Article: JPLAY for iOS Is Now Available

[Apollo]

Now that my library problems are over, I am struggling quite a bit with playback.

The biggest issue is  "Error sending action to renderer"  .

Any idea where I have to check/correct toavoid this issue?

Config:

Synology NAS running Minimserver 2.1.2 update 220 --> HQPlayerEmbedded on Pinkfaun server 2.16 (running Audiolinux)

 

I can play in this configuration using Fidata as contol app on my Android phone without issues (but that does not support streaming services)

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, Apollo said:

Now that my library problems are over, I am struggling quite a bit with playback.

The biggest issue is  "Error sending action to renderer"  .

Any idea where I have to check/correct toavoid this issue?

Config:

Synology NAS running Minimserver 2.1.2 update 220 --> HQPlayerEmbedded on Pinkfaun server 2.16 (running Audiolinux)

 

I can play in this configuration using Fidata as contol app on my Android phone without issues (but that does not support streaming services)

Did you try any of these options?

 

[stefano_mbp]

17 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

and reasonable expectations

I must say that it is thanks to you that the expectations were very high, thanks to your glowing review, unfortunately it is difficult for me to understand how you have not encountered the problems I am/we are detecting.

The most incredible thing is that the big flaws are in the core features and not secondary / ancillary features.
This is especially concerning for such a high-cost app.

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

6 minutes ago, stefano_mbp said:

in fact that's exactly what I'm doing by reporting bugs I’m finding 

Perhaps we have cultural differences. I think it really matters how something is said, not just what is said. In addition, setting reasonable expectations is something I believe in. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, stefano_mbp said:

I must say that it is thanks to you that the expectations were very high, thanks to your glowing review, unfortunately it is difficult for me to understand how you have not encountered the problems I am/we are detecting.

The most incredible thing is that the big flaws are in the core features and not secondary / ancillary features.
This is especially concerning for such a high-cost app.

 

You said, “I’m using a quite complex Minimserver configuration.” 
 

Do you now understand why you may be running into issues that I’ve shown you I don’t have?

[stefano_mbp]

Just now, The Computer Audiophile said:

Do you now understand why you may be running into issues that I’ve shown you I don’t have?

Yes, but it is fully compliant with upnp and other apps like Linn, Kazoo, MConnect and Lumïn don’t have any issue with it

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, stefano_mbp said:

Yes, but it is fully compliant with upnp and other apps like Linn, Kazoo, MConnect and Lumïn don’t have any issue with it

Two things. 
1. The Lumin app has been in development for 10 years. 
2. UPnP is the most non-standard standard. You know this. 
 

If I remember correctly, last time I tried the Linn app, it was locked to Linn hardware. There are reasons for this, and one is that supporting UPnP devices is extremely difficult because the standard is only a suggestion, not a requirement. 

[stefano_mbp]

2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

You said, “I’m using a quite complex Minimserver configuration.” 
 

Do you now understand why you may be running into issues that I’ve shown you I don’t have?

These are my Minimserver settings, quite complex but nothing else.

Any feature I’m using is described in the Minimserver user guide

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aliasTags = ContentGroup:Grouping, SET SUBTITLE:DISCSUBTITLE, RELEASETIME:ReleaseDate 

contentDir =  …. my hdds

delayStart = 15 

displayName = MinimServer NOS 

indexTags = Library, Period:Classical music eras, Genre, Style:Style [subgenre], Composer, Grouping:Composition, Composition/Composer, Album:Composition/Album, Conductor, Orchestra, Soloists, Instrument, AlbumArtist:Album Artist, All Artists, Decade: Rec. Decade, Date:Rec. Year, ReleaseDate:Rel. Year, CATALOGOBWVRV:Catalog [BWV/RV], NewAudioFormat:PCM/DSD/Lossy, #AudioFormat:Audio Format, #AudioData:Audio Res., #AudioChannels:Stereo/Mono, *RecentAdded, *RecentPlayed 

itemTags = Artist, #AudioDuration, tracknumber, tracktotal, Comment 

listViewAlbums = 0 

serverOptions = indexArtwork=all 

stream.transcode = alac:wav, flac:wav 

tagFormat = Album.displayFormat={$album^$#AudioFormat$#AudioData^ [^]}, Composition/Composer.indexFormat={$Composer$Grouping} 

tagOptions = Album.sortTags={AlbumArtist, Album}, Decade.decade.index.sort, Date.yearOnly.* 

tagUpdate = /media/…………../tagUpdate.txt

tagValue = Artist.merge={Conductor, Orchestra, Soloists, AlbumArtist, Grouping, DISCSUBTITLE, Style, CATALOGOBWVRV}, Decade.default={Date} 

upnpCustom = multiTag={artist}

[stefano_mbp]

3 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

it was locked to Linn hardware.

I can use it without any Linn hardware …

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, stefano_mbp said:

I can use it without any Linn hardware …

With Bubble middleware?

[The Computer Audiophile]

4 minutes ago, stefano_mbp said:

These are my Minimserver settings, quite complex but nothing else.

Do you see the disconnect in your statement? Quite complex but nothing else? What does that mean?

 

 

4 minutes ago, stefano_mbp said:

Any feature I’m using is described in the Minimserver user guide

.

If it’s in the user guide that means what?

 

 

 

[stefano_mbp]

1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

With Bubble middleware?

Bubbleupnpserver? Yes, of course. MConnect and, on Android only, Bubbleupnp are the only apps that don’t need Bubbleupnpserver

[stefano_mbp]

1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

What does that mean?

I mean that I’m using a lot of Minimserver features … a lot of study of the user guide.

 

3 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

If it’s in the user guide that means what?

That you cannot invent anything, you can just use what is described in the user guide

[Apollo]

37 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Did you try any of these options?

 

 

Yes, I tried the Safe Transition Mode , and the Force stop Before Play.  

Made no difference.

will send an email to Marcin

[Apollo]

15 minutes ago, stefano_mbp said:

Bubbleupnpserver? Yes, of course. MConnect and, on Android only, Bubbleupnp are the only apps that don’t need Bubbleupnpserver

 

Fidata on Android does not need Bubbleupnpserver.  Playing with this control app as I type.

[WilliamWykeham]

Great accomplishment @Marcin_gps.  I can immediately tell the difference in SQ compared to the popular alternative I was using.  First impressions, much more sense of air and dynamism from this.  Lack of streaming and controller was the one thing keeping me from using JPlay all the time. This is big!! 

[PavelDosko]

Just feelings... I tried JPLAY Femto and when I read that there will be (according to the review excellent) a native JPLAY application for iOS, I bought a license for JPLAY Femto, WIN 10 LTSC, Fidelizer 8.9, AO3 and suffered with mConnectHD. The expectations were not fulfilled at all, for me, with the predominance of classical music, the application is unusable, in addition, the playback crashes every now and then ... sadness

 

I already hate the message "Error sending action to renderer" that I see every now and then and I don't play unless I reset the audioPC. And yes, I tried different settings JPLAY Femto Update time, Safe transition mode etc.

[stefano_mbp]

1 hour ago, Apollo said:

 

Fidata on Android does not need Bubbleupnpserver.  Playing with this control app as I type.

Can be true, I don’t know Fidata at all

[Marcin_gps]

23 minutes ago, PavelDosko said:

Just feelings... I tried JPLAY Femto and when I read that there will be (according to the review excellent) a native JPLAY application for iOS, I bought a license for JPLAY Femto, WIN 10 LTSC, Fidelizer 8.9, AO3 and suffered with mConnectHD. The expectations were not fulfilled at all, for me, with the predominance of classical music, the application is unusable, in addition, the playback crashes every now and then ... sadness

 

I already hate the message "Error sending action to renderer" that I see every now and then and I don't play unless I reset the audioPC. And yes, I tried different settings JPLAY Femto Update time, Safe transition mode etc.

It seems that your JPLAY FEMTO (On Windows) settings are not stable, hence the issues you're experiencing. If you send me a screenshot of your JPLAY settings panel via PM, I'll try to recommend a solution

 

On other topics:

1. Light theme will be in the next release (in few days).
2. My artists only show favorites. 
3. Increase update time in settings will impact sound quality in a positive way. 
4. To change between ascending and descending is a matter of click in the option again. Imagine that you are sorting by "Release Date", and current order is ascending, if you click on "Release Date" again it will change to descending. We will add a visual hint in a next release.

5. It's possible to switch the view between list and grid -> the option is in the upper-right corner

6. If after installation the app does not find output device (renderer), please restart phone. 

7.  If someone is getting errors sending actions to renderer, especially hqplayer embedded, please use Safe transition mode. and or "Force Stop Before Play".

 

I think that some of you are used to old apps and expect JPLAY app will work work the same. We are trying sth different here and I'm sure that if you spend few days with the app, you are going to discover a lot of benefits that may not be obvious at first glance. 

 

@stefano_mbpif you can send me the album with multiple artists, we wil figure it out.

 

I will come back on Monday

 

Have a great weekend! 

 

Best regards,
Marcin
 

[PavelDosko]

with mConnectHD no playing problem with my JPLAY Femto settings, no abortion of playing as with JPLAY iOS ...

[stefano_mbp]

21 minutes ago, Marcin_gps said:

if you can send me the album with multiple artists, we wil figure it out

@The Computer Audiophileyou have a PM

[jrobbins50]

@The Computer Audiophile, I would like to stand back from the weeds here and ask:  for Roon/HQP users like me, is there any particular reason to prefer the JPlay arrangement here over my existing configuration?  Just trying to understand if this should properly be viewed as a sound quality/ control alternative or as an improvement?  Thanks. JCR 

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, jrobbins50 said:

@The Computer Audiophile, I would like to stand back from the weeds here and ask:  for Roon/HQP users like me, is there any particular reason to prefer the JPlay arrangement here over my existing configuration?  Just trying to understand if this should properly be viewed as a sound quality/ control alternative or as an improvement?  Thanks. JCR 

Tough questions to answer for others :~)

 

I see it as a great alternative to Roon.

 

For people who only stream, the only requirement is the app. For those with local content, a UPnP server is required, but that can run on nearly anything from a Raspberry Pi to NAS etc…

 

In your situation, you’d have to run HQP embedded, to use the UPnP renderer built into that OS, so you can use convolution. 
 

I approached Simon at Minim about working with someone like Mitch to get Hang Loose Convolver to work in MinimServer, but I don’t believe it was of interest to him. 

[stefano_mbp]

2 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

UPnP is the most non-standard standard

… but ID3v2.4 tag format specification has nothing to do with upnp.

According to these specs Artist tag is a multi-item tag and Minimserver manage it in the right way, not the same, as we can see, for JPlay app

[The Computer Audiophile]

8 minutes ago, stefano_mbp said:

… but ID3v2.4 tag format specification has nothing to do with upnp.

According to these specs Artist tag is a multi-item tag and Minimserver manage it in the right way, not the same, as we can see, for JPlay app

Usually app developers have to implement endless workarounds to make this stuff work. I’m only going by what I know from talking to them for 15 years. If this was all standard, all the apps would work great with all of this.