Best CPU for hqplayer

[fgribas]

On 1/21/2024 at 11:07 AM, Miska said:

 

RPi4 works fine as a NAA up to 1.5M PCM and DSD1024. But you need to make sure 802.3x is active on the path from HQPlayer to the NAA.

 

 

Has anyone been able to play native DSD512 48 or DSD1024 48 with RPi4 or RPi5 as endpoint? I get a nasty rattling noise with the music.

 

DSD256 48, DSD 512 44 and DSD 1024 44 plays fine. A friend of mine was able to play DoP DSD512 48, but native DSD gets the same problem with DSD512 48 and DSD1024 48.

[AudioDoctor]

14 hours ago, Carousel said:

sinc-long is non-apodizing though. Is that not a worry?

 

I like the sound of sinc-long.

[Miska]

57 minutes ago, fgribas said:

Has anyone been able to play native DSD512 48 or DSD1024 48 with RPi4 or RPi5 as endpoint? I get a nasty rattling noise with the music.

 

Yes, no problems so far with RPi4 running NAA OS. With RPi5 running the Debian 12 (RPi OS) it doesn't work properly.

 

[Miska]

14 hours ago, Carousel said:

sinc-long is non-apodizing though. Is that not a worry? The apodizing score is listed as 735.

 

With such score, yes it is a worry... You know the output is going to have distortions.

 

[fgribas]

1 minute ago, Miska said:

 

Yes, no problems so far with RPi4 running NAA OS. With RPi5 running the Debian 12 (RPi OS) it doesn't work properly.

 

 

Thanks! So do you think is a kernel problem? I don't have a RPi4 to test, but 2 friends tested on theirs and got the same problem.

 

What's the kernel used by NAA OS? And will we have a NAA OS for RPi5?

[Miska]

Just now, fgribas said:

What's the kernel used by NAA OS?

 

My customized 6.1.

 

Just now, fgribas said:

And will we have a NAA OS for RPi5?

 

Yes, when it becomes feasible. All the needed software components are not yet RPi5 compatible. But it is finally starting to come together.

 

[AudioDoctor]

15 hours ago, Carousel said:

Here is something similar but with a 14700K and no GPU. It is a water-cooled CPU. HQP Embedded is 5.4.0.

 

sinc-long is non-apodizing though. Is that not a worry? The apodizing score is listed as 735. The source is a FLAC 16-44 file on the sda1 SSD drive on the same Ubuntu Server machine running HQPlayer Embedded 5.4.0

 

 

 

 

 

 I have that same album, I am positive I downloaded it from Qobuz, in 24/192 and the Apodizing number is 0 for all tracks.

[Miska]

34 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

 I have that same album, I am positive I downloaded it from Qobuz, in 24/192 and the Apodizing number is 0 for all tracks.

 

Above screenshot is from RedBook format. That vs 192k hires is a big difference.

 

Worth taking a look at the HQPlayer's spectrogram metering though, so that it is not upsampled fake hires. But it could be also true hires transfer from original analog tapes.

 

[AudioDoctor]

36 minutes ago, Miska said:

 

Above screenshot is from RedBook format. That vs 192k hires is a big difference.

 

Worth taking a look at the HQPlayer's spectrogram metering though, so that it is not upsampled fake hires. But it could be also true hires transfer from original analog tapes.

 

 

This doesn't look promising to me:

 

edit: Hold on, it is a download from High Definition Tape Transfers.

 

 

[Miska]

3 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

This doesn't look promising to me:

 

edit: Hold on, it is a download from High Definition Tape Transfers.

 

 

 

Looks like a hires tape transfer. 48 kHz would have been enough for this, enough extra over 44.1k.

 

But overall looks like a decent tape transfer and no need to worry about this one.

 

[AudioDoctor]

3 minutes ago, Miska said:

 

Looks like a hires tape transfer. 48 kHz would have been enough for this, enough extra over 44.1k.

 

But overall looks like a decent tape transfer and no need to worry about this one.

 

 

Thanks, I would hate to think that HDTT had done something shady as they have been so great to work with and the album sounds amazing.

[Carousel]

@AudioDoctor @Miska Reads like I should replace my Duke Ellington & John Coltrane. I probably have, at the newest, a 2007 CD in a box in the cellar. Looks like I only updated the album art in 2017 to a bigger picture than I had originally. Checking Discogs, I could look for a 2018 Stereo & Mono release, or a 2020 or a 2023. Don't know if you would have recommendations from there: Duke Ellington & John Coltrane - Duke Ellington & John Coltrane | Releases | Discogs. I might just try a couple Qobuz downloads and see how they measure. Maybe I start with the 24-192!

 

As for my Babs & Duke, that is a 2016 CD rip... done in 2017. The apodizing count after 3 minutes of Stoona is only 7. And it sounds pretty good with sinc-long. So I take it, this one is OK as it is even with a non-apodizing filter. Right?

 

[Karson Kwan]

13 hours ago, fgribas said:

 

Has anyone been able to play native DSD512 48 or DSD1024 48 with RPi4 or RPi5 as endpoint? I get a nasty rattling noise with the music.

 

DSD256 48, DSD 512 44 and DSD 1024 44 plays fine. A friend of mine was able to play DoP DSD512 48, but native DSD gets the same problem with DSD512 48 and DSD1024 48.

 

I play DSD 48K/512 and 44.1/1024 DSD is not problem, but if I play 48K/1024 DSD it will have very big noise. SA!!!!!!!!!! I am using Musician Pegasus DAC. and HQplayer NAA RPI4

[Miska]

4 hours ago, Carousel said:

@AudioDoctor @Miska Reads like I should replace my Duke Ellington & John Coltrane. I probably have, at the newest, a 2007 CD in a box in the cellar. Looks like I only updated the album art in 2017 to a bigger picture than I had originally. Checking Discogs, I could look for a 2018 Stereo & Mono release, or a 2020 or a 2023. Don't know if you would have recommendations from there: Duke Ellington & John Coltrane - Duke Ellington & John Coltrane | Releases | Discogs. I might just try a couple Qobuz downloads and see how they measure. Maybe I start with the 24-192!

 

As for my Babs & Duke, that is a 2016 CD rip... done in 2017. The apodizing count after 3 minutes of Stoona is only 7. And it sounds pretty good with sinc-long. So I take it, this one is OK as it is even with a non-apodizing filter. Right?

 

Typically newer releases are worse than older ones. Pink Floyd being one example of such. As time goes on, "remaster" usually means "we added more compression and limiting to make it sound louder".

 

Yes, figures like <10 during a track is fine with halfband-style filters.

 

[AudioDoctor]

9 hours ago, Carousel said:

@AudioDoctor @Miska Reads like I should replace my Duke Ellington & John Coltrane. I probably have, at the newest, a 2007 CD in a box in the cellar. Looks like I only updated the album art in 2017 to a bigger picture than I had originally. Checking Discogs, I could look for a 2018 Stereo & Mono release, or a 2020 or a 2023. Don't know if you would have recommendations from there: Duke Ellington & John Coltrane - Duke Ellington & John Coltrane | Releases | Discogs. I might just try a couple Qobuz downloads and see how they measure. Maybe I start with the 24-192!

 

As for my Babs & Duke, that is a 2016 CD rip... done in 2017. The apodizing count after 3 minutes of Stoona is only 7. And it sounds pretty good with sinc-long. So I take it, this one is OK as it is even with a non-apodizing filter. Right?

 

 

 

This is the one I have. I just purchased the DSD256 version as well, its even better.

 

https://www.highdeftapetransfers.ca/products/duke-ellington-john-coltrane-pure-dsd

[AudioDoctor]

@Carousel Where did you get your copy of Alice Babs and Duke Ellington? Mine came from Real Gone Music and I can't find it on their website anymore.

 

 

[fgribas]

7 hours ago, Karson Kwan said:

 

I play DSD 48K/512 and 44.1/1024 DSD is not problem, but if I play 48K/1024 DSD it will have very big noise. SA!!!!!!!!!! I am using Musician Pegasus DAC. and HQplayer NAA RPI4

 

Interesting. I noticed this 512/48 noise with at least 3 different DACs. I will test NAA OS when it's available for RPi5 so I can confirm if that is caused by a custom realtime kernel I'm using.

[Carousel]

@AudioDoctor The RGM Serenade to Sweden CD was one of my Dad's last CD buys in 2017 before he passed. So it is indeed a special one for me. 

[Carousel]

PS: just saw the Duke Ellington & John Coltrane link you posted as well above. Good price for DSD256!

[DomiJi]

Hello HQPlayer fans out there,

 

i am looking for a nice mini pc that can handle my Roon core as well as HQPlayer with PCM upsampling to 768khz and Closed-Form-M filter.

 

Does anyone have some experience what kind of CPU is "enough" for that usecase?

 

Thanks for your help :-)

 

Best

DomiJi

[bogi]

Some tips to consider (I don't own such, wait for other suggestions):

Used i3-1215u  https://www.ebay.de/itm/364626305013?hash=item54e56bdff5:g:cLsAAOSwgNlleFyE
New: i5-13500H https://www.ebay.de/itm/256361121182?hash=item3bb050459e:g:OCEAAOSwAB1ld0bc
Review https://www.techradar.com/pro/chuwi-corebox-5th-mini-pc-review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHc_zLoG5t4

 

[dericchan1]

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/166388450606?hash=item26bd86452e:g:IusAAOSwrSBkisl4&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4HJcwvaQJZMXQMk%2FT7GQBdwiWJvbLTu%2BCBAFwXlKwKWErp98DpUO3GIZYKp3Hbvx612Dn803y%2FeoqiYLJ94VLuSkPkoaqvOO0Z0Hzux%2FOlmc0Uy%2Fz2wFAUSF1zIlJRCTL9%2B2lqdxLsKwtOq4zZYJpHJYvvGgfQQ96aYrIDUrPVxTWe0DC8QSCxkLUuS6HmWaPouqEW5VNcf9gEktfZXijv3UuzL4MgoCPmYfJzFXdc0d1TvWnA99uEJyw9YPr0MwzNBkb%2BXooUnNVvCr5SCpwUHFxPSmlOF1qtyZD89clDcA|tkp%3ABFBM8Mf326xj

 

A mini pc N100 will run any PCM upsampling other than sinc Long

 

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/285609620225?hash=item427fa8f301:g:bbQAAOSwTbZlfMDb&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4GSSI6drvRlsLpcNVaZwbWhL3K2LXqep38bmjyJG0dOgWb7vfW%2FqmUumb%2BYCmfPxkGRBDtg5wwq92DBYYxeu3FxhyXy%2F2DpO2OFRuJ4iIRBRejMCNZktVYEZ%2F9BqGpa2c3nskLLtM9w%2F%2BBrydN7A5p0tXUX3aVK5v6pdgIBDQQlxthH0XbLHktdzAPGOLxMEZv28Zz%2BNSZZlGCWQmWQX%2F7UzNTMEyobb5WZPLWaT4FT3FUgW7%2FMnvS926CFW%2ByLVBRnvY6lyyKHpGWolz3NCLfhmezPCqC6Jna8rWRm274Ef|tkp%3ABk9SR4rE_9usYw

 

Something like this will be overkill but a better investment in case one day you like to do dsd256 perhaps

[dericchan1]

Got this bad boy in with the rpi5 8gb today!! Time to do some oc and make this the best cpu for hqplayer!!!!

 

cheers

[bogi]

@dericchan1  What's the price of Pi5 with such a cooling?

[dericchan1]

1 hour ago, bogi said:

@dericchan1  What's the price of Pi5 with such a cooling?

About $125 us