audiventory Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 7 hours ago, bnbayer said: Not too many years ago 24/44 was the best [PCM] you could do, and SACD was the only way to release it in better than CD sound. SACD contains only D64 sample rate. It is most hard implementation of DSD. I'd call it as entry level in format by achieved value of noise floor. For me, as developer, implementation of D64 vs. D128 comparable with implementation 44/16 and 24/96. I.e. for better implementation of lower resolutions need more skills and efforts. In 44/16 we balance between ringing and stop band suppression (aliases). In D64 we balanced between unstability of modulator and lower noise floor in audible range. For higher resolutions do it simpler. Jud 1 AuI ConverteR 48x44 - HD audio converter/optimizer for DAC of high resolution files ISO, DSF, DFF (1-bit/D64/128/256/512/1024), wav, flac, aiff, alac, safe CD ripper to PCM/DSF, Seamless Album Conversion, AIFF, WAV, FLAC, DSF metadata editor, Mac & WindowsOffline conversion save energy and nature Link to comment
frfrtx Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Am about to attempt to rip my first SACD with a Pioneer Elite BDP-80FD. Assuming I successfully get a copy of the ISO onto my Windows 10 PC, am I better off using the sacd_extract program to convert the ISO to .dsf files or to use the iso2dsdgui.exe? I know the instructions say to use the sacd_extract program in a batch file; but I have never done this before; and also haven't ever written my own batch file before. Thanks in advance for answering what may be a simple (and obvious) question? Link to comment
kokishin Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, frfrtx said: Am about to attempt to rip my first SACD with a Pioneer Elite BDP-80FD. Assuming I successfully get a copy of the ISO onto my Windows 10 PC, am I better off using the sacd_extract program to convert the ISO to .dsf files or to use the iso2dsdgui.exe? I know the instructions say to use the sacd_extract program in a batch file; but I have never done this before; and also haven't ever written my own batch file before. Thanks in advance for answering what may be a simple (and obvious) question? I've used both. I recommend iso2dsd_gui.exe for both: - the extraction from my oppo 103 to my pc of the sacd iso, and - converting the iso to dsf. IOW, there is no reason that I'm aware of to use sacd_extract.exe. Link to comment
ted_b Posted April 5, 2017 Author Share Posted April 5, 2017 frfrtx, the basis of any of these ISO2DSD programs is, in fact, sacd_extract. There is no reason to use the command line interface when Sonore and Bogi have written either a GUI (ISO2DSD) or a workflow (ISO2DSF) that simplifies this. MikeyFresh 1 "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
frfrtx Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, kokishin said: I've used both. I recommend iso2dsd_gui.exe for both: - the extraction from my oppo 103 to my pc of the sacd iso, and - converting the iso to dsf. IOW, there is no reason that I'm aware of to use sacd_extract.exe. Thanks for the reply and assistance. Link to comment
frfrtx Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 1 minute ago, ted_b said: frfrtx, the basis of any of these ISO2DSD programs is, in fact, sacd_extract. There is no reason to use the command line interface when Sonore and Bogi have written either a GUI (ISO2DSD) or a workflow (ISO2DSF) that simplifies this. Thanks for the clarification that sacd_extract is in both ISO2DSD and ISO2DSF. Link to comment
HiRezGuy Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Just now, ted_b said: frfrtx, the basis of any of these ISO2DSD programs is, in fact, sacd_extract. There is no reason to use the command line interface when Sonore and Bogi have written either a GUI (ISO2DSD) or a workflow (ISO2DSF) that simplifies this. One of the guis uses java. Both guis are an interface to sacd_extract.exe -- they system call to sacd_extarct.exe. Sacd_extract.exe will be on your system either way you do it. The instructions I provided are a collection of the information in this thread pertinent to the pioneer elite BDp-80d. Nothing more. I offered advice on processing many sacd isos at once using a batch script. Neither GUI can do that either. I did not offer my scripts bc it's more advanced than most users in this thread can handle. (Ps: is this why all the evasiveness regarding my perl mp3::tag question? ) Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 36 minutes ago, HiRezGuy said: I offered advice on processing many sacd isos at once using a batch script. Neither GUI can do that either. I did not offer my scripts bc it's more advanced than most users in this thread can handle. Actually, I have used multiple iterations of both GUIs in parallel but, of course, they then must share computer resources. Using a batch files, they run serially. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
audiventory Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Some ISOs have long track and/or performer and/or album names. Also metadata may contains non-English symbols. Some files contains non-English symbols in path. These issues can cause stop work of sacd_extract.exe utility. For avoiding it need especial processing. Sometimes stop processing (hanging sacd_extract) occur due, as I suppose, damaging ISO image or some ISO ripping issues. For that case, if you extracted multichannel tracks, need try extract stereo tracks, or contrary. Also other extracting issues described here http://samplerateconverter.com/content/how-convert-iso-dsf-wav-flac-aiff-without-clicks-user-manual#input-files-is-compressed Robert van Diggele 1 AuI ConverteR 48x44 - HD audio converter/optimizer for DAC of high resolution files ISO, DSF, DFF (1-bit/D64/128/256/512/1024), wav, flac, aiff, alac, safe CD ripper to PCM/DSF, Seamless Album Conversion, AIFF, WAV, FLAC, DSF metadata editor, Mac & WindowsOffline conversion save energy and nature Link to comment
bogi Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 On 4/5/2017 at 3:25 AM, HiRezGuy said: Nice. Sorry for the sloppiness. I meant perl mp3::tag, which is what your code looked like. (I did a project about 10 years ago with mp3::tag. Seeing your code snippet got me thinking about recycling some old code to tag wavs on the fly within this whole sacd-iso-dsf-others process.) Understood. I didn't expect someone will be familiar with mp3::tag here. The only my experience with mp3::tag is for DSF. I didn't try it with WAV files. i7 11850H + RTX A2000 Win11 HQPlayer ► Topping HS02 ► 2x iFi iSilencer ► SMSL D300 ► DIY headamp DHA1 ► HiFiMan HE-500 Link to comment
bobverens Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 On 4/6/2017 at 2:25 PM, bogi said: Understood. I didn't expect someone will be familiar with mp3::tag here. The only my experience with mp3::tag is for DSF. I didn't try it with WAV files. Mp3tag won't work with wav files, you can't metadata to them. It works with DSF, AAC, AIFF, FLAC, APE, MP3, MPEG-4, MPC, OGG, OptimFROG OFR, OFS, SPX, TAK, TTA, WMA, WAV, WV. It's a wonderful tagging tool, I used it almost daily. Link to comment
bogi Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 MP3::Tag is Perl module, it is something quite different than Mp3tag GUI tool. Please do not mix that ... 1 hour ago, bobverens said: Mp3tag won't work with wav files, you can't metadata to them. It works with DSF, AAC, AIFF, FLAC, APE, MP3, MPEG-4, MPC, OGG, OptimFROG OFR, OFS, SPX, TAK, TTA, WMA, WAV, WV. It's a wonderful tagging tool, I used it almost daily. Mp3tag works with WAV files ... JediJoker 1 i7 11850H + RTX A2000 Win11 HQPlayer ► Topping HS02 ► 2x iFi iSilencer ► SMSL D300 ► DIY headamp DHA1 ► HiFiMan HE-500 Link to comment
audiventory Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, bogi said: MP3::Tag is Perl module, it is something quite different than Mp3tag GUI tool. Please do not mix that ... Mp3tag works with WAV files ... As I remenber, iTunes can't read it, but AIFF's id3 can. WAV is very flexible format. AuI ConverteR 48x44 - HD audio converter/optimizer for DAC of high resolution files ISO, DSF, DFF (1-bit/D64/128/256/512/1024), wav, flac, aiff, alac, safe CD ripper to PCM/DSF, Seamless Album Conversion, AIFF, WAV, FLAC, DSF metadata editor, Mac & WindowsOffline conversion save energy and nature Link to comment
bogi Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I'm not using Apple iProducts ... expect of my 10 years old iPod where I installed free Rockbox firmware so it behaves like ordinary portable player. foobar2000, JRiver, HQPlayer, etc. work fine with tagged WAV files. i7 11850H + RTX A2000 Win11 HQPlayer ► Topping HS02 ► 2x iFi iSilencer ► SMSL D300 ► DIY headamp DHA1 ► HiFiMan HE-500 Link to comment
audiventory Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, bogi said: I'm not using Apple iProducts ... expect of my 10 years old iPod where I installed free Rockbox firmware so it behaves like ordinary portable player. foobar2000, JRiver, HQPlayer, etc. work fine with tagged WAV files. However, as far as I know, people uses standard Windows players too. AuI ConverteR 48x44 - HD audio converter/optimizer for DAC of high resolution files ISO, DSF, DFF (1-bit/D64/128/256/512/1024), wav, flac, aiff, alac, safe CD ripper to PCM/DSF, Seamless Album Conversion, AIFF, WAV, FLAC, DSF metadata editor, Mac & WindowsOffline conversion save energy and nature Link to comment
wanthalf Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Hi, thanks, this discovery really made my day as an owner of Oppo BDP-105EU! :-) Everything works for me, but I would like to know if there is more known about the player's system. Unfortunately, running /usr/sbin/telnetd does not work for me (yes, I tried the appropriate script). Does anyone know how to start the telnetd on Oppo? Is there any documentation (maybe just reverse-engineered?) concerning settings such as these: CLI_drv.ir.rx.sq 0xaf000 CLI_app.vfdmg.b clear_msg CLI_app.vfdmg.b scroll_msg start aso.? Any idea, what environment the player has (so that one could compile own binaries, maybe?). Link to comment
pl_svn Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 ... oops... wrong thread Qnap HS-264 NAS (powered by an HD-Plex 100w LPS) > Cirrus7 Nimbini v2.5 Media Edition i7-8559U/32/512 running Roon ROCK (powered by a Keces P8 LPS) > Lumin U2 > Metrum Acoustics Adagio NOS digital preamplifier > First Watt SIT 3 power amplifier (or Don Garber Fi "Y" 6922 tube preamplifier + Don Garber Fi "X" 2A3 SET power amplifier, both powered from an Alpha-Core BP-30 Isolated Symmetrical Power Transformer) > Klipsch Cornwall III headphones system: Cirrus 7 > Lumin U2 > Metrum Acoustics Adagio > Pathos Aurium amplifier (powered by an UpTone Audio JS-2 LPS) > Focal Clear headphones Link to comment
kenval Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Hi, Just backed up 100+ SACD's to my server with this process and a OPPO 103D. Just selling the 103D on Ebay Uk as will be getting the new Oppo 205 soon. I have the auto script files on USB from Ted's dropbox and wonder if these are same required for the Pioneer BDP-160 which I may be able to purchase at a very reasonable price, if not can someone point me at the right place to get the correct auto script file..Cheers guys. Link to comment
kokishin Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Forget the Pio, keep the Oppo! JediJoker 1 Link to comment
Robert van Diggele Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 2 hours ago, kokishin said: Forget the Pio, keep the Oppo! Why? Is the ripped iso different when made with an Oppo or Pioneer? Link to comment
Popular Post BlueSkyy Posted April 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Robert van Diggele said: Why? Is the ripped iso different when made with an Oppo or Pioneer? Not sure about what kokishin thinks but personally I consider the Oppo a better-built player. The ripped files, however, would be the same. Robert van Diggele and JediJoker 2 Denafrips Terminator + DAC fed by a Denafrips GAIA DDC, HTPC running JRiver MC, iFi PRO iCAN Signature headphone amp, Marantz AV8805, OPPO BDP-105 for SACD ripping, Sony UBP-X100ES for watching and listening, McIntosh MC1201s Front L/R with Bryston powering the remaining 5 channels, B&W N-801s, B&W HTM-1 in Tiger Eye, B&W 801 IIIs on the sides and in the rear, JL-F212 sub, ReVOX PR-99Mk II, Rega P10 and Alpheta 3, PS Audio Nuwave Phono Amp, Audeze LCD-4 and LCD-XC, UE18 IEMs, Sony CD3000 rebuilt, Sony VPL-VW995ES laser projector, Joe Kane Affinity 120" screen, Cables: Cardas Clear Beyond speaker, Wireworld Platinum Elite 7 RCA, custom (by me) XLRs using affordable, quality parts 🙂 Link to comment
Jud Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, Robert van Diggele said: Why? Is the ripped iso different when made with an Oppo or Pioneer? Nope. Oppo might last longer, be a nicer-feeling product to use in the mean time - or it might not, up to you and your preference. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Robert van Diggele Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Jud said: Nope. Oppo might last longer, be a nicer-feeling product to use in the mean time - or it might not, up to you and your preference. Could be, but Kenval is getting a new Oppo, therefore does not need the 103 for playback and seems to settle down for a cheaper option for ripping sacds. Link to comment
Beacon Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 By all means buy the 205 but you should be keeping 103D. You may need to redo some of those SACDs you have backed up. For example, extracting the raw ISO data from the SACD may provide you with other options to explore..... Link to comment
fred sonnen Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Hallo I am new to this forum. Thanks to this forum (!) I bought many moon's ago a Pioneer BDP160 to rip SACD. Today I got my first Blu-ray Audio Disc full of 24 bit / 96 kHz audio files. These I would like to have on my Audio Server.... Is this possible? if yes how? The Pioneer is located within my Network. Ping works.Telnet does'nt ;-( I just pluged the SACD rip USB-stick at the Pioneer. But that does'nt help... Greetings F.S. Link to comment
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