn’t do what a different app does. 
 

I look at this as another option, in a field without too many options, and zero perfect options. 
 

I can’t stand mconnect and I prefer not to use workarounds to make apps work with unsupported hardware. JPLAY for iOS is perfect for me because the interface is far better and it’s hardware agnostic. 
 

If you only have local files, what app is better?  This depends on what you value. If you want UPnP, Roon is out of the question. If you want to load files on a NAS running Minim and have no core or app running on a computer, JPLAY may be up your alley. 
 

There are so many ifs/ands/buts in every configuration and personal preferences, that people will have to use it to see if there is value for them. 
 

My files are on a NAS. The NAS runs minim. I don’t need anything other than JPLAY to play music, and it’s way better than the other options.  
 

People who only stream are big winners here as well. An iOS app is all they need. No Core, no app install on a PC etc..

I should also add that JPLAY was a big reason why I upgraded my iPad. it isn’t mandatory, but it works awesome now. 
 

Connect an Ethernet cable and performance is crazy. 
 

27 minutes ago, stefano_mbp said:

Of course but should be better to clearly describe this restriction.

     

That said, not using any streaming service what is the advantage of JPlay over Lumïn?

• By Folders browsing is the same
• A long beta testing path, for JPlay (for this same reason I abandoned Audirvana when Studio appeared, many beta test months)
• No artist bios for local content (quite limited but Lumïn offers Last.fm and All Music for any content) … and I must suppose the same for album reviews 
• A truly overpriced (€53/year !!!) app for JPlay while Lumïn is free
• Questionable integration with upnp mediaserver (Minimserver for sure) while it is almost perfect with Lumïn 
• Not so fast app, on my iPad 5gen. while Lumïn is really lightning fast
• Very limited browsable tags going through the app db (like many other apps, then no advantage at all)
• No additional information like images or album booklets available
• No need of Bubbleupnpserver middleware seems to be the only advantage of JPlay, a little one after all

Am I too picky? Yes I do 

You quoted me, so I will respond, but I’m not the company selling the app. Just a big fan. 
 

$50 per year is peanuts compared to what we spend on items in this hobby. I purchased a single album that was far more expensive a few days ago. People who use Lumin devices are paying for the app, as the price is included in the hardware. People using the Lumin app without Lumin hardware are receiving all the benefit while others pay for them. 
 

JPLAY works differently for me than it does you. Items that don’t work for you, have always worked for me. That, combined with how I use it, makes it a no brainer for me. 

18 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I should also add that JPLAY was a big reason why I upgraded my iPad. it isn’t mandatory, but it works awesome now. 
 

Connect an Ethernet cable and performance is crazy. 
 

 

Mine is two weeks old. I bought it on Black Friday. So, my iPad isn't the issue here, I don't think.  I don't have an ethernet cable anywhere near where I sit when I listen, but isn't wireless connection the very point of mobile-based computer audio?

5 minutes ago, Mike Rubin said:

Mine is two weeks old. I bought it on Black Friday. So, my iPad isn't the issue here, I don't think.  I don't have an ethernet cable anywhere near where I sit when I listen, but isn't wireless connection the very point of mobile-based computer audio?

I’m only giving you the objective data in that article. I don’t think there is such thing as “the very point” because that’s pretty limiting. For many of us there are many pros and cons to everything. 
 

Running an initial scan via Ethernet, on a large library is simple. Update scans via WiFi simpler. 
 

Wifi is about much more that just speed. It sucks compared to wired. The data shows this. 

4 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I’m only giving you the objective data in that article. I don’t think there is such thing as “the very point” because that’s pretty limiting. For many of us there are many pros and cons to everything. 
 

Running an initial scan via Ethernet, on a large library is simple. Update scans via WiFi simpler. 
 

Wifi is about much more that just speed. It sucks compared to wired. The data shows this. 

I agree about the limitations of wireless compared to wired, which is why I rewired my house for 64 wall ports.  However, by design, there are none in the middle of my living room.  

Without wifi, I would still be listening to CDs and LPs alone.  Every major player in your digital music industry is dependent for its success on having its hardware or software controllable with a mobile app that depends on wifi.   If JPlay can't make a wireless mobile device use case, its niche just got smaller.

3 minutes ago, Mike Rubin said:

I agree about the limitations of wireless compared to wired, which is why I rewired my house for 64 wall ports.  However, by design, there are none in the middle of my living room.  

 

Without wifi, I would still be listening to CDs and LPs alone.  Every major player in your digital music industry is dependent for its success on having its hardware or software controllable with a mobile app that depends on wifi.   If JPlay can't make a wireless mobile device use case, its niche just got smaller.

It’s clear this app isn’t for you. I use it via WiFi all the time and it works perfectly.