Popular Post AudioPhil Posted January 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2019 Hello Folks Not many days ago I was whining about AO 3.00 will probably not bring back WASAPI in Core as AO 2.20 did for Server 2016. I invested more than two months in the adaption of just the WASAPI part for Server 2019 but to no avail... But last evening things changed dramatically... I found the missing piece and can now give you a short step-by-step guide on how to achieve the entire audio stack (WASAPI/KS/DirectSound) in Windows Server 2019 Core. It was a heck of a long night..... goosebumps!!! 😎 As some of you beta testers might have noticed there is a little inscription on the beta portal regarding "Dan". I got a few questions about that, who Dan is, and why i dedicated the Beta portal to him. Dan is a good friend of mine since many years. He is a fellow forum member and an AO user since over 5 years. He was one of the very first ones to start exploring the audiophile nirvana together with me and the AudiophileOptimizer. Dan helped me a lot in all the alpha and beta testing phases, he helped me check the PDF guide for correct spelling and writing, he spent ideas for new features in AO, and he guided me through many other things as well. AO would never been there where it is as of today without the great help and continous support of Dan and many others who helped me during all these years, challenges and sometimes also very tough times. Sadly Dan is very ill since quite some time now. He's illness got much worste lately and it reached a point where's just nothing left to do for the doctors. Dan won't be here anymore by the time the final release of AO 3.00 will made available to the public. I actually didn't dedicate the beta portal to Dan, but I rather dedicated the entire AO 3.00 to him. He just deserves this. So the final release of AudiophileOptimizer 3.00 will be in Memory of Dan. A great and true friend who will be deeply missed. My biggest wish is that he makes it at least to february 7th so he can celebrate his 35th anniversay with his beloved wife. If all our prayers are strong enough, then he might have a chance to reach that goal. So, what do you need after all to get WASAPI working on Server 2019 Core? You need Windows Server 2019 in Core mode, AudiophileOptimizer Beta 31 (or newer) and the Windows Server FOD (features on demand) ISO. Then just follow these simple steps: Install Windows Server 2019 in Core mode Mount the FOD ISO and install the "Server Core App Compatibility" using this command: DISM /Online /Add-Capability /CapabilityName:"ServerCore.AppCompatibility~~~~0.0.1.0" /Source:drive_letter_of_mounted_ISO: /LimitAccess (If you need more detailed installation instructions for FOD see here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/get-started-19/install-fod-19) Install AO 3.00 (or newer) Do a full run with AO, say yes to "Install Kernel-Streaming and MediaPlayer support", say also yes to "Install Roon & HQPlayer Support" After the reboot fire up ServiceTool and launch the DriverHelper Install your DAC/DDC driver using the DriverHelper Start the Device Manager using AudiophileShell or by typing "devmgmt.msc" Select your DAC devices and uninstall them again, but do not select "delete the driver" Once uninstalled click the rescan hardware Icon, your DAC driver should now be successfully installed Do not continue until you verified that Kernel-Streaming is working -> play some music Once you are sure Kernel-Streaming is working launch AO again and install the WASAPI-support (AO -wasapi) I have tested WASAPI with Foobar2000, JPLAY Femto & RoonServer, it works just like a charm. The only thing that does not work is the "test tone" in the windows audio control panel. I have no idea why, but i can live with that as long as music playback works stable At least for now... Enjoy it, AudioPhil Anto, moriez, dtb300 and 6 others 8 1 ıllıllı [ ...AO 4.00 BETA... ] ıllıllı ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shop | Reviews | Reference System | AudiophileOptimizer 3.00 | PDF Guide Link to comment
Solid-State Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 no one facing any issues with WASAPI ? Link to comment
Solid-State Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 or is it working flawless Link to comment
Peter Avgeris Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Hello TubeMan! Are you a Tube man as well, like me? 🙂 I once tried Wasapi. It was working OK. But sound-wise, there is no need to go that way. It sounds way inferior to other options (ASIO & KS). But anyway, it was ok on my system. Do you face any difficulties? Design & Manufacture of High Fidelity Audio Equipment http://www.exoticaudiodesign.com/ Link to comment
Solid-State Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Hello Yes Im a tube man BIG fan of EAR Yoshino gear Link to comment
thuandb Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 WASAPI works like a charm, as well as KS. Thanks Phil. AudioPhil 1 WS2019 Core Datacenter, dualPC, JPLAY Femto, AO3, Fidelizer Pro 8.8, MC2XY, IOS app. Link to comment
Mouna Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 My question regarding Wasapi is....does it help to improve the sound of bighead/nontallion...and or will it appear in the menu of nontaillion while choosing the driver.... and if it does....what would the correct second line exactly look like from /Source: drive letter...on - my DVD drive is G: I am not that familiar with computer knowledge and on the other hand dare to be in core mode 2019 - but the paths and what to fill in whats exactly missing is a riddle for me.... My second question is...since AO is already installed - can the FOD be installed after the AO or do I have to make a complete new install to make it work... I hope someone will notice this post since its a while that someone..... Thank you for reading... Michael Link to comment
AudioPhil Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 Hello @Mouna I am not 100% sure if I understood your first question correctly, but if id did, and if Nontallion supports WASAPI in general, yes then you will have a selectable output. If you are not very computer savvy, core mode is definitely not for you, this is for sure. You can also install FOD after AO, but it would be better doing things in the recommended order But of course, no reinstall required. Basically the first post of this thread let's you know everything you need to know. Follow it accordingly, in the right order, and you will be fine. But again regarding core. I really doubt this is the right thing for you if you for example do not know how to navigate drives and directories in a DOS. And these are by far the simplest things which are waiting for you in Core so... if this a challenge for you, this is a definitive sign that core mode is to complex overall. It might be the better way for you to just go with Server 2019 in GUI mode and AO 3.00. The difference between Core and GUI got smaller with each new server versions. So for most people the hassle isn't worth the results anymore, and all overs its the better way to stick with GUI. Those easly able to master DOS box etc, well yes of course then go for core! Hope this helps a bit, AudioPhil ıllıllı [ ...AO 4.00 BETA... ] ıllıllı ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shop | Reviews | Reference System | AudiophileOptimizer 3.00 | PDF Guide Link to comment
shahed99 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 @AudioPhil I know you've written nice pdf guide for the various Windows versions. However, I was wondering if you've a step-by-step guide for installing WS 2019 in core mode? I need to run Roon server and HQPlayer Desktop on it. WS 2019 GUI is very simple but I've not ventured in to core mode yet. WS 2019 GUI didn't sound as good to me as WS 2016. But I'm going to take another stab at WS2019 but this time in core mode. Hopefully I'm using the right build as well. Link to comment
AudioPhil Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 2/28/2020 at 9:16 PM, shahed99 said: @AudioPhil I know you've written nice pdf guide for the various Windows versions. However, I was wondering if you've a step-by-step guide for installing WS 2019 in core mode? I need to run Roon server and HQPlayer Desktop on it. WS 2019 GUI is very simple but I've not ventured in to core mode yet. WS 2019 GUI didn't sound as good to me as WS 2016. But I'm going to take another stab at WS2019 but this time in core mode. Hopefully I'm using the right build as well. this should give you a good starting point: Best, AudioPhil ıllıllı [ ...AO 4.00 BETA... ] ıllıllı ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shop | Reviews | Reference System | AudiophileOptimizer 3.00 | PDF Guide Link to comment
shahed99 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Thanks Phil! I forgot to update that I was able to install WS2019 core mode just going through the guide you wrote. It was actually quite easy. Thank you for writing something so comprehensive. Only issue I had was with setting up static IP for my JCAT NET Card. For whatever reason, it seems to be using DHCP and working fine. Is there a downside of using DHCP in core mode? My system is quite resolving. Having tried WS2019 GUI mode before, I'd say this - the difference between core and GUI in WS2019 is easily discernible. Core mode is quite a bit more transparent, less lean and the sound is purer and more intimate. I'm really liking it so far! AudioPhil 1 Link to comment
thuandb Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Thanks for sharing your wonderful experience. For static IP setup, Phil provides the excellent set_ip script that you can use to tailor make your static IP need. AudioPhil 1 WS2019 Core Datacenter, dualPC, JPLAY Femto, AO3, Fidelizer Pro 8.8, MC2XY, IOS app. Link to comment
shahed99 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Thank you @thuandb. I've seen your helpful posts in Jplay forum I've used Phil's set_ip script and also trying to use the underlying netsh command directly. But I was having issues with internet connectivity in my attempt to set static IP in both cases. Ping <whatever server name> wasn't returning anything. But somehow DHCP works in core mode and working flawlessly so far. Unless there's sound quality benefit of moving to static ip, I'm happy to keep it as is. Core mode is honestly not complicated to setup and the sound quality gain over GUI is totally worth it. AudioPhil 1 Link to comment
AudioPhil Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, shahed99 said: Thank you @thuandb. I've seen your helpful posts in Jplay forum I've used Phil's set_ip script and also trying to use the underlying netsh command directly. But I was having issues with internet connectivity in my attempt to set static IP in both cases. Ping <whatever server name> wasn't returning anything. But somehow DHCP works in core mode and working flawlessly so far. Unless there's sound quality benefit of moving to static ip, I'm happy to keep it as is. Core mode is honestly not complicated to setup and the sound quality gain over GUI is totally worth it. Enter "ipconfig /all" when in dhcp note. Write down the ip adress, subnet mask, gateway and dns server. the easiest way to do a fixed IP config is to just enter the identical data as noted above. but be aware, sooner or later your dhcp server will assign the same IP address to another DHCP client. This will lead to problems (ip address conflict) and potentially both clients no longer work properly at all. so the right way to do it is to use a free IP address which is outside of the scope of the dhcp server. So no ip address conflicts will occur and all will work as smooth as possible. You only need a fixed IP if you plan to use the "disable network related services" feature of AO but still want to retain basic network connectivity for like a dual pc setup. So in your case i think its absolutely fine to go with dhcp. best, AudioPhil shahed99 1 ıllıllı [ ...AO 4.00 BETA... ] ıllıllı ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shop | Reviews | Reference System | AudiophileOptimizer 3.00 | PDF Guide Link to comment
AudioPhil Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 4 hours ago, shahed99 said: Thanks Phil! I forgot to update that I was able to install WS2019 core mode just going through the guide you wrote. It was actually quite easy. Thank you for writing something so comprehensive. Only issue I had was with setting up static IP for my JCAT NET Card. For whatever reason, it seems to be using DHCP and working fine. Is there a downside of using DHCP in core mode? My system is quite resolving. Having tried WS2019 GUI mode before, I'd say this - the difference between core and GUI in WS2019 is easily discernible. Core mode is quite a bit more transparent, less lean and the sound is purer and more intimate. I'm really liking it so far! You are very welcome Glad I could open this new chapter for you! ENJOY IT! 👍🏼 ıllıllı [ ...AO 4.00 BETA... ] ıllıllı ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shop | Reviews | Reference System | AudiophileOptimizer 3.00 | PDF Guide Link to comment
hilpertti Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Hi! I just got WASAPI working on 2019 core in exclusive mode, is there a way to get the shared mode working too? Asking because I need the room correction (Equalizer APO) I'm using Foobar... AudioPhil 1 Link to comment
AudioPhil Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 7:34 PM, hilpertti said: Hi! I just got WASAPI working on 2019 core in exclusive mode, is there a way to get the shared mode working too? Asking because I need the room correction (Equalizer APO) I'm using Foobar... shared mode? ıllıllı [ ...AO 4.00 BETA... ] ıllıllı ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shop | Reviews | Reference System | AudiophileOptimizer 3.00 | PDF Guide Link to comment
hilpertti Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 51 minutes ago, AudioPhil said: shared mode? Yes, in Foobar's output section I'm able to choose WASAPI as in event, push or shared mode. Event and push are exclusive, if I've understood correctly, which means that the windows's mixer and sound enhancements are bypassed, which means that I can't use Equalizer APO's room correction capabilities nor can I hear the sounds other than what Foobar is playing. So I would use the shared mode if possible... It not, then I'll need to switch back to GUI mode of Server 2019... Link to comment
jcn3 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 17 hours ago, hilpertti said: Yes, in Foobar's output section I'm able to choose WASAPI as in event, push or shared mode. Event and push are exclusive, if I've understood correctly, which means that the windows's mixer and sound enhancements are bypassed, which means that I can't use Equalizer APO's room correction capabilities nor can I hear the sounds other than what Foobar is playing. So I would use the shared mode if possible... It not, then I'll need to switch back to GUI mode of Server 2019... this doesn't seem to be a audiophile optimizer issue (which is what this forum section is for) -- it's a foobar or windows server issue. have you done web searches looking for info? granted, phil is a windows server expert . . . . AudioPhil 1 (1) holo audio red (hqp naa) > chord dave > luxman cl-38uc/mq-88uc > kef reference 1 (2) simaudio moon mind 2 > chord qutest > luxman sq-n150 > monitor audio gold gx100 Link to comment
AudioPhil Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 On 4/13/2020 at 3:52 PM, jcn3 said: this doesn't seem to be a audiophile optimizer issue (which is what this forum section is for) -- it's a foobar or windows server issue. have you done web searches looking for info? granted, phil is a windows server expert . . . . Yes indeed, that is all very correct! @hilpertti, "Shared Mode" is not advisable for serious audio playback. You should avoid the windows mixer like the devil does so with holy water.... ıllıllı [ ...AO 4.00 BETA... ] ıllıllı ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shop | Reviews | Reference System | AudiophileOptimizer 3.00 | PDF Guide Link to comment
lake_eleven Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Iam unable to install AO in 2019 server core. Setup is asking for installation media. Am i missing anything in the setup. Link to comment
thuandb Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 It asks for the same ISO USB you used to install the OS. Put it back in and AO installation should run with flying colors. WS2019 Core Datacenter, dualPC, JPLAY Femto, AO3, Fidelizer Pro 8.8, MC2XY, IOS app. Link to comment
lake_eleven Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Now, unable to install Chord driver using Driver helper. Getting error 'Class TBevel' not found. Link to comment
thuandb Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Disable driver signature enforcement. At reboot, hit and hold F8 function key until a list of options appears. Select Disable driver signature enforcement then proceed to installing DAC driver. WS2019 Core Datacenter, dualPC, JPLAY Femto, AO3, Fidelizer Pro 8.8, MC2XY, IOS app. Link to comment
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