Audirvana Studio

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On 5/9/2021 at 2:29 PM, matthias said:

I have a 2011 MacBook Pro

 

I'm sorry if this offends anybody, but an 11 year computer is like driving a 1955 Chevy and complaining it doesn't handle very well.. you need to move on

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On 5/10/2021 at 1:42 PM, Saffuria said:

On 5/10/2021 at 1:36 PM, all300b said:

Would assume that the new Audirvana - like the old - cannot link its audio output to HQ player within the same computer?

And why would you do that? Just out of curiosity.

 

HQPlayer does things that I don't believe Audivana can. Upsampling with a wide choice of filters and bit depths, which is why people buy it. If you don't want that capability then agreed, why use it. 

 

completely agree about not valuing software. Went out to dinner tonight and spent $75 + an ice cream on the way home and the cost of driving there and back....   buy a few records or CDs and you are out that much, it costs $50 to fill your car with gas, yet people bitch endlessly about spending $70 a year  for the use of something they use very day. I don't get it.

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6 hours ago, LarryMagoo said:

I have my 2012 MAC Mini i7 16GB RAM, dedicated to Roon for my RoonServer, but then I installed a 1TB SSD and another one for back up all in the same box!   It works flawlessly!    

 

it works at the moment. You can't go beyond Catalina which obviously does what you want. The 2011 models are stuck at the OS before that. I have a 2009 Macbook which is basically worthless, at least to me, as it won't run the software I want. You aren't far behind. Apple is moving all machines to a new processor which is currently about 2.5X faster than your machine and this is just the first version. . As software is developed for this new chip and hardware advances you will eventually be forced to choose whether or not you want to take advantage of the advancements or remain behind.  Enjoy it while you can.

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11 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

I don't stream or listen to internet radio either. 

 

this makes me very curious, and forgive me if I am reading into the post, but it sounds like you are almost wearing this as a badge of honor. I say that because I can't image NOT streaming. I have discovered hundreds of artists I would otherwise be unaware of and so much "new to me" music I regret not doing it sooner. People bitch about the price of it but  for the cost of 1 CD a month I get unlimited  access to millions of songs... millions. Unless you are one of the OCD crowd who listens to the same 5 reference albums over and over and over, I can't think of a single reason why I would stop doing it. I would be devastated if I was no longer able to do it.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Martini said:

I've been eyeballing Fab Filter https://www.fabfilter.com/products/pro-q-3-equalizer-plug-in. It looks like a powerful program that is not too difficult to use.

I have used it as a plug in when I was doing Pure Vinyl, and probably still own the license if I could find it. I thought it was very transparent and is very powerful. I abandoned it when I got Audiolense and paid Mitch to design some room correction filters for me.. not inexpensive  either in the world of software, but the results are impressive. A key difference is Audiolense will do time alignment (phase alignment) and the Fab Filter just does EQ. Doesn't FF offer a free trial?

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8 minutes ago, arlese said:

However, some of us like what we like already having gone through that journey - I’m at the place where if I hear a new artist all I can hear is how it sounds like something or someone I’ve already heard. I think it’s probably the normal course of aging

 

I just turned 65 and one of the great pleasures I get from this hobby is discovering new music. Different strokes - different folks

 

8 minutes ago, arlese said:

All that to say, I don’t need a music sub and also it’s annoying that one day it may be the only way to enjoy music; which if you like what you like and don’t want for more, a sub is like the equivalent of buying the same albums over and over again not a new one every month

 

Given an artist gets a few cents from streaming compared to a few dollars (I hope)  from selling an album I'm hoping they will continue to offer them for sale. I still buy vinyl and that seems to be holding steady if not expanding so I am optimistic it will continue.

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I'm almost embarrassed to ask this, but how do you connect Audirvana running on a remote computer to a DAC that only has a USB input? I am currently using Roon with HQPlayer that streams over my network to a small computer (UP Atom) running Linux HQplayer NAA with USB out to my DAC. What software do I load on my small computer to act as the DLNA receiver? I thought it would be simple to google the answer but I can't  find a clear answer. I can load Windows 10 on the Atom but that seems like way overboard for such a simple function and think I prefer a Linux solution for simplicities sake. I'm happy with my current setup but as always, curious to try what many say is a better player.

 

thanks

 

 

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20 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

A raspberry Pi4 running RopieeXL. RopieeXL also has an NAA function.

 

but looking for software to run on my Atom, not buy a Pi4

 

thanks

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Jud said:

Know you said you weren't looking for another computer, but if you didn't feel like installing and configuring upmpdcli, you could get it pre-configured (and switchable via a web GUI back and forth with NAA and a couple of other streaming utilities) in a microRendu for $400 without power supply, if you have a 7v supply around

 

thanks, looks like a viable option

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RunHomeSlow, does Studio allow grouping zones like Roon does?

 

I'm listening to music  from multiple Bluesound speakers around my house playing the same thing. I think losing that ability would be a non-starter for me.

 

I looked around but there is surprising little information. I can't even find a user manual for the current version of Audirvana

 

thanks

 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Foggie said:

shouldn't Audirvana see my opticalRendu via DLNA

 

yes, but it can only be one thing at a time

 

yes, if you have set the OR to be a DLNA receiver. If you have it set to be an HQP NAA then no

 

you don't need/want upmpdcli because that would be on the receiver end, and your OR already has the software you need, you just have to set it up properly. If you have the OR set up as DLNA and a DLNA server can't see it then something else is going on

 

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6 hours ago, matthias said:

Thanks for your advice,

there are some people who prefer even much older horn speakers to modern speakers😀

 

look at my system

 

you can't relate old horn speakers to old cars like you can old computers. The analogy doesn't apply since old computers are like old cars,; old, outdated,  and not as capable as new. Horn speakers are state of the art now just like they have always been. In the case of horns, old does not mean outdated.

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6 minutes ago, wolft said:

Jud said: What are you running as your NAA?

 

My Setup:

 

Mac Mini M1 (HQPlayer) --> LAN --> NAA Windows with DAC Device Driver  --> USB --> Singxer SDA-6 --> Lavardin ISX Reference

 

In Roon I see the HQPlayer, but I use the HQPlayer only with HQControl on my iPhone.

 

Wolft

 

you need a program on your Windows machine that will act as a DLNA receiver instead of the NAA. I think Windows Media Player will do that. I'm sure there are others

 

Mac Mini M1 (Audirvana) --> LAN --> DLNA Windows with DAC Device Driver  --> USB --> Singxer SDA-6 --> Lavardin ISX Reference

 

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56 minutes ago, matthias said:

Is it possible that the tag imposes a sonic signature on the file as well?

 

There was a hotly debated thread on Audio Asylum where many claimed they could hear differences in files that were identical bit for bit but ripped on different drives and/or with different programs. Personally I think that is ridiculous, but in a hobby where USB cables and ethernet switches make profound differences for some. and people spend $25K+ on a computer that makes a jaw dropping difference, you will no doubt find some who will claim an extra  tag makes their files unlistenable. 

 

YMMV

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Gonzbull said:

One problem I do have is the inability to use more than 1 computer. I have AS installed on my listening system as well as in my studio where I use it to reference tracks. AS says I have to disable one to use the other.

 

That's how Roon is set up. You have to unauthorize one to use another. How else can they insure you aren't sharing your account?

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15 minutes ago, SFRalph said:

  Is the sound quality for the new Audirvana Studio significantly better than Audirvana 3.5?

 

so if one sounds different than the other which many here are claiming , is Studio sending different data to the DAC than 3.5? 

 

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57 minutes ago, Gonzbull said:

oon is a very different situation.

 

You can only have one Core logged in at a time, but you can have any number of clients and end-points, all controlling and playing different things, in different places, at the same time.  Just has to be on the same network.

 

Oh, I see the issue you are talking about. If I can't use Audirvana to stream to multiple devices and have more than one user at a time I'll have to pass

 

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1 hour ago, Gonzbull said:

Indeed that is a pain. It seems I have to operate both computers as I have to disable one first then log in and enable the other. It can’t be done from just one machine. 

 

I don't know if both have to be on (unlike Roon where you can de-authorize a core from any other core ), but if they do you can easily control one computer from another with screen sharing on a Mac or a  VNC program like TeamViewer on any computer. I know not the seamless solution you are looking for, but you can do it from one machine. 

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46 minutes ago, Christopher Wood said:

Roon lifetime users are hilarious.

 

so some Roon users aren't happy with 1.8. Many Audirvana users are at a minimum unhappy and at an extreme pissed off about Studio including how it handles tags, the interface, subscription versus purchase,, etc. . How is any of that relevant to anything?

 

For many of us the features in Roon that are lacking in Audirvana make it an easy decision to stick with Roon. for me (I pay by the year)

1. the Roon radio feature for discovering new music
2. Roon's integration with HQplayer allowing
   1. excellent processing/upsampling and streaming to an NAA endpoint vs DLNA
   2. use of convolution filters for room correction
3. Roon's ability to stream to many endpoints at once each of which can be under the control of a different user with a different stream or grouped together (this alone is enough for me to stick with Roon as my family uses it often) AS would cost me $140 a year to have 2 users and still limited to one endpoint at a time for each. For me Roon is cheaper
4. I suppose minor, but the goofy Audirvana  search that segregates results into different columns. One it finds in my library, one for Qobuz, and a third for Tidal. I assume another for the HD stream if you have it. I want the results all in one group 

it basically boils down to how you want to use the player and what is important to you. No right or wrong.. it is personal preference

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12 hours ago, Gonzbull said:

I’m on a 2009 MBP with Catalina.

 

don't you have to hack the computer to run Catalina?

 

It seems to irritate people when I say this, but I don't understand how anyone can expect good results limping along with a 12 year old computer. Geekbench  results for a 2009 mac are around 400 single core and multicore 600, a Mac Mini M1 is 1700 and 7400. Time to move on.

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1 hour ago, Ekstatikon said:

Audirvana, on a dedicated 2012 Mac Mini (dual core i5) never ever used more than 3% of processor (while playing) 

 

1 hour ago, pl_svn said:

Audirvana, on a dedicated 2011 Mac Mini (quad core i7) never ever used more than 3% of processor (while playing)

 

uh, "never ever" as in past tense... we're discussing Audirvana Studio... things change, computers become outdated for reasons other than just clock speed even though that has a lot to do with it. A competent software designer optimizes his program to run on the current generation of processors and operating systems with a look back to recent versions. In the world of computers 2011-12 is ancient history, A 2011 Mini can't run the last 3 updates to OSX without a hack..  When people are hacking their systems to hold onto outdated computers it is time to move on.

 

Now let me find my buggy whip and I'll take my carriage and mule down to the general store to get some supplies

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, jos said:

Stuttering was solved by disabling r8brain (deactivate).

 

curious....  what computer you are running this on?

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3 hours ago, Gonzbull said:

just put together a little video for my son with FinalCut Pro on this machine. Surely it

can play some music.

 

4 hours ago, RunHomeSlow said:

What are you saying?? You don't need to hack a Mac Mini 2009, 2011, 2012... enough horse power to run a software that can run with a candle... :)

 

You are oversimplifying it. You may accuse me of making it too complicated, but the simple fact is that horse power or the fact that other software runs fine is not the issue. Pure Music runs beautifully on these older Minis using a few % of the CPU.  It won't run at all on a Mini with Big Sur. It isn't horsepower, it is the operating system so you run Pure Music on Mojave, which means you can't use a Mini M1 because Mojave won't run on an M1.

 

So I'm saying, perhaps some of the issues people are having is trying to use 2021 software on a 2011 machine. Perhaps so, perhaps not this time, but as Apple migrates everything to the M1 machines the old Intels will eventually be left behind. As is a lot of "current" Apple software has to run in a translator to function on an M1. Developers are left with the choice of optimizing their software to run on M1 or Intel... it can't do both.

 

I'll drop it since this seems  off topic,,, but maybe not if some of the issues here are being caused by some incompatibility that isn't obvious. Makes you wonder why somebody has stuttering on a 2013 mac when running advanced processing? Defect in the software or some issue with running 2021 software on an 8 year old machine?

 

Hope it all works out for you... see ya

 

 

 

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On 8/3/2021 at 9:18 PM, Mike Rubin said:

just installed Windows 11 beta on my NUC.  Audirvāna Studio is the only app or application that would not run after the OS update

 

Let's review some of the really bad choices one can make in life

 

1. tug on Superman's cape
2. spit into the wind
3. pull the mask off the Lone Ranger
4. mess around with Jim
5. upgrade to ANY beta version of Windows

 

 

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I too am trying it since they extended my free trial. It is irritating that it first tells me I have no internet, then I try again and it makes me enter my user name and password every time I start it, but it does not ask for a license key. I haven't experienced all of the other bugs but I haven't used it much either.

 

The main feature I find useful in Roon is Roon radio. I have yet to find a player that exposes me to so much "new to me" music so despite my issues with Roon, I continue to use it and probably will unless somebody else comes up with an equivalent to the radio feature. I also use HQP with Mitchco DSP room correction which I'm told doesn't  integrate into Audirvana unless you buy the Hang Loose software.

 

I do agree with Chris that all of these programs are a pittance compared to everything else I have invested, but like was also pointed out, the hardware I've spent a lot of money on actually work flawlessly.