Concert Hall sound

[pkane2001]

11 minutes ago, GeneZ said:

  When you know something is truth?   

 

Why does proving it to another make it truth? 

 

‘Knowing that something is the truth’ has not been an accepted standard for many centuries, at least since the Age of Enlightenment. You may want to catch up to the more modern way of thinking.

[pkane2001]

15 hours ago, STC said:

I know of two respected audiophiles who couldn't hear anything above 10 and 12kHz. Coincidentally, they are the one who often describe sound in very detail about a system. 

 

I know it's off topic. I'd love to see all the subjective reviewers post their audio band sensitivity chart. Include it with the system profile or in the signature. Wonder if there would be any takers?

Oh, alright, objective also.

 

[pkane2001]

10 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Of course, this is irrelevant. If a listener, no matter how "poor" his hearing is, can distinguish that it's a hifi playing, as compared to live acoustic sound - then his ears are doing a good enough job ... .

 

Yes Frank, of course the 0.00001dB difference caused by soldering instead of using a screw-in connection is much more significant than the 50dB drop in hearing in the middle of audible frequencies. What was I thinking???

[pkane2001]

6 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Human hearing reacts to something "not being right" - that's how we learnt to survive in the jungle, with wild beasts in the offing - once you are aware of that "oddness", your focus zooms in on it - the tiny itch becomes 'huge'. The task is, get rid of, yes, that 'tinyness' ...

 

Sure. And 50dB drop in the middle of the audible range doesn't qualify as something "not being right". Nobody would notice! But a solder joint instead of screw connector, now that'll make a huge difference. Get real, Frank. You're making this up as you go. You are consistent. Consistently wrong.

[pkane2001]

2 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Ummm, with live sound - someone walks in front of you, completely blocks the direct sound ... the chamber group doesn't disappear into a hole, for that moment ... our minds 'grok' the situation, and compensate, beautifully.

 

A manufacturer of high end speakers was the one who brought my attention to this 'test' - with good audio sound "someone can walk in front of you" and you don't lose the sense of what you're hearing.

 

IOW, "holes in the sound", whether from circumstances, or changes in hearing are dealt with by the mind - anomalies of the wrong type are not discarded - they disturb us, distract us, spoil the listening experience.

 

Frank, I'm sorry if all this is caused by a medical condition. Certainly wouldn't won't to argue with something you have no control over. 

 

Just an FYI -- if someone stands in front of me and blocks direct sound and vision in a live performance, while I can still hear, I hear a completely different quality of sound than when no-one is blocking it. This is normal. What you are describing is not.

 

[pkane2001]

2 hours ago, Fitzcaraldo215 said:

I want so badly to see the sun in my own listening room, to follow on your mystical journey, to achieve the very heights of audio you have described, redescribed, and re-re...  But, you are there and I am here.

 

I so wanted to hear what Frank hears! Like you, I kept asking him to share his wisdom. After many questions and a detailed description of my system, Frank finally diagnosed the main problem!!! My speakers binding posts may not have been soldered on the inside of the speaker (mind you, I’d have to flip over and take apart a 107lbs speaker just to look inside to see if there is or isn’t a soldered connection).

 

Needless to say, my system is still mediocre, since I didn’t follow through on Frank’s suggestion. But I’m sure if and when I do, my system will sound incredible!

[pkane2001]

39 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

"incredible" as in not credible?

 

Still trying to figure out how to blind test this change.. quickly flipping a heavy speaker and de/resoldering a couple of connections is hard enough when not blindfolded...

[pkane2001]

5 hours ago, fas42 said:

Yes, it's a pain, and probably it's not an issue for your speaker - but this is the type of thinking I need to use, to get the results.

 

You're starting from the wrong end, and your approach will lead to years of frustration before one finds any real issues. When troubleshooting, I highly recommend to try to address the major causes first, and not those that might have little or no effect at all.

 

5 hours ago, fas42 said:

Thought experiment: the technician for a space flight says, I only checked 99.99% of the seals for airtightness,

 

Thought experiment: would you start by checking every last one of the seals first if you had a huge hole open in the side of your space capsule?

[pkane2001]

7 minutes ago, fas42 said:

The "huge hole" being speakers and room? If so, completely wrong - competent sound doesn't require very much from here.

 

Not just room and speakers, but practically everything else in the audio chain. But I get it, if the sound is all in your head, nothing else matters but what you believe.

[pkane2001]

4 minutes ago, fas42 said:

I note people want answers, but it HAS TO FIT IN WITH THEIR CURRENT BELIEF SYSTEMS - if it doesn't, then then don't bug them about it any more ... for those who think that way, very little can be done - for those whose minds are not set in concrete, there is hope ...

 

Frank, your beliefs are not supported by any known scientific, engineering, or psychological framework. For this reason, you need to supply real evidence and not anecdotes about your personal experience or analogies to car mechanics. Until you provide something more solid than that, you’ll keep getting the same responses.

[pkane2001]

7 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Do you get the concept that a chain is as strong as the weakest link - and that addressing those lesser elements is the most useful strategy? If not ...

 

Yes, of course. And it would appear that the mind is that weakest link.