WireWorld Starlight CAT 8 cable review

[witchdoctor]

In other words, you have no clue how to devise a set of measurements that can confirm what listeners are reporting.

It's as if you think that finding that two pieces of fruit weigh exactly the same confirms that they will taste exactly the same.

 

or if plissken doesn't like mangoes it means nobody will like mangoes

[plissken]

In other words, you have no clue how to devise a set of measurements that can confirm what listeners are reporting.

 

It's as if you think that finding that two pieces of fruit weigh exactly the same confirms that they will taste exactly the same.

 

I'm not devising anything to confirm what so ever. My hypothesis is that two ~ equal measure Ethernet cables aren't going to have a measurable difference instrumentation wise. I'm curious what what Rightmark will reveal. I'm also interested in capturing a song or three where part of the song plays with one cable and I swap out the cable during playback and seeing who here can tell me with in the +/- of the buffer size I setup in JRiver when the cable swap happened.

 

I'm most likely going to compare 3 meter expensive to ~30 meter off the spool and terminated by me CAT5e.

 

Now if all that lines up with my hypothesis then it is what it is. It's starting to sound like the cable proponents are getting a bit nervous.

 

You do what ever you want to with assorted fruit. Including trying to make an analogy with them.

[kennyb123]

My hypothesis is that two ~ equal measure Ethernet cables aren't going to have a measurable difference instrumentation wise.

 

Well you certainly have done a good job of devising a test that will prove your hypothesis correct.

 

Now if all that lines up with my hypothesis then it is what it is. It's starting to sound like the cable proponents are getting a bit nervous.

 

No it's more like we're stunned to see someone so blissfully unaware of how powerful a grip their bias has on them.

 

 

 

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[witchdoctor]

I'm not devising anything to confirm what so ever. My hypothesis is that two ~ equal measure Ethernet cables aren't going to have a measurable difference instrumentation wise. I'm curious what what Rightmark will reveal. I'm also interested in capturing a song or three where part of the song plays with one cable and I swap out the cable during playback and seeing who here can tell me with in the +/- of the buffer size I setup in JRiver when the cable swap happened.

 

I'm most likely going to compare 3 meter expensive to ~30 meter off the spool and terminated by me CAT5e.

Now if all that lines up with my hypothesis then it is what it is. It's starting to sound like the cable proponents are getting a bit nervous.

You do what ever you want to with assorted fruit. Including trying to make an analogy with them.

 

I think you have gone "bananas" over ethernet cables. I recommend just enjoying the "fruit" of the equipment you own now and leave the audiophile cables to connoisseurs who know the difference between cable champagne and "sour grapes" (unless you already ordered the voodoo cables)

[plissken]

Well you certainly have done a good job of devising a test that will prove your hypothesis correct.

 

 

 

No it's more like we're stunned to see someone so blissfully unaware of how powerful a grip their bias has on them.

 

 

 

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I'll put money on my bias vs yours.

[kennyb123]

I'll put money on my bias vs yours.

 

An objective person would invite feedback on how they could make their tests more objective. A person who cares not about objectivity simply deflects, dodges and dissembles.

 

 

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[plissken]

An objective person would invite feedback on how they could make their tests more objective. A person who cares not about objectivity simply deflects, dodges and dissembles.

 

 

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And I have asked for just such that, in multiple posts, in this very thread. The protocol has to be public/transparent. It has to invite critical feedback that is addressing short comings.

 

It's welcome.

[witchdoctor]

And I have asked for just such that, in multiple posts, in this very thread. The protocol has to be public/transparent. It has to invite critical feedback that is addressing short comings.

It's welcome.

 

It's not welcome, you kicked me out of your thread in post 62 after I was polite in post 61.

No worries, just don't get flustered about cables. Use the zip cord or whatever and just enjoy whatever SQ you happen to get.

[witchdoctor]

Here is a thread more suited to your preferred style of posting IMO plissken, have at it. Plenty of doodads to measure.

 

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/group-test-universal-serial-bus-industry-standard-cables-connectors-and-communications-protocols-between-computers-and-electronic-devices-gadgets-aq-jitterbug-uptone-regen-ifi-iusb3-0-ipurifier-ipurifier2-intona-w4s-recovery-any-more-%85-31332/#post625574

[plissken]

It's not welcome, you kicked me out of your thread in post 62 after I was polite in post 61.

No worries, just don't get flustered about cables. Use the zip cord or whatever and just enjoy whatever SQ you happen to get.

 

I think part of the issue is your being selective about events. I simply asked:

 

"Since this is my thread I'll ask you to either find technical counter arguments and back them up or exit the thread. "

 

I'm not interested in your subjective observations. I'm interested in feedback that takes into consideration what I'm proposing and poking holes in it as a way to improve.

 

Since none is currently forthcoming could you please step out of the thread or provide some considered thought as to why my taking and doing some A to D is a problem? Studios that produce music perform A to D every day, all day long:

 

The kid on the drums is just gonzo. Check it out @ 4:30.

 

 

[plissken]

Here we go...

 

 

[witchdoctor]

I think part of the issue is your being selective about events. I simply asked:

 

"Since this is my thread I'll ask you to either find technical counter arguments and back them up or exit the thread. "

 

I'm not interested in your subjective observations. I'm interested in feedback that takes into consideration what I'm proposing and poking holes in it as a way to improve.

 

Since none is currently forthcoming could you please step out of the thread or provide some considered thought as to why my taking and doing some A to D is a problem? Studios that produce music perform A to D every day, all day long:

 

The kid on the drums is just gonzo. Check it out @ 4:30.

 

 

 

Great clip, kids do metal, gives me hope for future musicians

[witchdoctor]

Here we go...

 

[ATTACH=CONFIG]32823[/ATTACH]

 

[ATTACH=CONFIG]32824[/ATTACH]

Oh no, your going to plug in that cable, put that metal youtube video on 11, and blow up your system

[plissken]

316 feet vs 12 feet

 

[plissken]

Ping results

 

315 foot of off the spool, hand terminate $0.30/ft

 

12 foot WW at $27/ft

[witchdoctor]

Ping results

 

315 foot of off the spool, hand terminate $0.30/ft

[ATTACH=CONFIG]32860[/ATTACH]

 

12 foot WW at $27/ft

[ATTACH=CONFIG]32861[/ATTACH]

 

Is that it? This is the result of your test?

[plissken]

Is that it? This is the result of your test?

 

Did I say it was? I just finished wrestling 316 feet of UTP CAT5e into some semblance of manageability and did a few quick tests. Also both cables maintained equal data transmission rates.

 

This will take me a bit of time to put together. Interesting that the response time and throughput metrics are neck and neck so far.

 

The client machine is a ASRock QC5000 ITX mainboard with 8GB RAM and 120GB SSD. It's a $59 mainboard. The NIC is the previously mentioned HP Dual GB PCIe server adapter that I picked up for $18 shipped from Amazon.

[witchdoctor]

Did I say it was? I just finished wrestling 316 feet of UTP CAT5e into some semblance of manageability and did a few quick tests. Also both cables maintained equal data transmission rates.

This will take me a bit of time to put together. Interesting that the response time and throughput metrics are neck and neck so far.

The client machine is a ASRock QC5000 ITX mainboard with 8GB RAM and 120GB SSD. It's a $59 mainboard. The NIC is the previously mentioned HP Dual GB PCIe server adapter that I picked up for $18 shipped from Amazon.

 

Have fun! I really want a cable like that for my new Sony UHPH1. I plan on doing more steaming than playing actual discs. I am always pleasantly surprised when a cable elevates a midfi priced component to high end (and higher priced) one without having to upgrade. I think my Marantz 7702 would absolutely CRUSH its big brother the 8802 which costs double. All I did was add a nice power cord .

 

I know you like to measure so that id $4000- ($2000 + $120)= a saving of $1880 and better SQ to boot!

[plissken]

Have fun! I really want a cable like that for my new Sony UHPH1. I plan on doing more steaming than playing actual discs. I am always pleasantly surprised when a cable elevates a midfi priced component to high end (and higher priced) one without having to upgrade. I think my Marantz 7702 would absolutely CRUSH its big brother the 8802 which costs double. All I did was add a nice power cord .

 

I know you like to measure so that id $4000- ($2000 + $120)= a saving of $1880 and better SQ to boot!

 

I know you just typed a lot. But I don't know what you are saying.

[witchdoctor]

I know you just typed a lot. But I don't know what you are saying.

 

That's OK, everyone else understands.

Please remember to conduct a subjective unsighted listening test with someone other than yourself and post the results.

[r_w]

A good test with results that confirm your stance on the robustness of Ethernet.

 

What we should try to work out next is how the having actual cable connected affects the PC/Music Server's electronic circuitry (EMI, RFI, GND, loops, leakage, noise, other?), as that is IMHO going to be the why SQ is affected when people hear sonic differences with Ethernet cables.

 

 

Ping results

 

315 foot of off the spool, hand terminate $0.30/ft

[ATTACH=CONFIG]32860[/ATTACH]

 

12 foot WW at $27/ft

[ATTACH=CONFIG]32861[/ATTACH]

[YashN]

What we should try to work out next is how the having actual cable connected affects the PC/Music Server's electronic circuitry (EMI, RFI, GND, loops, leakage, noise, other?), as that is IMHO going to be the why SQ is affected when people hear sonic differences with Ethernet cables.

This is exactly it.

 

However, people with a little knowledge see everything digital as bits and are satisfied with bitperfection.

 

The domain, however, is largely an Electrical problem.

 

It is a waste of time to try and convince the 'bits are bits' people. Some of them can't overcome the cognitive dissonance they would inevitably undergo if they did really simple tests.

[r_w]

If 'they' think about it, it's actually a very different debate.

 

I accept the 'bit are bits' point of view and the robustness of Ethernet, but those bits have to travel over connections and it's those connections that are IMHO & IME the predominant SQ influencer.

 

It's not so much the travelling bits (if they arrive bit prefect) but the fact that two or more devices are being electrically coupled and thus influence each other and in addition extend the system-wide electrical / gnd network.

 

I expect someone clever on here will be able to show a graph of an Ethernet cable connected vs unplugged with some measurable noise, interference or other variation between the two?

 

I would very much like to see that as it would help us (all) better understand the problem and how to negate it.

 

 

;-)

 

 

 

This is exactly it.

 

However, people with a little knowledge see everything digital as bits and are satisfied with bitperfection.

 

The domain, however, is largely an Electrical problem.

 

It is a waste of time to try and convince the 'bits are bits' people. Some of them can't overcome the cognitive dissonance they would inevitably undergo if they did really simple tests.

[witchdoctor]

I like having data but look how difficult this is. You got one guy acting as a quasi scientist and a bunch of other guys kibbitzing. Do you realize these cables generally come with a 30 day return policy and you just plug it in, listen, and see if you like it?

Plissken, that unsighted subjective listening test requires little effort and two ears and a brain are excellent scientific instruments.

[witchdoctor]

Plissken the problem you have is you conducted your test AFTER stating your prejudice. This is an attempt to prove you are right rather than an actual quest for truth. I can't imagine (ever) you publishing anything that contradicts your deep seated fears (however logical) about digital cables. However there is still a possibility you may find a way so I am not ready to give up on this thread yet. If you still want to do a recording try posting an A/B comaprison video to yourtube.