CD players are back ?

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13 minutes ago, ajay556 said:

There are sever

Bit perfect (which includes clock)  does not exist in real life  music - -if computer was bit perfect then innuos would not be selling 15k computer transports. There is only less bit imperfection with  better power supplies and clocks. A simple computer is completely bit imperfect.

 

Ok. Another person to put in my “Don’t Know What They Are Talking About” list.....

 

Of course there is bit perfect in digital audio. It’s not hard to read the bits of a CD perfectly. It happens most of the time. 

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7 minutes ago, ajay556 said:

bit perfect concept works when you are loading a word document. Bit perfect in music has another variable  - time...and their lies the problem. So it has no meaning if bit perfect is being retrieved and sent to the destination with timing errors. That's why there are so many expensive sources like innuos and not computers as sources. They minimize the timing errors by big and clean  power supplies and avoiding switches.

people need to realize electric circuits do not understand 1s and 0s. It is all volts/currents and errors are in various forms.

 

Again, you don't know what you are talking about. Noise is the problem, not timing. Noise on the ground line; noise in the power; and clock phase noise.

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10 hours ago, ajay556 said:

Moreover, i have a computer /electrical engineering degree from u of A.  Whats your background - please don't say computeraudiohpile website 😉

 

Big whooped dee doo. Whenever I see someone tout their degree, I know they are grasping at straws.

 

Who cares what degrees I have. I remember when I worked at Apple, we would hire CS guys from Berkeley and Carnegie Mellon that were  a complete waste of office space. Degrees don't mean anything other than you could get through the process and pass. It doesn't mean you know a damn thing.

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35 minutes ago, ajay556 said:

You simply cannot send the buffered data  and have DAC reclock without errors and independent of the source.

 

Of course you can! My DAC, a PS Audio DirectStream, has a track you can play that will show the text “Bit Perfect” on its display if the track gets to the DAC bit perfect. I have done this over USB and the Ethernet interface using both a direct connection and a Roon (with and without HQPlayer). 

 

So, again, you show you have no idea what you are talking about. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, ajay556 said:

ok you are just not getting the concept. You are thinking PS Audio bit perfect has anything to do with this conversation...thats like saying my  300 watt amp performance perfectly at 300 watts ...  And fyi..i had PS audio direct stream too..i sold it for a CD player that killed the PS audio in music performance....PS audio makes great digital players but its not in par with truly high end digital playback - there goes your bit perfect logic....so please sign off from this thread

 

I couldn't care less what you think of my DAC. Based on what you've posted, you have no idea what you are talking about anyway.

 

My point is that I know the digital chain I am using gets music files to the digital side of my DAC bit perfect. The DirectStream DAC completely ignores the clocking from the data stream and figures out the frequency to use based on the data itself. In other words, the raw data is read in and clocked using the DirectStream's internal clocks only. The quality, or lack thereof, of the external clocks matter not. Again, the music data gets to the DAC bit perfect, no matter what you think you know or say.

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4 minutes ago, ajay556 said:

This is my last statement as i cannot waste my time educating consumers who have no idea in engineering concepts.

 

Oh, thank God!

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23 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

 

this part is true

 

 

 

No, it's not. you or I can make claims all day long without studying digital processing. Regardless of who makes claims, the validity of the claims is the evidence that supports or disputes them. Who makes the claims has zero impact of the validity of those claims.

 

This guy is using the "appeal to authority" logical fallacy to support what he says.

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4 minutes ago, Miska said:

 

Why would it matter how the data ended up in the memory?

 

And player shouldn't clock out anything. It is DAC that clocks in data...

 

 

Bingo!

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11 minutes ago, Hugo9000 said:

I would never buy anything from PS Audio after reading their bullshit about their DMP.  Sorry, liars, your product is nothing special regarding use as a 'transport' for SACD.  Denon was offering affordable players that were permitted by Sony & Co. to output raw DSD via their DenonLink.  Denon did this as far back as 2005.  So PS takes innards from Oppo, substitutes a few things and then pretends they are "one of the first" to do something that has been done for well over a decade...blech.  Of course, certain types of "audiophiles" and the "press" let them get away with this because a brand like Denon is considered "junk" and unworthy of notice lmao.  If your product is good, let it stand on its actual merits without lies and distortions.

 

Of course, a PS Audio apologist might point out that their product is only a transport, while the Denon units all had onboard DACs that could also output analog multichannel and not just the raw digital DSD via Denon Link 3rd, so the Denons were all "players" and not "transports" haha!  If anything, however, it makes Denon all the more remarkable for negotiating with Sony to include such a feature on mainstream products with reasonable prices, and at such an early date.

 

From May of 2005:

https://usa.denon.com/us/news/archive/7

 

There were also players that could output DSD over HDMI long before PS Audio's product came out, going back to 2012 or earlier, but I don't recall which brands.

 

I don’t think anyone here cares about your disdain for PS Audio. Your wall of text looks like a vindictive rant. 

 

The only PS Audio product I would consider buying is their DirectStream DAC and that was designed by Ted Smith who is an absolute genius and not a PS Audio employee.

 

I would never buy a CD player from them. I don’t think I would a CD player from anyone as I much prefer streaming ripped content. 

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8 hours ago, The_K-Man said:

". I don’t think I would a CD player from anyone as I

much prefer streaming ripped content"

 

Spoken like a true millennial.  

 

Streaming for me is a convenience when on vacation, and it still has a ways to go to match the fidelity of Red Book CD.  At home and in the car, it's a combination of CDs and the phone for me - wired of course, into the Aux jack, or at home through a vacant tape-in, not Blue Tooth.  

 

You might want to read the “streaming ripped content” text again and figure out what that means. 

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9 hours ago, Miska said:

 

It may not be the streaming, but the different mastering... For example one of the very early CD releases of Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon is best, then second is the first SACD release. And the newest "remastered" version is the worst... Also the first CD version of Meddle is better than the latest.

 

Loudness wars have killed lot of good music.

 

 

I actually prefer the MFSL mastering of DSOTM to that early Harvest release you mention. The 2011 mastering is actually really good too.

 

I have spent the last year collecting the best CD masterings of the CDs in my collection and added a bunch of new CDs too. After doing this for a while, I am of the opinion that mastering choice is extremely important. So important because getting the wrong mastering can make a great system sound pedestrian. In fact, a bad mastering can make a great system sound worse than a decent system playing a good mastering.

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13 minutes ago, The_K-Man said:

 

I'm from the 20th century.  I don't need to know what all that means.  

 

I do rip tracks from my CDs into mp3 & wave in iTunes, then transfer the tracks to my iPod and iPhone.  

 

I would assume "streaming ripped content" means to access files ripped from CD that are stored remotely, in the Cloud, etc.  Either way it doesn't matter as I do not use the 'Cloud', being as I am, from the 20th century.

 

You might want to bring your knowledge level up a bit BEFORE you criticize solutions and technologies you do not understand.

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16 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Yes. "Bad ones" are just recordings put down with no concern for the 'sensitivities' of the playback equipment . "Good recordings" are the Politically Correct ones, they have been painstakingly doctored so that they offend no-one, no matter how 'bad' the status of their playback rig is . And the ones that become very, very boring when one has a competent system - like gulping down large slabs of strained baby food.

 

Thank God for Bad Recordings! They have given me immense pleasure for the years, because they take no prisoners; all the excitement of intensely felt music making is bound up in them - may there be no "Auntie" music in heaven!

 

What are you talking about? You prattle on and say nothing of consequence of value with much of what you say just plain wrong.

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17 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

dBPlus Canada 880 2-ways

 

Seriously? I can find better speakers at K-Mart....

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1 hour ago, The_K-Man said:

 

Thank you for breaking that down.

 

As for the MP3 vs higher res audio files, I encode MP3 at higher rates.  If I encoded at 128kb all the time, I'd have no excuse to complain. I chose that low bitrate, now I have to eat it, or, re-encode at higher MP3 rates or go to another lossy format.

 

At the same rate. AAC is better than MP3 by quite a bit. In fact, MP3 is dead....and AAC is just plain better.

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1 hour ago, fas42 said:

 

Distortion ... which varies with time. Objectivists are obsessed with the static nature of a system - that it is must be time-invariant! - sorry, boys and girls, the real world isn't so kindergarten like; the parameters that matter can alter over time - to put it another way, audio systems do have memory; how they behave depends upon what occurred earlier. The silly thing is, they accept this to be the case in some situations - but resolutely refuse to consider it in other areas ... a good, "accepted" circumstance is that power amplifiers should be cooked before testing; rev the guts out of them for a certain period, so that "the results are accurate" - I roll my eyes ...

 

...and anyone who reads this rubbish rolls their eyes!

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27 minutes ago, fas42 said:

Okay, no-one is able to pick it so far ... why am I not surprised ... ?

 

Because you live in an alternate reality where the physics that relate to sound and electronics operate on different foundational principles?