SACD Ripping using an Oppo or Pioneer? Yes, it's true!

[HiRezGuy]

This is a good process that can be used with more recent HW (OPPO, Pioneer). Thanks for the effort!

I bought a Pioneer Elite BDP-80FD from Best Buy recently specifically for the SACD process. I used sacd_extract.exe (v0.3.8_win32) with the --output-iso option over wifi and created about 125 iso's from SACD so far. I average about 3.12gb per iso image across the 125 SACDs I have processed. The largest one-disc image was over 5gb - DGG Bernstein West Side Story; the smallest was about 900mb - RCA LS Munch Ravel Daphnis. The best throughput I see is about 1.12mb/s; it can also go lower depending on traffic, etc. Now, I have about 125+ iso images on a drive - Telarc, AP, RCA LS, Everest, MFSL, BIS, CSO-R, SFS Media, Esoteric, SHM-SACD, Sony (legacy), etc.

I used sacd_extract.exe (v0.3.8_win32) with the --input option to create stereo DSF files. When the SACD iso image also had a multi-channel area, I processed the iso with the --mch-tracks option. For any particular SACD iso image I have created so far, I have stereo DSF files, and when applicable, multi-channel DSF files. All DSF files are staged in folders created by sacd_extract.exe based on the SACD artist/title metadata.

My question is this: why is the throughput when extracting from an already extracted SACD iso that is on some drive so variant? For example, I mostly get >20mb/s throughput for stereo DSF file extraction - sometimes not, however. I always get ~1mb/s throughput for multi-channel DSF file extraction. See logs in rar file at link.

 

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g2r2qeqfbtv1bfz/sacd_extract.exe---Win10---iso_to_dsf_logs.rar?dl=1

 

Thanks again - very cool process.
 

[bogi]

12 minutes ago, HiRezGuy said:

My question is this: why is the throughput when extracting from an already extracted SACD iso that is on some drive so variant? For example, I mostly get >20mb/s throughput for stereo DSF file extraction - sometimes not, however. I always get ~1mb/s throughput for multi-channel DSF file extraction. See logs in rar file at link.

The ISO extraction speed is lower when extracting from DST compressed SACDs. That's valid for both mch and stereo tracks. So not mch and stereo determines the extraction speed, but the fact if DST compression is used.

[John Knoepfle]

I recently bought a Pioneer Elite BDP-80FD and have been trying to rip my first SACD but can't get it to work.   I've gone through all of the pages on this topic and have a few questions.

I believe I'm half way there because when I plug in my USB stick the Pioneer's drawer does open as expected.  I put in the SACD and close the tray.   Note that I have disabled auto-play and memory play on the Pioneer as required.  Once the tray is closed the Pioneer displays "SACD".

I have verified that the files on the USB are in the correct AutoScript folder and the checksums are also correct.

When I try to run sacd_extract on my PC it fails.  I've also tried the Sonore iso2dsd gui and I get the well known error "Failed to connect libsacdread: Can't open 192.168.1.130:2002 for reading".   I've set that IP address as the fixed address for the Pioneer and have verified that I can ping it.   I've also verified that via my router admin console and the Pioneer's MAC address is at IP address 192.168.1.130. So I'm confident that the IP address is correct for the player.

I've noticed that when I run sacd_extract on the IP address of my Pioneer, it fails instantly--within a second or two so I'm assuming it sees the Pioneer and tries to connect but it fails for some reason.  Just in playing around and trying to debug, I've tried sacd_extract and iso2dsd pointed to a bogus IP address and in that case, the failure takes at least 30-45 seconds to fail--I'm guessing its a time-out failure since nothing is listening at that bogus address.  So that tells me the failure is different when I point sacd_extract at my Pioneer. 

So basically, it seems to me like my USB is ok since the tray opens as expected and sacd_extract sees the Pioneer (i.e. its not the wrong IP address).   I've checked my anti-virus and firewall settings to make sure port 2002 and sacd_extract are not blocked.  I've also tried disabling my firewall for a few minutes just to be sure and that didn't make a difference.  I've run tracert and that seems fine with less than 1ms response times which I expect since the Pioneer and PC are both on the same router.

I've tried telneting to the Pioneer on port 23 but that fails.  I also tried telneting to port 2002 and that fails too.  

I know firmware versions shouldn't make a difference but just to be safe I verified that my player has the same firmware version as a friend of mine does who has this working on the Pioneer.   So firmware version definitely should be fine.

I've also tried having the Pioneer play the SACD just to make sure its not a case where it is having trouble reading the disc.

So, finally, here are my questions:

• Has anyone had this scenario where the tray opens as expected, IP address is correct, Pioneer options are set correctly, but sacd_extract still fails to start ripping?
• I can try another USB but since the tray is opening I'm guessing the USB is ok, anyone disagree with that?  In other words, have there been any reported cases where the tray opens correctly but the USB is still causing problems?
• Any ideas on other things to debug that maybe I missed in reading this long thread?

Thanks for any new ideas!

[Solstice380]

Just to verify, you said BDP-80FD correct?  I believe the SACD extraction only works with the chipsets in the 93/103 and 95/105 series machines.  Search the earlier pages of this thread and you'll find the models of the Mediatek (I believe) chipsets that work.  

[pl_svn]

4 minutes ago, Solstice380 said:

Just to verify, you said BDP-80FD correct?  I believe the SACD extraction only works with the chipsets in the 93/103 and 95/105 series machines.  Search the earlier pages of this thread and you'll find the models of the Mediatek (I believe) chipsets that work.  

BDP-80F is the US version of Pioneer BDP-170

[Solstice380]

Just now, pl_svn said:

BDP-80F is the US version of Pioneer BDP-170

Does that one work?  Sorry for the confusion if it does. 

[unfrostedpoptart]

3 minutes ago, Solstice380 said:

Does that one work?  Sorry for the confusion if it does. 

Yes.  I bought one a few months ago and it works great for ripping SACDs using my MacBook Pro.

This is what I bought:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LIQST6W

[HiRezGuy]

2 hours ago, John Knoepfle said:

I recently bought a Pioneer Elite BDP-80FD and have been trying to rip my first SACD but can't get it to work.   I've gone through all of the pages on this topic and have a few questions.

I believe I'm half way there because when I plug in my USB stick the Pioneer's drawer does open as expected.  I put in the SACD and close the tray.   Note that I have disabled auto-play and memory play on the Pioneer as required.  Once the tray is closed the Pioneer displays "SACD".

I have verified that the files on the USB are in the correct AutoScript folder and the checksums are also correct.

When I try to run sacd_extract on my PC it fails.  I've also tried the Sonore iso2dsd gui and I get the well known error "Failed to connect libsacdread: Can't open 192.168.1.130:2002 for reading".   I've set that IP address as the fixed address for the Pioneer and have verified that I can ping it.   I've also verified that via my router admin console and the Pioneer's MAC address is at IP address 192.168.1.130. So I'm confident that the IP address is correct for the player.

I've noticed that when I run sacd_extract on the IP address of my Pioneer, it fails instantly--within a second or two so I'm assuming it sees the Pioneer and tries to connect but it fails for some reason.  Just in playing around and trying to debug, I've tried sacd_extract and iso2dsd pointed to a bogus IP address and in that case, the failure takes at least 30-45 seconds to fail--I'm guessing its a time-out failure since nothing is listening at that bogus address.  So that tells me the failure is different when I point sacd_extract at my Pioneer. 

So basically, it seems to me like my USB is ok since the tray opens as expected and sacd_extract sees the Pioneer (i.e. its not the wrong IP address).   I've checked my anti-virus and firewall settings to make sure port 2002 and sacd_extract are not blocked.  I've also tried disabling my firewall for a few minutes just to be sure and that didn't make a difference.  I've run tracert and that seems fine with less than 1ms response times which I expect since the Pioneer and PC are both on the same router.

I've tried telneting to the Pioneer on port 23 but that fails.  I also tried telneting to port 2002 and that fails too.  

I know firmware versions shouldn't make a difference but just to be safe I verified that my player has the same firmware version as a friend of mine does who has this working on the Pioneer.   So firmware version definitely should be fine.

I've also tried having the Pioneer play the SACD just to make sure its not a case where it is having trouble reading the disc.

So, finally, here are my questions:

• Has anyone had this scenario where the tray opens as expected, IP address is correct, Pioneer options are set correctly, but sacd_extract still fails to start ripping?
• I can try another USB but since the tray is opening I'm guessing the USB is ok, anyone disagree with that?  In other words, have there been any reported cases where the tray opens correctly but the USB is still causing problems?
• Any ideas on other things to debug that maybe I missed in reading this long thread?

Thanks for any new ideas!

Pioneer elite bdp80-fd --- just confirming. 

 

Go go to settings > network & internet > wifi > sharing options -- make sure network discovery is enabled. 

 

Reboot pc & Bdp  

 

Open network (network neighborhood) -- make sure pc sees pioneer. Right click pioneer -- confirm IP address. 

[John Knoepfle]

1 hour ago, unfrostedpoptart said:

Yes.  I bought one a few months ago and it works great for ripping SACDs using my MacBook Pro.

This is what I bought:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LIQST6W

Yes, that is exactly what I bought too, also from Amazon.   

[HiRezGuy]

3 hours ago, bogi said:

The ISO extraction speed is lower when extracting from DST compressed SACDs. That's valid for both mch and stereo tracks. So not mch and stereo determines the extraction speed, but the fact if DST compression is used.

 

Thanks for your insights. 

[John Knoepfle]

9 minutes ago, HiRezGuy said:

Pioneer elite bdp80-fd --- just confirming. 

 

Go go to settings > network & internet > wifi > sharing options -- make sure network discovery is enabled. 

 

Reboot pc & Bdp  

 

Open network (network neighborhood) -- make sure pc sees pioneer. Right click pioneer -- confirm IP address. 

Yes, correct, it is the Pioneer elite bdp80-fd.

I have confirmed that the Pioneer shows up as a device in network neighborhood and the IP Address is correct.

 

[Jarmo]

2 hours ago, John Knoepfle said:

I recently bought a Pioneer Elite BDP-80FD and have been trying to rip my first SACD but can't get it to work.   I've gone through all of the pages on this topic and have a few questions.

I believe I'm half way there because when I plug in my USB stick the Pioneer's drawer does open as expected.  I put in the SACD and close the tray.   Note that I have disabled auto-play and memory play on the Pioneer as required.  Once the tray is closed the Pioneer displays "SACD".

I have verified that the files on the USB are in the correct AutoScript folder and the checksums are also correct.

When I try to run sacd_extract on my PC it fails.  I've also tried the Sonore iso2dsd gui and I get the well known error "Failed to connect libsacdread: Can't open 192.168.1.130:2002 for reading".   I've set that IP address as the fixed address for the Pioneer and have verified that I can ping it.   I've also verified that via my router admin console and the Pioneer's MAC address is at IP address 192.168.1.130. So I'm confident that the IP address is correct for the player.

I've noticed that when I run sacd_extract on the IP address of my Pioneer, it fails instantly--within a second or two so I'm assuming it sees the Pioneer and tries to connect but it fails for some reason.  Just in playing around and trying to debug, I've tried sacd_extract and iso2dsd pointed to a bogus IP address and in that case, the failure takes at least 30-45 seconds to fail--I'm guessing its a time-out failure since nothing is listening at that bogus address.  So that tells me the failure is different when I point sacd_extract at my Pioneer. 

So basically, it seems to me like my USB is ok since the tray opens as expected and sacd_extract sees the Pioneer (i.e. its not the wrong IP address).   I've checked my anti-virus and firewall settings to make sure port 2002 and sacd_extract are not blocked.  I've also tried disabling my firewall for a few minutes just to be sure and that didn't make a difference.  I've run tracert and that seems fine with less than 1ms response times which I expect since the Pioneer and PC are both on the same router.

I've tried telneting to the Pioneer on port 23 but that fails.  I also tried telneting to port 2002 and that fails too.  

I know firmware versions shouldn't make a difference but just to be safe I verified that my player has the same firmware version as a friend of mine does who has this working on the Pioneer.   So firmware version definitely should be fine.

I've also tried having the Pioneer play the SACD just to make sure its not a case where it is having trouble reading the disc.

So, finally, here are my questions:

• Has anyone had this scenario where the tray opens as expected, IP address is correct, Pioneer options are set correctly, but sacd_extract still fails to start ripping?
• I can try another USB but since the tray is opening I'm guessing the USB is ok, anyone disagree with that?  In other words, have there been any reported cases where the tray opens correctly but the USB is still causing problems?
• Any ideas on other things to debug that maybe I missed in reading this long thread?

Thanks for any new ideas!

I don't have the Pioneer but Cambridge 752BD, but I had exactly the same problem than you. Everything seemed to be right, but the ripping didn't start. I tried another USB, and well, everything I could imagine. But I found a solution, which shouldn't work, but it does and since then I have ripped over 300 sacds. At least in Cambridge there is an option My network, which should be on and then your computer sees your player. BUT, for some reason it doesn't work that way with my player and system. It has to be OFF!! Don't ask why, I don't know. Maybe someone does. Anyway, it doesn't pay much to try this trick. Hope it works for you, too.

[BlueSkyy]

2 hours ago, Solstice380 said:

Just to verify, you said BDP-80FD correct?  I believe the SACD extraction only works with the chipsets in the 93/103 and 95/105 series machines.  Search the earlier pages of this thread and you'll find the models of the Mediatek (I believe) chipsets that work.  

I had an Oppo BDP-95 and it wouldn't work so I traded for a 103.

[John Knoepfle]

46 minutes ago, Jarmo said:

I don't have the Pioneer but Cambridge 752BD, but I had exactly the same problem than you. Everything seemed to be right, but the ripping didn't start. I tried another USB, and well, everything I could imagine. But I found a solution, which shouldn't work, but it does and since then I have ripped over 300 sacds. At least in Cambridge there is an option My network, which should be on and then your computer sees your player. BUT, for some reason it doesn't work that way with my player and system. It has to be OFF!! Don't ask why, I don't know. Maybe someone does. Anyway, it doesn't pay much to try this trick. Hope it works for you, too.

I don't see a similar setting on the Pioneer.   I did try disabling DLNA but it didn't make any difference.

It sounds like you did have a similar situation where the tray was opening but you couldn't connect, correct?

[HiRezGuy]

20 minutes ago, John Knoepfle said:

I don't see a similar setting on the Pioneer.   I did try disabling DLNA but it didn't make any difference.

It sounds like you did have a similar situation where the tray was opening but you couldn't connect, correct?

If you haven't already: Under the bdp80-fd setup screen ensure auto play and auto resume are disabled. Also, disable dynamic ip addresses. 

If you see the bdp-80fd in network, then the unit is on the net and the pc sees it -- ping unit to ensure.

Make sure you are using autoscript for bdp-80fd.

 

Disconnect all USB devices from bdp-80fd other than autoscript drive.

 

Check your firewall settings to make sure the bdp is allowed to be accessed.

 

[ted_b]

No Oppo series 8x or 9x are included in this ripping capability.

[Jud]

38 minutes ago, John Knoepfle said:

I don't see a similar setting on the Pioneer.   I did try disabling DLNA but it didn't make any difference.

It sounds like you did have a similar situation where the tray was opening but you couldn't connect, correct?

I had exactly the same problem with a BDP80-FD. 

Search this thread for the files and method to use with the Pioneer BDP-160.  That worked for me.

[John Knoepfle]

18 minutes ago, HiRezGuy said:

If you haven't already: Under the bdp80-fd setup screen ensure auto play and auto resume are disabled. Also, disable dynamic ip addresses. 

If you see the bdp-80fd in network, then the unit is on the net and the pc sees it -- ping unit to ensure.

Make sure you are using autoscript for bdp-80fd.

 

Disconnect all USB devices from bdp-80fd other than autoscript drive.

 

Check your firewall settings to make sure the bdp is allowed to be accessed.

 

@HiRezGuy

Check on all those items:

• Auto play and Auto Resume are disabled
• Dynamic IP addresses are disabled and IP address is fixed to 192.168.1.130
• PC sees the Pioneer in Network Neighborhood and I can ping it.
• All other USB devices are disconnected from the bdp-80fd.
• Firewall settings have been checked and I've tried with the firewall disabled.

In addition, I just formatted a new USB FAT32 and tried that.

Still no joy.

The AutoScript folder I'm using has these MD5 Sums, 

85fcb3f87931eac271aefcfa58ab5c7d *AutoScript
85fcb3f87931eac271aefcfa58ab5c7d *AutoScript.TSS
14b531b622c92dfe159cf36cff954e5a *sacd_extract
 

You mentioned making sure I have the right autoscript for the bdp80fd.   Is there a different one for it?  I'm using the one frequently referenced in this topic with the above checksums.

[pl_svn]

15 minutes ago, John Knoepfle said:

You mentioned making sure I have the right autoscript for the bdp80fd.   Is there a different one for it?  I'm using the one frequently referenced in this topic with the above checksums.

there's a post in this thread with a link to a sacd_extract version for Pioneer BDP-160 : that's the one I'm successfully using with my BDP-170

[HiRezGuy]

49 minutes ago, pl_svn said:

there's a post in this thread with a link to a sacd_extract version for Pioneer BDP-160 : that's the one I'm successfully using with my BDP-170

The proper Autoscript folder files for the bdp-80fd is in an archive called "SACD-extract-BDP160.zip" -- use that one and you'll be good. 

[John Knoepfle]

5 hours ago, HiRezGuy said:

The proper Autoscript folder files for the bdp-80fd is in an archive called "SACD-extract-BDP160.zip" -- use that one and you'll be good. 

@HiRezGuy and @pl_svn

 

Thank you both for pointing me in the right direction.  The SACD-extract-BDP160.zip did the trick.  As soon as I switched to those files everything worked beautifully.   I just ripped my first SACD and played it successfully--sounds terrific.

 

I thought I had covered everything going through the messages in this thread but somehow I missed the fact that I needed the BDP160 files for the bdp-80fd.   

 

As so many folks have said before me, what a great forum.  Thanks again for taking the time to share your knowledge.

 

[Solstice380]

I missed that the 80/160 needed a tweaked extract program.  Glad the guys got you going.  It's a really painless way to rip SACDs isn't it?

[John Knoepfle]

37 minutes ago, Solstice380 said:

I missed that the 80/160 needed a tweaked extract program.  Glad the guys got you going.  It's a really painless way to rip SACDs isn't it?

Glad I wasn't the only one that missed it

 

I totally agree, it is painless and I'm looking forward to finally being able to add my SACDs to my music server!   Now that I have the ripping working, I will re-read this thread to look for best practices and tips on tagging, organizing, and playback.

 

Thanks again.

[MikeyFresh]

I pulled the trigger on a Cambridge CXU to supplement my existing Pioneer BDP-80fd ripping set-up.

While hardly palatable at $799, the CXU is a really well-made machine and I couldn't pass up the current $600 discounted from retail close-out pricing.

I should have bought an Oppo BDP-103 when they were $499, but that ship has now unfortunately sailed.

Using a nearly identical SanDisk Cruzer 8GB thumb drive as I am on the Pioneer, I loaded the Oppo-specific files and after the initial set-up menus in the player I was ripping away.

I then tested two rips running at once, one upstairs on the existing BDP-80fd to Mac mini set, and the other downstairs on the CXU to a MacBook Air.

Bingo, two for one ripping with the added bonus of extra exercise, lots of running up and down the steps for 2 hours monitoring and changing discs, I did about 26GB worth of rips over a couple of hours before getting tired and shutting down for the night.

Unlike the Pioneer which I have reserved exclusively for SACD ripping duties, the CXU will assume a multitasking role in my living room video-based system.

If you can stomach the $799, the CXU comes highly recommended as a nice quality machine (just my initial impression only time will tell) with supposedly enhanced power supply and analog output stage as compared to the Oppo BDP-10x units.

[Tkgamer]

As I bought the 2003 dsotm sacd and I need a new blueray player anyway, I want to buy one of the pioneer bdp-160 or 170. Does it matter wether it is the standard, the -s or -k variant?