Schiit LISST (Linear, integrated solid state tube) with

[dericchan1]

https://www.schiit.com/products/lisst
 

I  know the concept of a solid state “tube” replacement is not new but does anyone have experiences with LISST or similar product?

Sounds interesting. So essentially you are making your tube preamp into a solid state preamp with the same 12db gain?

Deric

[AudioDoctor]

Schiit has been using these for years and there is a lot of talk about them over on Head-Fi.

[davide256]

Never had them to play with. I have played around with discrete OP AMPs in DAC's and found them to be superior to integrated packages.

I have my suspicions about 6SN7 tubes being "slow" on transients so hope that the LISST equivalent becomes available again to do a comparison.

[dericchan1]

If they initially sell the Freya + with the LISST tubes for $200usd more than listed price I would have been fine.

 

but paying $200 usd plus shipping for the LISST is a. expensive option 

[dericchan1]

Latest review by Steve Guttenberg on the Freya + and the LISST 

 

being a typical tube guy, Steve prefers the tube gain mode at the end, but he did described the LISST being “very clean, detailed, transparent, very solid state sounding”

[Samuel T Cogley]

I must say, these LISST "tubes" are prettier than Schiit's first go at LISST:

 

 

...and I have these in a Lyr 2 headphone amp.  The linearity is what I was after.

 

Understand these devices still need to put a load on the tube filament circuit and will get warm and waste a lot of power.

 

 

[dericchan1]

25 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

I must say, these LISST "tubes" are prettier than Schiit's first go at LISST:

 

 

...and I have these in a Lyr 2 headphone amp.  The linearity is what I was after.

 

Understand these devices still need to put a load on the tube filament circuit and will get warm and waste a lot of power.

 

 

How does it sound?

[Samuel T Cogley]

56 minutes ago, dericchan1 said:

How does it sound?

 

Meh

 

I think the Violectric HPA V281 has ruined me for lesser headphone amps.

 

 

[davide256]

 I have ordered a pair of the LISST 6SN7 substitutes. They will be tried in place of 1950's Sylvania 6SN7GTA (black base) in a Microzotl 2. Don't have high expectations

but curiosity got the better of me

[dericchan1]

Just now, davide256 said:

 I have ordered a pair of the LISST 6SN7 substitutes. They will be tried in place of 1950's Sylvania 6SN7GTA (black base) in a Microzotl 2. Don't have high expectations

but curiosity got the better of me

Thanks David, your feedback will be much appreciated!! 

Deric

[StephenJK]

I'll say it once.  

 

Anyone who names their company "Schiit", and then explains in Beavis and Butthead snickering, that yeah - that's what they really meant is not a company that I will ever take seriously.  

 

https://www.gearpatrol.com/tech/a519757/schiit-audio/#:~:text=Schiit Audio is pronounced just,the California-based audio brand.

 

Maybe it's just me, but grade school humour doesn't translate well into the world of electronic manufacturing.  I couldn't care less what their stuff sounds like, it's all Schiit to me.  

[firedog]

Good for you. 

Their approach, whether you like it or not, is quite successful.

The products are also good. Enjoy missing out. 

[PeterG]

14 hours ago, StephenJK said:

I'll say it once.  

 

Anyone who names their company "Schiit", and then explains in Beavis and Butthead snickering, that yeah - that's what they really meant is not a company that I will ever take seriously.  

 

https://www.gearpatrol.com/tech/a519757/schiit-audio/#:~:text=Schiit Audio is pronounced just,the California-based audio brand.

 

Maybe it's just me, but grade school humour doesn't translate well into the world of electronic manufacturing.  I couldn't care less what their stuff sounds like, it's all Schiit to me.  

Ironically, this is the logical equivalent to being swayed to buy by marketing BS instead of real costs and benefits.  You have been persuaded not to buy by marketing BS.  As a full line of products from a reliable company, these guys are probably the best bang for the buck in entry level audiophile electronics.  

[dericchan1]

11 minutes ago, PeterG said:

Ironically, this is the logical equivalent to being swayed to buy by marketing BS instead of real costs and benefits.  You have been persuaded not to buy by marketing BS.  As a full line of products from a reliable company, these guys are probably the best bang for the buck in entry level audiophile electronics.  

My impression on the Freya + with the right tubes is entry level pricing but punches above its weight in performance.

[davide256]

Recieved the Lisst tubes but have had an issue with bass distortion on the right channel using them in an LTA MZ2. What listening I have been able to do

hasn't been pleasing, they are faster but the ease of a vacuum tube is lost, has that solid state edginess of an inexpensive amplifier. Results may differ

if using  traditional tube gear with big transformer vs the transformer-less design of the MZ2.

[davide256]

1 minute ago, davide256 said:

Recieved the Lisst tubes but have had an issue with bass distortion on the right channel using them in an LTA MZ2. What listening I have been able to do

hasn't been pleasing, they are faster but the ease of a vacuum tube is lost, has that solid state edginess of an inexpensive amplifier. Results may differ

if using  traditional tube gear with big transformer vs the transformer-less design of the MZ2.

 

BTB @Samuel T Cogley what Schiit is advertising/selling a la carte is still the egg shaped original Lisst

[dericchan1]

1 hour ago, davide256 said:

Recieved the Lisst tubes but have had an issue with bass distortion on the right channel using them in an LTA MZ2. What listening I have been able to do

hasn't been pleasing, they are faster but the ease of a vacuum tube is lost, has that solid state edginess of an inexpensive amplifier. Results may differ

if using  traditional tube gear with big transformer vs the transformer-less design of the MZ2.

Thanks for your comment David, didn’t realize you are using the LISST with some other amp not Schiit. Not sure if that might be the reason for your issue though.

[PeterG]

On 10/1/2022 at 10:04 AM, davide256 said:

Recieved the Lisst tubes but have had an issue with bass distortion on the right channel using them in an LTA MZ2. What listening I have been able to do

hasn't been pleasing, they are faster but the ease of a vacuum tube is lost, has that solid state edginess of an inexpensive amplifier. Results may differ

if using  traditional tube gear with big transformer vs the transformer-less design of the MZ2.

Thanks.  I guess this is exactly what we should have expected