James1776 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Am I wrong I noting that a LOT of these sites are simply selling CD quality sound on WAV or FLAC formats...How is that High Resolution?? Anyway, another site... http://bluecoastrecords.com/ I have found you an argument; I am not obliged to find you any understanding – Samuel Johnson Link to comment
dsnyder Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Hello James1776, Quote: ...CD quality sound on WAV or FLAC formats...How is that High Resolution?? Haha. Good point. Still, lossless redbook is somewhat higher quality (if not higher resolution) than the lossy MP3s that most legal digital download sites offer. Blue Cost does offer 24-bit PCM and DSD downloads too though, so no complaints regarding resolution there, at least not from me. :-) -- David Link to comment
audiozorro Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 not universally accepted by everyone. For me high resolution digital is any resolution greater than SACD. Therefore DSD 64, 24/176.4, 24/192, DSD128, DXD and higher are high resolutions. Medium resolution digital is CD quality to just shy of SACD quality. Thus 16/44.1, 24/44.1, 24/48, 24/88.2 and 24/96 are medium resolutions. Low resolution digital is any resolution less than CD, in particular any of the lossy resolutions. As typical with anything else in life, set low standards and that's what you will get. Set high standards and expectations if you want the best. Of course all resolutions are capable of sounding very good. However in general the higher resolutions are theoretically, if not actually, more capable of sounding better. Link to comment
James1776 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 In my world, high resolution is anything above normal, ho-hum 16/44.1 CD.... Anything at CD quality is not High Rez...even though it might be a very good recording. I have found you an argument; I am not obliged to find you any understanding – Samuel Johnson Link to comment
ted_b Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 hiRez is generally defined as anything with more resolution than redbook (16/44). Obviously, the higher the sample rate and bit depth, yadayada. Many call stuff like the Beatles USB offering a "stretch" at 24/44 but nonetheless it's 24 bit which is a big jump theoretically. Anyway, I don't think anyone here (except maybe audiozorro now ) calls 24/96 NOT hirez...it is. As one who is dabbling in 32/384 with M2Tech's Young DAC and PD's forthcoming MPS-3 I am not going to change the perspective and say that only the top tier is hirez, cuz there are only handful of selections there anyway. SACD's DSD (and kissin cousin DXD) are also part of the hirez community. My point to James1776 is that you can't blame these download services for choosing FLAC as the format of choice; it's a smaller file/footprint regardless of resolution. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
James1776 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Just noting I only use WAV files, and that files in 16/44 are not High Rez. I have found you an argument; I am not obliged to find you any understanding – Samuel Johnson Link to comment
Russell_L Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I wanted to put in a plug for eClassical.com, which is a new (to me, at least) online site operating out of Sweden. They mainly feature recordings on the BIS label. I've downloaded a couple of 24-bit BIS albums and the download speeds are very fast--much faster than other European sites I've tried (like Linn and The Classical Shop). The prices are also very reasonable. I should note that I was initially alarmed that the 24-bit files I downloaded were only 44.1 kHz, but I then remembered that that's the standard format (24/44.1) that BIS uses, at least for multichannel large-scale orchestral works, and so there was nothing 'wrong'. (If you want the gory details, read the BIS thread over at the SA-CD.net forum.) In any case, it's still better than CD quality, and they sound very fine indeed. Russell MacBook Pro 2021 16” (M1 Pro, 16MB RAM, macOS Ventura) > Audirvana Origin > Pangea Audio USB-AG > Sony TA-ZH1ES > Nordost Heimdall 2 > Audeze LCD-3 Link to comment
Manelus Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I have downloaded over 60 albums from eClassical so far. I must admit I was a bit reluctant at first because of the 24/44.1 thing, but if I just listen … they are the best sounding recordings I have. After a period of collector fever, I’m now focused on quality excellence (both media and “hardware”), here is my system: http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Show-us-your-equipment-kit#comment-69954 I must say that to my ears Linn, 2L and BIS are one step above the others. Digital Sources: Linn Klimax DS and Audio Note CDT3 + Audio Note DAC 4.1x balanced.[br] Analog Source: Clearaudio Innovation + SME V tonearm + Benz Micro LP S cartridge.[br]Plinius Tautoro Preamp. - Plinius SA Reference Amp.[br]Dynaudio Sapphire Speakers + Velodyne Ultra Subwoofer.[br]Powercords: Elrod Statement Gold.[br]Interconnects and Speaker cables: Kubala-Sosna Elation.[br]Dedicated Power lines for HiFi Stuff. Link to comment
Encore Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 "I was a bit reluctant at first because of the 24/44.1 thing, but if I just listen … they are the best sounding recordings I have." IME, 24 bit buys you most of the goodness of hires. I'm still limited to 96 kHz, I may change my mind once I'm capable of playing 192 kHz, but for now 24 bit is enough to make me take out my credit card. Which I'll do now. Thanks for tip! All best, Jens i5 Macbook Pro running Roon -> Uptone Etherregen -> custom-built Win10 PC serving as endpoint, with separate LPUs for mobo and a filtering digiboard (DIY) -> Audio Note DAC 5ish (a heavily modded 3.1X Bal) -> AN Kit One, heavily modded with silver wiring and Black Gates -> AN E-SPx Alnico on Townshend speaker bars. Vicoustic and GIK treatment. Link to comment
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Forehaven Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I agree on sev. points: Hi rez is anything better than 16/44 Way too much classical hi rez and not enough Led Zeppelin! (this is a major point of annoyance with me...not all audiophiles like classical music. Plain and simple) Not hi rez these sites selling cd's as wav or flacs...they're still cds The list of true hi rez sources still is in it's infancy stage, and too much caters to classical. Here's my list: http://www.highdeftapetransfers.com http://www.theclassicalshop.net/ http://www.hifitrack.com/en http://www.hiresmusic.com http://www.dacapo-records.dk/en/ http://www.lessloss.com samples http://www.2l.no/ https://magnatune.com http://www.acousence.de/ http://www.archive.org/ http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Society_of_Sound http://www.cardas.com http://cedillerecords.org http://downloadsnow.net/ http://www.dreamstreaming.info/ http://www.itrax.com/ https://www.hdtracks.com/ http://www.linnrecords.com/ http://www.marecordings.com/ http://www.naimlabel.com/ http://www.passionato.com/ http://www.referencerecordings.com/ http://bravurarecords.com/music.html And now Alan Maher is selling some great music from 16/44 to 24/96 to 24/192. http://www.alanmaherdesigns.com Chris Ryzen 7 2700 PC Server, NUC7CJYH w. 4G Apacer RAM as Renderer/LPS 1.2 - IsoRegen/LPS-1/.2 - Singxer SU-1/LPS1.2 - Holo Spring Level 3 DAC - LTA MicroZOTL MZ2 - Modwright KWA 150 Signature Amp - Tidal Audio Piano's. . Link to comment
James1776 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I am still not sure what some of these are offering ...HiFitrack for instance calls the 24/96 selections (upsampled to 24/96). Are they simply upsampling CD quality recordings? I have found you an argument; I am not obliged to find you any understanding – Samuel Johnson Link to comment
sandyk Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Some companies even upsample recordings to 24/96 , then make new 16/44.1 CD masters from them. An example of this is the "Best Audiophile Voices" series. They do sound better than average too. SandyK How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
PierOz Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 The website I use the most is http://www.qobuz.com/ they have a huge selection in cd quality and a growing high-rez section. Unfortunately, depending on your country of residence (the company is French) you won't have access to the entire catalogue, but from my experience many of french independent labels are available worldwide. another I have discovered is http://bandcamp.com/ You have to dig, some artists are giving the music for free. the resolution varies but often you can find high-rez in the download menu of each artists' page under 'audiophiles and nerds' : ) Pierre Link to comment
Bob Stern Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 On Bandcamp, be sure to download high-res music in FLAC format. The Apple Lossless downloads are lower resolution. HQPlayer (on 3.8 GHz 8-core i7 iMac 2020) > NAA (on 2012 Mac Mini i7) > RME ADI-2 v2 > Benchmark AHB-2 > Thiel 3.7 Link to comment
PierOz Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Hi Bob, thanks for the advice, I didn't know about that. cheers, Pierre Link to comment
bikemig Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 I finally got around to joining Society of Sound. I tried it out for free for a while which allows you to download only 1 file from each CD. Full membership not only gives you two CDs a month (one from the LSO and another selected, I believe, by Peter Gabriel) but it also allows you to download from a reasonable back catalogue. This is a really good deal and the music is excellent. Macmini (as server)-> AE Express/SB Touch-> Dacmagic plus -> Outlaw RR2150 -> PSB Image T6 (dedicated 2 channel audio system) Macmini (via toslink)-> NAD T747 -> PSB Imagine B/SVS SB2000 subwoofer (home theater) Macbook Pro-> Peachtree idecco->PSB Imagine Minis, Energy ESW-M8 subwoofer, Beyerdynamic DT880 (home office) IMac->audioengine D1 dac->airmotiv 4 (work system) Link to comment
dsnyder Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Hello, Quote: it also allows you to download from a reasonable back catalogue. This is a really good deal and the music is excellent. I know. It feels a bit like joining Columbia House or BMG back in the day and getting ten albums for a penny. If you join today, it looks like there are thirty albums available now for download, most in 24-bit, 48kHz. Enjoy. -- David Link to comment
Russell_L Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 One of my very favorite labels, Channel Classics, has finally started their own download service with 24 titles. Many of them were available via Linn Records and HDtracks, but it's good to get them straight from the source. Unfortunately, prices are a bit on the high side: about $30 for 192/24 files and $26 for 96/24 files. http://www.channelclassics.com/ I haven't tried the service yet -- the pricing gives me a little pause, and I've already got several of the titles from Linn -- but it's great to have another quality source for hi-res music! Russell MacBook Pro 2021 16” (M1 Pro, 16MB RAM, macOS Ventura) > Audirvana Origin > Pangea Audio USB-AG > Sony TA-ZH1ES > Nordost Heimdall 2 > Audeze LCD-3 Link to comment
Manelus Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Files at Channel Classics web site and the ones provided to Linn Records are DSD to PCM software conversions using Weiss software (Done by Jared Sacks, sound Engineer at Channel Classics). Files at HDTracks are ripped SACDs. Ear?... They do not sound the same. I've had the opportunity to compare Mahler 4th 88.2kHz HDTracks and 96kHz Linn Records. There is an audible difference. Also compared 192kHz... even better. Hope it helps Digital Sources: Linn Klimax DS and Audio Note CDT3 + Audio Note DAC 4.1x balanced.[br] Analog Source: Clearaudio Innovation + SME V tonearm + Benz Micro LP S cartridge.[br]Plinius Tautoro Preamp. - Plinius SA Reference Amp.[br]Dynaudio Sapphire Speakers + Velodyne Ultra Subwoofer.[br]Powercords: Elrod Statement Gold.[br]Interconnects and Speaker cables: Kubala-Sosna Elation.[br]Dedicated Power lines for HiFi Stuff. Link to comment
Kevin_O Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Files at HDtracks are DSD - PCM transfers using Weiss SARACON. There is no difference. Link to comment
almaatakz Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Does anybody know if the above is available in hi-res anywhere? Would appreciate a tip! Link to comment
Manelus Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 The Rolling Stones ones are DSD - PCM transfers using Weiss SARACON at HDTracks. Regarding Channel Classics my info is accurate, I know for sure. Digital Sources: Linn Klimax DS and Audio Note CDT3 + Audio Note DAC 4.1x balanced.[br] Analog Source: Clearaudio Innovation + SME V tonearm + Benz Micro LP S cartridge.[br]Plinius Tautoro Preamp. - Plinius SA Reference Amp.[br]Dynaudio Sapphire Speakers + Velodyne Ultra Subwoofer.[br]Powercords: Elrod Statement Gold.[br]Interconnects and Speaker cables: Kubala-Sosna Elation.[br]Dedicated Power lines for HiFi Stuff. Link to comment
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