Lies about vinyl vs digital

[firedog]

43 minutes ago, Blake said:

 

Hey GUTB.  You have put a lot of thought, time, effort and money into your computer setup.  If we were to roll back the clock a few years, your computer setup might have been competitive.  I am sure it still sounds nice.  However, I would wager that even an entry level device such as a MicroRendu with a decent LPS would easily beat your computer setup.    

 

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There are probably less than 20 people on CA with better digital source systems than what I have

 

 

More GUTB self aggrandizing fantasy. There are multiple people who participate just in this thread who have better digital setups than his. What GUTB usually says to dismiss other peoples systems - “mid fi” - could  be reasonably applied by several members here to his DAC and source if they were into comparisons and wanted to put him down. 

[firedog]

30 minutes ago, GUTB said:

 

I watched the video. A crappy DR8 Redbook file got transformed into a DR12 vinyl cut by no other cause than being cut to vinyl. The fact he couldn’t hear that much a difference on his crappy digital system isn’t that relevant.

Yeah we understand that you know more about it than the guy who mastered the album and prepared both the CD and vinyl for release. 

[firedog]

Sony just announced a super high end headphone amp/dac. the DMP-Z1, that will sell for $8000. It can also accept a USB input from a computer. Here's a description of one of the many features: 

Vinyl Processor

Give the warmth and character of vinyl back to your digital tracks, and get lost again in the richness of the melodies and dynamics of your favorite albums. Subtle reproduction of the low-frequency resonance, tone-arm resistance, and surface noise deliver an authentic listening experience.

 

Sony apparently didn't intend any irony. But basically they said, "we'll add back in the noise and distortion you hear when playing an LP, so you can be happy with the sound"

[firedog]

18 minutes ago, ajay556 said:

I think its safe to say new music is recorded digitally and probably playing it in vinyl, CD or file based will not make much difference in sound quality just what one's preference is. But if its old music vinyl hands down will sound better. Moreover, if there is a 45 rpm version it will definitely sound better than CD or file based.

You are entitled to your opinion/taste. Not everyone agrees with “hands down”, “better”, or necessarily even at all.

[firedog]

2 hours ago, Rexp said:

Interesting that this chain won best of show at Axpona: turntable->Seta phono preamplifier->Lynx Hilo ADC->Mac Mini/Pure Vinyl->Lynx Hilo DAC directly driving the power amplifiers>vandersteen speakers. The live AD/DA apparently sounded way better than the stored files. 

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/axpona-2019-analog-sources/

 

 

If that is true then a needle drop of those files made with the Lynx should sound just as good. 

[firedog]

39 minutes ago, JoeWhip said:

When I hear folks like MF claim that digital is flat, hard and lifeless compared to vinyl, I just shake my head and wonder what he is listening too. I have had vinyl guys over to hear my room and they are godsmacked with how great digital can sound, especially well mastered cds. There are many wonderful sounding DACS available and some great playback software. Good equipment and a great room environment will get you great sound these days.

A bit unfair about MF. He has a great digital (SACD) setup. He doesn't dislike digital. He dislikes CD. He likes lots of hi-res and has even said there are hi-res versions of albums he prefers to the vinyl version, or at least thinks they are the equal. 

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9 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

Could it be said that some amount of Fremer's notoriety comes from his disdain for CDs?  I think even if he heard a CD he liked that he would be reluctant to taint his legacy.

 

He has CD's he likes. But I think he always will say the vinyl version sounds better. Even if it is from a digital source.

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On 1/20/2020 at 8:03 PM, tmtomh said:

And there's the early 2000s DVD-A and SACD mastering, which is really excellent.

That DVD is really good sounding, IMO.

Here's the DR result:

log date: 2020-01-24 18:20:10

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Analyzed: Fleetwood Mac / Rumours - 96k from DVD-A
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR9       -0.18 dB   -11.81 dB      2:44 01-Second Hand News
DR11       0.00 dB   -13.23 dB      4:15 02-Dreams
DR14       0.00 dB   -16.38 dB      2:03 03-Never Going Back Again
DR9        0.00 dB   -10.12 dB      3:12 04-Don't Stop
DR8        0.00 dB    -9.56 dB      3:39 05-Go Your Own Way
DR10       0.00 dB   -13.50 dB      4:33 06-Silver Springs
DR11       0.00 dB   -14.39 dB      4:27 07-The Chain
DR9        0.00 dB   -11.59 dB      3:32 08-You Make Loving Fun
DR10       0.00 dB   -12.13 dB      3:13 09-I Don't Want To Know
DR11       0.00 dB   -14.54 dB      3:55 10-Oh Daddy
DR10       0.00 dB   -13.34 dB      5:08 11-Gold Dust Woman
DR14      -0.11 dB   -19.18 dB      3:23 12-Songbird
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Yes, there's some volume limiting, but not too much.